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From: John S. <fra...@th...> - 2005-01-28 23:01:54
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Jiaxiang wrote: >It would be awesome if you would begin to maintain Sodipodi. > > Thanks! It looks like that's what I'm gonna do. Not this weekend, though--I'm >And if you begin to do so and are ever looking for testers, I volunteer! > Thanks! One thing I'm going to need help with is making sure Sodipodi keeps building on Windows (which, in my case, I have not got). At a minimum, if somebody here can keep compiling it for me, and let me know when the build is broken on Windows, then, Jiaxiang, you can let me know when something breaks at runtime. -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | |Francois Thibault |============================================| |East Kingdom |If we don't believe in freedom of expression| |fr...@th...|for people we despise, we don't believe in | | |it at all. -- Noam Chomsky | \=================================================================/ My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ |
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From: John S. <fra...@th...> - 2005-01-28 22:49:19
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John Stracke wrote: >On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 17:21, Lauris Kaplinski wrote: > > >>I can add you the admins of the project. >> >> > >I'd be interested in doing that. > ...and now I see that you've added me to the admins. Thanks! -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | |Francois Thibault |============================================| |East Kingdom |If we don't believe in freedom of expression| |fr...@th...|for people we despise, we don't believe in | | |it at all. -- Noam Chomsky | \=================================================================/ My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ |
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From: Lauris K. <la...@ka...> - 2005-01-28 14:02:50
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Hello! What is you sf username? Can you do web design? Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > -----Original Message----- > From: sod...@li... > [mailto:sod...@li...] On Behalf > Of Jiaxiang > Sent: 22. jaanuar 2005. a. 7:10 > To: sod...@li... > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] Re: Sodipodi = dead? > > John, > > It would be awesome if you would begin to maintain Sodipodi. > > And if you begin to do so and are ever looking for testers, I > volunteer! (I use Sodipodi almost daily under real-work conditions.) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive > Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop > reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. > Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. > Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list > > |
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From: Lauris K. <la...@ka...> - 2005-01-28 14:01:45
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Hello! > -----Original Message----- > > go on maintaining it, tell me. I can add you the admins of > the project. > > I'd be interested in doing that. OK, put you into admins. Do you have write perimissions to GNOME CVS (where sodipodi tree is hosted)? > > Some directions: > > Porting to C++ is OK > > That one hadn't occurred to me--I seem to remember hearing > the Inkscape fork went in that direction, but I don't know why. Heh :) Sodipodi document tree is quite complex. C++ could make it a bit easier to understand, especially if new people are wanted. Disclaimer - IMHO GObject system is really nice and all, but it really sucks for lightweight objects and deep or complex inheritance trees, where proper C++ classes would make life much easier. Good old C needs some very serious self-discipline, that is easy to orget, if one dives into already present object hierarchis. > I like C++ well enough; but I don't consider it a silver > bullet, so I've got no particular urge to graft it onto an > existing, functioning codebase. Agree :) > > libnr and cousins should remain totally free (not LGPL) > > I can respect that. I mean, since you've already put them in > the public domain, there's no way to stop someone from > releasing a derivative version under whatever license they > like; but I can promise not to do that myself. Well - one can do whatever he wants with these - in other repositories. I am only interested in keeping the code inside sodipodi tree PD - as it will serve as 'master repository' for these projects. > > Moving internals > > away from SVG/DOM is OK > > Personally, I don't have a problem (yet ;-) with having DOM > internals--especially since I want a scripting interface. I > started with Python, but it'd be nice to expose a > language-neutral interface (like the GIMP has), and the DOM > could offer a pretty clean way to do that. Yeah - but DOM is complex 8-| Anyway, good luck! P.S. some technicalities: - feel free to make releases (yes, I was pissed off once about that, but there were real reasons) - you can remove the donation link, and move sodipodi homepage back to sf. You can the contact me, and I'll redirect www.sodipodi.com to it. - I'll make you sodipodi list moderator (the work is mostly discarding spam) - Feel free to ask techincal stuff Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2005-01-22 05:11:20
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John, It would be awesome if you would begin to maintain Sodipodi. And if you begin to do so and are ever looking for testers, I volunteer! (I use Sodipodi almost daily under real-work conditions.) |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2005-01-22 05:06:35
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Well, it's great to actually here from you, Lauris. Sadly, I know nothing about programming. Otherwise I would have taken you up on your offer. I'm just a user who really, really enjoys Sodipodi over its alternatives. And it runs pretty stable in its unstable release condition on both my Windows and Linux machines. (Except when adding gradients to text and a few other things.) |
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From: John S. <fra...@th...> - 2005-01-22 01:13:09
