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From: fusion94 <fus...@fu...> - 2004-06-24 21:05:23
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Jim, Sorry about the problem you're having.....I'm currently in the process of moving from San Francisco to Dallas atm. I should have my firewire drives unpacked at some point tomorrow and can get you whatever I have. -t On Jun 24, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Jim Witte wrote: > Hello, > > When I tried to open the binary package installer (which was listed > as only *2* K by sourceforge) for Space 0.85, it said it couldn't find > the Bill of Materials. I looked at the package, and there was nothing > there. Is there a correct binary somewhere. If I open the source > project up in xCode 1.1, it says 'icon-new-128.psd' is missing, and > when I try to build, it stops almost immediately with 1 error, but > won't tell me what it is (Errors&Warnings pane is empty) > > Any ideas? > > Jim Witte > js...@bl... > Indiana University CS > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital > self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched > networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > _______________________________________________ > Space-app mailing list > Spa...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/space-app |
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From: Jim W. <js...@bl...> - 2004-06-24 20:30:53
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Hello, When I tried to open the binary package installer (which was listed as only *2* K by sourceforge) for Space 0.85, it said it couldn't find the Bill of Materials. I looked at the package, and there was nothing there. Is there a correct binary somewhere. If I open the source project up in xCode 1.1, it says 'icon-new-128.psd' is missing, and when I try to build, it stops almost immediately with 1 error, but won't tell me what it is (Errors&Warnings pane is empty) Any ideas? Jim Witte js...@bl... Indiana University CS |
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From: Riley L. <ri...@co...> - 2002-08-30 22:21:23
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I saw a graffito yesterday: "Make God laugh -- tell him your plans." So it is that I am writing to you, Jaguar has been released, and the repository for CVS is still not available. That is the bad news. Here is the good news: Space.app seems to work under Jaguar. A couple of people mailed me to let me know that the hiding and showing of applications may be a little slower, but that is the only new problem I am aware of. (One of the writers qualified this problem -- he said that Mail.app may be the only application that has really slowed down.) Regarding the CVS repository, and consequently the next release: I almost have it ready to go. This has involved integrating Morgan Aldridge's improvements to the palette, Gregory Seidman's Applescript support and Ishioka Hiroshi's localization code and Japanese translations with a few bug fixes of my own and support for hotkey-per-workspace with some help from Bruce Jacobs. Still to be integrated is Clemens Benden's screen capture code. It needs another solid couple of days of work. As usual, I am terribly distracted, which is why it has not gotten the work that it needs yet. I appreciate everybody working to keep this project alive, and I am sorry to be the bottleneck. Once the repository is in place, I will be able to remove myself as an obstacle. Thank you for your continuing support and your patience. --Riley |
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From: Clemens B. <cb...@ma...> - 2002-08-30 17:32:10
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On Thursday, Aug 29, 2002, at 03:54PM, Gregory Seidman <gse...@us...> wrote: >Great to hear. Um, how are we coming with CVS? I'd really like to add the >AppleScript support I wrote. I'm interested too. If we can help, drop a note ... Clemens |
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From: Gregory S. <gse...@us...> - 2002-08-29 13:54:47
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Tony Guntharp sez: } Well there hasn't been any comments as of late. } } Just thought I'd let ppl know that Space works well under Jaguar. Great to hear. Um, how are we coming with CVS? I'd really like to add the AppleScript support I wrote. } -t --Greg |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-08-29 13:37:29
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Well there hasn't been any comments as of late. Just thought I'd let ppl know that Space works well under Jaguar. -t -- Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Gregory S. <gse...@us...> - 2002-07-30 15:48:28