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On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 17:21, Lauris Kaplinski wrote: > I have shelved sodipodi for now due to the lack of time and ideas. > It may be resurrected, still - if you or anybody here thinks they can go on > maintaining it, tell me. I can add you the admins of the project. I'd be interested in doing that. > Some directions: > Porting to C++ is OK That one hadn't occurred to me--I seem to remember hearing the Inkscape fork went in that direction, but I don't know why. I like C++ well enough; but I don't consider it a silver bullet, so I've got no particular urge to graft it onto an existing, functioning codebase. > libnr and cousins should remain totally free (not LGPL) I can respect that. I mean, since you've already put them in the public domain, there's no way to stop someone from releasing a derivative version under whatever license they like; but I can promise not to do that myself. > Moving internals > away from SVG/DOM is OK Personally, I don't have a problem (yet ;-) with having DOM internals--especially since I want a scripting interface. I started with Python, but it'd be nice to expose a language-neutral interface (like the GIMP has), and the DOM could offer a pretty clean way to do that. /==============================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | |Francois Thibault |=========================================| |East Kingdom |The good are innocent and create justice.| |fr...@th...|The bad are guilty, and invent mercy. | \==============================================================/ My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ |
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From: Lauris K. <la...@ka...> - 2005-01-21 22:22:04
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Hello! I have shelved sodipodi for now due to the lack of time and ideas. It may be resurrected, still - if you or anybody here thinks they can go on maintaining it, tell me. I can add you the admins of the project. Some directions: Porting to C++ is OK libnr and cousins should remain totally free (not LGPL) Moving internals away from SVG/DOM is OK Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > -----Original Message----- > From: sod...@li... > [mailto:sod...@li...] On Behalf > Of Jiaxiang > Sent: 20. jaanuar 2005. a. 14:57 > To: sod...@li... > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] Sodipodi = dead? > > Has Sodipodi died? > > If so, I refuse to bury it. > > Any chance of a resurrection? Does anybody know? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive > Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop > reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. > Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. > Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list > > |
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From: Masatake Y. <je...@gy...> - 2005-01-21 05:02:06
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> >You do not think it is worth publishing? > > > I do not wish to spend my time maintaining it as a patch, having to > update it every time something changes in the main codebase--especially > for a program that appears to be dying on the vine. If we get a real > resurrection, then I might consider it. gnuarch and CVS->gnuarch mirror tool are for you. |
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From: Ralf S. <ra...@ar...> - 2005-01-20 17:30:09
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> I do not wish to spend my time maintaining it as a patch, having to > update it every time something changes in the main codebase--especially > for a program that appears to be dying on the vine. If we get a real > resurrection, then I might consider it. Well---Just say it is for version xy and deny any maintenance... Heh, I mean, effectively, Lauris does that too. ralf |
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From: John S. <fra...@th...> - 2005-01-20 16:57:13
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Ralf Stephan wrote: >>spent weeks developing a major piece of functionality (Python >>scripting); >> >I did not find it on your web page, at first glance. > > I posted it to this list at the time. >You do not think it is worth publishing? > I do not wish to spend my time maintaining it as a patch, having to update it every time something changes in the main codebase--especially for a program that appears to be dying on the vine. If we get a real resurrection, then I might consider it. -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | |Francois Thibault |============================================| |East Kingdom |If we don't believe in freedom of expression| |fr...@th...|for people we despise, we don't believe in | | |it at all. -- Noam Chomsky | \=================================================================/ My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ |
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From: Ralf S. <ra...@ar...> - 2005-01-20 16:45:08
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> spent weeks developing a major piece of functionality (Python > scripting); when I posted my work, people were interested in using it, > but Lauris never responded, and so my time was just wasted. I did not find it on your web page, at first glance. You do not think it is worth publishing? ralf |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2005-01-20 16:26:40
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That's terrible John. I'm sorry to hear about that. Inkscape? Yes, it's a great application that is updated often. I use Inkscape sometimes, but only for certain tasks. I've been captivated by the Sodipodi interface; were we to describe it like a human relationship, it's like a good Wife that I just can't leave. :D Oh, great news! Inkscape developers are going to try to make their interface very customizable to please a broad range of users. I don't want Sodipodi to die... |
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From: Michael S. <sch...@gm...> - 2005-01-20 16:19:34
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> Jiaxiang wrote: > > >Any chance of a resurrection? Does anybody know? > > > Unless Lauris opens up the repository for other people to commit, the > only reliable form of resurrection available is a fork--that's where > Inkscape came from. There are other people with write access to the repository - me, for example. I'm working on Win32, though, and the latest changes made it impossible to build it on this platform. Additionally, I dislike some of the parts of Sodipodi that make it run on other platforms - there's too much special casing here and there... thus I'm not really motivated to contribute anymore. In my opinion, working on Inkscape (and maybe trying to fix their idea of a usable GUI ;) is more feasible. Michael -- 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ |
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From: John S. <fra...@th...> - 2005-01-20 15:30:48
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Jiaxiang wrote: >Any chance of a resurrection? Does anybody know? > Unless Lauris opens up the repository for other people to commit, the only reliable form of resurrection available is a fork--that's where Inkscape came from. We might get some movement if Lauris comes back to work on it, but I, for one, would have to think hard about whether to invest my time in a project that might die off without notice again. I spent weeks developing a major piece of functionality (Python scripting); when I posted my work, people were interested in using it, but Lauris never responded, and so my time was just wasted. -- /=================================================================\ |John Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |HTML OK | |Francois Thibault |============================================| |East Kingdom |If we don't believe in freedom of expression| |fr...@th...|for people we despise, we don't believe in | | |it at all. -- Noam Chomsky | \=================================================================/ My medieval art for sale: http://www.thibault.org/store/ |
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From: Daniel H. <du...@st...> - 2005-01-20 14:51:45
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Jiaxiang wrote: > Has Sodipodi died? > > If so, I refuse to bury it. > > Any chance of a resurrection? Does anybody know? I certainly wouldn't hope for it to die. It's by far the best Open Source vector drawing program I know. |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2005-01-20 12:57:08
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Has Sodipodi died? If so, I refuse to bury it. Any chance of a resurrection? Does anybody know? |
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From: <org...@hy...> - 2004-12-21 15:47:07
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Lay-dees and gently-types,
I have been using sodippodi for a very long time, and love it, I do, yes.
However, there is one thing that actually makes it very difficult for me to use. My eyes are very sensitive to light. I have my fluxbox all themed out nice and dark. But the outer regions of sodipodi-space remain dazzling, blinding, almost too bright to use WHITE. I see in the dialogs that I can change the background colour to any colour I want, but that is just the "chewy center" that gets changed. What about the nether regions? The outer limits? So as to not waste list bandwidth with attackmints, I do it this way:
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|spodi|
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|% | $| | |
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|> | <| | | | |
---+--- | | !|!|!|! | |
|# | O| | | \\,-----,// | |
---+--- | | / \ | |
|X | V| | | ( O O ) | |
---+--- | | { < } | |
|= |}{| | | d b | |
---+--- | | { O } | |
|[]|][| | | \ / | |
---+--- | | ``-_____-'' | |
|/ | ~| | | | |
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| but this part out here is way too |
| honking bright!!!! |
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Am I just missing the setting, or can this be added somehow?
Else, text-along-a-path and text-boxes-that-reformat-when-resized would be very, very nice features.
It's a rockin' fine app.
To all those who celebrate such soon, I wish you would have a fine holy-day time.
--gcr
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From: Pat S. <pa...@su...> - 2004-12-14 04:32:19
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Jeshua Lacock wrote: > We are currently developing documentation for SodiPodi that we will make > available to the community when it is finished. It is more of an > overview than in-depth documentation, but it should be a good start. > > We have discovered a few options that we cannot adequately give an > explanation for, and we would be grateful for any help or hints with any > of the following questions. > > 1. How does the transformation matrix work in the "Item Properties"; > specifically what do the six values for the "Transformation Matrix" do? This is best done if you try playing with the parameters yourself. It X-Y size, X-Y skew, and X-Y position. > 2. What does the "Sensitive" option do in the "Item Properties"? This locks and unlocks the object to the sheet of paper. > 3. The "Visible" checkbox is grayed out for all of my objects in the > "Item Properties". Can anyone please explain how to use this feature? This was meant to show and hide the object. > 4. "Show Guides" is grayed out in the "Desktop Settings". Can anyone > please explain how to use this feature? Doesn't look like this works. It must be a placeholder for toggling visibility of guidelines. > 5. What does the "Object transformation", "Optimize" or "Preserve" > options in the "Tool Options" for the selection tool do? I'm not sure about this one. I'm guessing it deals with the finer points of how the transformation of objects are stored in the XML format. I would guess that preserve preserves all of the operations (for example if an object is resized twice) and optimize would simplify that example to one resize. Just a guess though. > 6. What does the "[Tab] Cycling" in the tool options for the selection > tool do? How would one use it? It modifies how the Tab key behaves when used in the main window. Tab goes to the next item in the stack of items, and this modifies how that behaves. > 7. How does the value for "Default cursor tolerance" effect the cursor > in the "Desktop Settings" do? Don't know exactly. I recall this having something to do with tablets. > 8. What does the "Skip taskbar entry for dialogs" option in the "Desktop > Settings" do? It makes the various dialogs you open not show up in the window manager's task list. --Pat |
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From: Jeshua L. <jeshua@OpenOSX.com> - 2004-12-14 04:04:36
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Greetings, We are currently developing documentation for SodiPodi that we will make available to the community when it is finished. It is more of an overview than in-depth documentation, but it should be a good start. We have discovered a few options that we cannot adequately give an explanation for, and we would be grateful for any help or hints with any of the following questions. 1. How does the transformation matrix work in the "Item Properties"; specifically what do the six values for the "Transformation Matrix" do? 2. What does the "Sensitive" option do in the "Item Properties"? 3. The "Visible" checkbox is grayed out for all of my objects in the "Item Properties". Can anyone please explain how to use this feature? 4. "Show Guides" is grayed out in the "Desktop Settings". Can anyone please explain how to use this feature? 5. What does the "Object transformation", "Optimize" or "Preserve" options in the "Tool Options" for the selection tool do? 6. What does the "[Tab] Cycling" in the tool options for the selection tool do? How would one use it? 7. How does the value for "Default cursor tolerance" effect the cursor in the "Desktop Settings" do? 8. What does the "Skip taskbar entry for dialogs" option in the "Desktop Settings" do? Thanks, Jeshua Lacock __________________________ Programmer/Owner Phone: 877.240.1364 http://OpenOSX.com Fax: 415.462.6211 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ |
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From: miriam c. (iriXx) <ir...@ir...> - 2004-11-29 01:24:50
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I would be very interested to test, as i have both applications. Allow me to introduce myself - I'm new here, and although not able to contribute as a coder, I'm very interested in testing from a professional graphic designer's point of view. I'd like to encourage more designers to use GNU/Linux, and to encourage development of applications to a professional standard. I also wondered exactly what your aims and purposes are for Sodipodi? At present I'm writing a round-up of graphics applications for Linux User and Developer magazine, and wondered what your intentions are for Sodipodi and its functionality in a professional graphic design world. To be honest, I'm a little perplexed myself as very few designers use pure vector graphics thesedays... best regards, Miriam. Jiaxiang wrote: >For future reference: > >Although I rarely use Inkscape (though it has more features than Sodipodi and >it's also a great program), I noticed it does have an option to save a file in >Adobe Illustrator format. > >(Note: I'm not sure how well it saves into that format because I don't have >Illustrator to check.) > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. >Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. >http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Sodipodi-list mailing list >Sod...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list > > > > -- 99% of aliens prefer Earth --Eminem www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2004-11-22 03:35:15
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For future reference: Although I rarely use Inkscape (though it has more features than Sodipodi and it's also a great program), I noticed it does have an option to save a file in Adobe Illustrator format. (Note: I'm not sure how well it saves into that format because I don't have Illustrator to check.) |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2004-11-08 16:14:19
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Good day, Shade. Try copying the image to the clipboard and then pasting it into AI. (Happily, though trained and fluent in several versions of many of their products, I don't own, support or use any Adobe products [aside from Reader so I'm not sure it'll work.) I could be wrong, but can't you just break apart/ungroup the image elements once it's imported through the method you mentioned and then edit it from there? If no of these help you, sorry. If these techniques work, please let us know. -Jiaxiang |
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From: Shade / N. J. <sl...@co...> - 2004-11-08 04:03:17
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Hello all, I created an image in Sodipodi and saved it as a standard SVG file. When I opened it in Illustrator 9.0, the XML appears instead of the image. I ran across another post where someone turned their sodipodi objects into paths, saved the SVG file, and opened it successfully in Illustrator. That's fine if you don't need to edit the image, but how can I open the file in Illustrator and still modify the objects? Thank you for your help. Respectfully | SLJ |
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From: Jiaxiang <jwa...@ya...> - 2004-10-24 13:56:52
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Well, I can understand the frustration. But Lauris has already sacrificed a lot of time and energy to make Sodipodi (with contributions from other people). You probably know that programming simple things takes a lot of time and patience - how much more time and patience is needed to make a program like Sodipodi! Also, more importantly, Life is such a complex thing; who knows what might be happening in his own Life right now... I, too, hope that Lauris returns after a few months break to crank out a nice update for Sodipodi. :) By the way, I did my entire web site (in Mandarin and English) using artwork that I created in Sodipodi: www.symbols.124.us (English) http://apol-mp.com.tw/~joshuantaiwan_apol-mp/symbols_tw.html (Chinese) (Images exported as PNGs. Note: Sodipodi handles Asian text great - even better than the GIMP.) |
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