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Clemens Benden sez: } On Monday, Jul 29, 2002, at 02:06PM, Morgan Aldridge } <mo...@ma...> wrote: } } >heavy modifications to my copy (the modified palette window, showing } >application icons in the space buttons in the palette window, storing } } I think, before we can do heavy changes, we should first setup the cvs. } This macs new changes transparent for everyone. Any information on when CVS will be available? I am anxious to get the work I have already done into the program. It is almost entirely orthogonal to what is already there. } >I think that the first of my features (except for the modified palette } >window, which I believe Riley has already implemented) which I feel } >should be implemented is remembering applications' spaces. } } The biggest issue we have, with the palette window, is a virtualization } of every desktop. A snapshot is nice but you can't do any special with } the image. If we want a drag&drop of windows or simply move then between } spaces, we must have different objects in each mini window... :) I actually really like the way VirtualDesktop does this. We have the code for VirtualDesktop released under Space's license. Let's just grab it. [...] } > If so I can describe my observations relating to the functionality of } > the Space and SpaceProcess classes. } } Well, of couse, that must not stop any discussion. I think, space.app is } now visible to some users. I has some bugs, but it is usable *NOW*, if we } fix some issues and introduce some new functions, the next version could } increase the public demand. We should organize our development efforts } before :-) I am interested in the discussion of these classes. I never delved deeply into them to add scripting. Please describe them as they are and as they should be. } Clemens --Greg |
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From: <cle...@ya...> - 2002-07-30 06:12:57
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Upps, sorry, I copied the cc into the subject :) (those things happens always before the first cup of coffee...) Clemens __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de |
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From: <cle...@ya...> - 2002-07-30 05:29:02
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On Monday, Jul 29, 2002, at 02:06PM, Morgan Aldridge <mo...@ma...> wrote: >heavy modifications to my copy (the modified palette window, showing >application icons in the space buttons in the palette window, storing I think, before we can do heavy changes, we should first setup the cvs. This macs new changes transparent for everyone. When then have a base for discussion. > I think that the first of my features (except for the modified >palette window, which I believe Riley has already implemented) which I >feel should be implemented is remembering applications' spaces. The biggest issue we have, with the palette window, is a virtualization of every desktop. A snapshot is nice but you can't do any special with the image. If we want a drag&drop of windows or simply move then between spaces, we must have different objects in each mini window... :) >implementation. Does that sound like a good starting point to the rest >of you who would be working on the code? I currently stopped, I just have sent Riley some modifications but ( Hi Riley! I will commit these changes, when we have cvs) but as long as we have no equal codebase (eg. cvs) I fear that some work is done twice or that we quickly introduce bugs, because every developer has its own codebase and when he implements something new, it might function on his version, but when commited to the "official" codebase, strange things can happen. > If so I can describe my observations relating to the functionality > of the Space and SpaceProcess classes. Well, of couse, that must not stop any discussion. I think, space.app is now visible to some users. I has some bugs, but it is usable *NOW*, if we fix some issues and introduce some new functions, the next version could increase the public demand. We should organize our development efforts before :-) Clemens __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de |
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From: Morgan A. <mo...@ma...> - 2002-07-29 12:07:05
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Sorry, I've been really busy lately and haven't gotten to even look
at my copy of Space.app in a long time. Now, I had made some fairly
heavy modifications to my copy (the modified palette window, showing
application icons in the space buttons in the palette window, storing
preferred spaces for apps, etc.) but it was such a mess (as I have
explained to Riley) that I'm really hesitant to use it for more than
just a proof-of-concept.
One of the things I ran into that was a major issue with my
modifications was that I had to do strange hacks to get the
functionality I wanted out of the Space and SpaceProcess classes. I
know atleast one of the major bugs to date (switching spaces too quickly
can move apps to different spaces if they weren't finished
showing/hiding in time) is caused by the current implementations.
I think that the first of my features (except for the modified
palette window, which I believe Riley has already implemented) which I
feel should be implemented is remembering applications' spaces. In
order to implement this, future features, and also to fix the
space-switching bug, I propose that we discuss the current architecture
of the Space and SpaceProcess classes, what really needs to be changed,
what should be kept, and devise a plan of action for reworking them
(whether that means only minor modifications or a large overhaul) and
getting the new versions integrated with the current Space.app
implementation. Does that sound like a good starting point to the rest
of you who would be working on the code? If so I can describe my
observations relating to the functionality of the Space and SpaceProcess
classes.
Morgan Aldridge
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From: Gregory S. <gse...@us...> - 2002-07-24 22:39:53
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Riley Lynch sez: } I spoke to Roger O'Brien on the telephone today. He told me that the } source code to "Virtual Desktops" is now available on his website, and } that the application has been re-released under the QPL. I'm on a slow } connection, so I haven't had a chance to check things out, but I believe } that the problem may be resolved. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back I'll download it. I actually tried it out before I decided on using (and modifying) Space. There is a lot of code there which could be very useful for us, especially the desktop visualizer. } --Riley --Greg |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-24 20:03:49
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On 7/24/02 12:57 PM, "Riley Lynch" <ri...@co...> wrote: All true so far, downloading the source now. Sorry about no web updates but I took off for a Vegas for a couple of days to hookup with the MySQL founders. -t -- Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Riley L. <ri...@co...> - 2002-07-24 19:59:03
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I spoke to Roger O'Brien on the telephone today. He told me that the source code to "Virtual Desktops" is now available on his website, and that the application has been re-released under the QPL. I'm on a slow connection, so I haven't had a chance to check things out, but I believe that the problem may be resolved. http://www.cocoaserver.com --Riley |
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From: <cle...@ya...> - 2002-07-22 08:42:09
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--- Riley Lynch <ri...@co...> schrieb: Well, that is the old problem and it is very hard to get arround it. There will be always some people who are going the easy way by make someone others work there own and try to make some money of it. From my expierence, the best is, to put the case to the public and be polite (the people should see, who is the good guy). I've seen many cases where those people had at the (final) end not advantage because you can't sell something which is free or was free at least. But do not put not too much time in that, that is contra productive, and if he needs our code, that there are chances, that he is getting our bugs (if there are any ;-) And those people have very strange ideas about open source... Discussion with them is often only waste of time. Be sure, that he will now change the name of the classes and that will solve the problem (from his point of view). We can make that public on our website, I think those who had payed for the software should do the dirty work :-> Clemens __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de |
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From: Riley L. <ri...@co...> - 2002-07-22 08:04:18
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I've discovered that someone is breaking the license to Space.app and I'd like your advice. There is a program called "Virtual Desktops" (NOT the same as "Codetek Virtual Desktops") which has "borrowed" substantial code from Space.app. The source of the program is not available (it's a closed-source shareware program), but an examination of binary with class-dump and otool indicates that the "Space" and "SpaceProcess" class have been incorporated with only slight modifications. Here is a sample: http://www.codeclever.com/separated.html I confronted the author (Roger O'Brien, aka "whitesaint") via email. He initially denied that he had taken anything from Space.app, but after I showed him the "Separated" page he admitted that he did and he pleaded with me not to "put [him] in jail". (He is a teenager.) I explained to him the steps I saw as necessary to bring "Virtual Desktops" into compliance with the QPL, to wit: - The present version of "Virtual Desktops" should be re-released under an Open Source (i.e. satisfying 6a and 6b) license. - A copy of the QPL, any additional license, and a notice about the availability of the source code should be added to the binary distribution. - A distribution of the source code should be prepared including the QPL license and any additional license. - The modified classes from Space.app should have their original copyright notice intact and should be commented in some way to indicate that they have been altered from the originals. He agreed that he would do it within 2 weeks (on July 12), but then he stopped responding to emails. I also asked him to cease distributing the license-breaking binaries, but he has not acknowledged this request and the program is still available from his web site: http://www.cocoaserver.com (Use Internet Explorer for this site -- OmniWeb and Chimera, or at least the versions that I am using, don't display it correctly.) I think I made a mistake in dealing with Roger: I felt sorry for him and I told him that I had never heard of anyone going to jail for breaking an Open Source license. I didn't want him to be scared. I haven't heard from him since. Yes, I understand that I am a total sucker. I sentence myself to loading Oingo Boingo's "Only a Lad" (a song satirizing lenient juvenile justice) into iTunes and playing it on repeat until I am no longer disturbed by its endorsement of capital punishment. But really -- my question for you is: What is to be done? I feel like I would be setting a bad example if I let the license be infringed like this. Even if it is "Only a Lad". Thanks for your help, Riley Lynch |
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From: Tony A. <ton...@ma...> - 2002-07-18 13:55:26
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On Thursday, Jul 18, 2002, at 16:07 Australia/Sydney, Tony Guntharp wrote: > I'm going to continue to build out the site with this design as it > looks > good in everything I've tested it under and it's not terribly > difficult to > work with. > > Thoughts ? > Can we work toward XHTML-1.0-transitional and CSS2 compliance? Not terribly difficult (about an hours work max for a design like this), and a good move in terms of cross-browser compatability. I've got a heck of a lot of experience doing this, so I'm happy to step in... Personally, I would have liked to see something like http://www.panic.com/desktastic/ but Tony's site is pretty nice too :) // Tony Arnold |
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From: <cle...@ya...> - 2002-07-18 10:35:16
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--- Tony Guntharp <fus...@is...> schrieb: > New version at http://fusion94.org/space/ > Feedback appreciated Great design :-) Will the "function bar" get any functionality? I looked on it with Win95 an IE 4.0, so that's maybe not a supported configuration ... The only thing, which I didn't like, is the "optimized for IE 5.2" because I'm using OmniWeb and reading that, often implies, that I will loose functionality when viewing with OW :) But I try it this evening with OW ... Clemens __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-18 06:07:24
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All, Thanks to everyone that=B9s provided feedback so far. I think I finally have something to build off of. Please take a look at http://fusion94.org/space/space3/ and provide feedback. I'm going to continue to build out the site with this design as it looks good in everything I've tested it under and it's not terribly difficult to work with. Thoughts ? -t --=20 Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Ken E. <cle...@ea...> - 2002-07-18 04:49:55
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Looks consistent also on Netscape 7PR1 and iCab 2.8, And it works in lynx 2.8.4rel.1 and links 0.96. :-} Ken On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 10:13 AM, Tony Guntharp wrote: > New version at http://fusion94.org/space/ > > Still got one artifact left that I need to fix. It now looks proper on IE > under windows, IE for Mac, Opera for Mac, and Mozilla for Mac > > Feedback appreciated > > -t > -- > Tony Guntharp > Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc > (p) 415-637-6895 > (e) fus...@is... > http://www.isquare.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Space-app mailing list > Spa...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/space-app > |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-17 17:14:01
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New version at http://fusion94.org/space/ Still got one artifact left that I need to fix. It now looks proper on IE under windows, IE for Mac, Opera for Mac, and Mozilla for Mac Feedback appreciated -t -- Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-17 07:04:20
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Bah, it's late, bad url Try http://fusion94.org/space/ Thanks -t -- Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-17 07:03:22
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All, So after discussing a bit with Riley I've been dealing with a new site. Go take a look at http://fusion94.org and let me know what you think. If you're looking at it on the Mac it has issues. If you have access to a windows box take a look at it there. I know that the content boxes on the right have severe issues atm but that's an image thing that will be corrected in the next 24 hours. Just let the list know if it's an improvement and provide feedback. Thanks -t -- Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
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From: Riley L. <ri...@co...> - 2002-07-16 16:12:06
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Tony wrote: > One other thing about cvswrappers, have you seen this SF document where > it > talks about using cvswrappers on SF ? > > http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1 > Great find. So cvswrappers is supported, but the -t and -f flags in cvswrappers are not. This is the message that I got when I tried to add those flags to the project: cvs [server aborted]: -t/-f wrappers not supported by this version of CVS We can use the supported functionality of cvswrappers to automatically add the binary flags to the .nib files, .icns files and so on. --Riley |
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From: Morgan T A. <mo...@WP...> - 2002-07-16 14:03:00
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I definitely like this second one, very nice :) Now, I like the way it looks now, but I keep wondering what it would look like with either a small application icon in each sphere, or a small screenshot in each. Probably won't look right, but thought I'd throw the idea out there in case you wanted to try a mockup if it sounded interesting. =09Morgan On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Tony Guntharp wrote: > All, > Here's version 2, still don=B9t finished yet. > Feedback appreciated on both. > > -t > -- > Tony Guntharp > Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc > (p) 415-637-6895 > (e) fus...@is... > http://www.isquare.org > > > |
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From: Tony G. <fus...@is...> - 2002-07-15 21:11:02
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All, Here's version 2, still don=B9t finished yet. Feedback appreciated on both. -t --=20 Tony Guntharp Founder/CTO - Isquare, Inc (p) 415-637-6895 (e) fus...@is... http://www.isquare.org |
