SnapRAID Suggestion

[Vladimir]

Hello, some suggestion for furner development.

Automatic data transfer and utilization of disks.

We have some small software raid in system, name it TempStorage (Storage Spaces Mirror or whatever).

We Have Folder on Storage named Import or something like that.

We configure SnapRAID to handle this folder, respect folder hierarchy.

Copy data from import folder to disks respect hierarchy on source > sync > compare Source / Files On Disks > remove files from source.

Benefits.
Utilize disks with not need to manage remaining space.
Automatic files placement.
If We have folder Movies on Import and same folder on one of disk and free space on disk, copy files from same source to this folder firs. If we not have source folder on disks or not have free space, move files to to disk with more free space.

[David]

That's not what SR does. I understand you're suggesting it, but that isn't in SR's philosophy. You can use something like DrivePool that will do exactly that and SR will handle the parity.

[Vladimir]

Hello David, DrivePool its additional product, and i'm not trust to this product.
Suggested feature, easy to implement, but huge step to automate routine tasks, and rise file protection level on data transfer step.

[David]

It may sound easy, but "easy to implement" never is. What I understand you want is "You copy data to a folder and SR distributes that data automatically," right? That sounds like unRAID. That requires much more than I think you understand. SR would have to continually run to monitor that folder. Then SR would have to intelligently move and verify the data to any drive (you did mention if a drive was full then move it to a drive with more space) and be aware of drive capacities. SR would have to automatically sync either by a trigger or schedule. I don't want to speak for Andrea, but all of that is completely opposes SR's ethos.

You're asking for an automated RAID system like unRAID, not SR.

[Vladimir]

David, you say that's is not easy to implement.
For example, here a Part of my PowerShell script to check files after sync, and remove duplicates from import folder:

Removed some stuff:

#Initializing Arrays
$ImportedFiles = @()
$ImportedDirectory = @()
$ArchivedFiles = @()
$ArchivedFilesFiltered = @()

Write-Host

ForEach($I In $ImportedLocation)
{
    If((Test-Path -LiteralPath $I) -EQ $True)
    {
        $CurrentLocation = Format-Path -Path $I
        Write-Host 'Imported Files Location :' $CurrentLocation -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        $ImportedFiles += Get-ChildItem -LiteralPath $CurrentLocation -Recurse -File -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        Remove-Variable -Name I
        Remove-Variable -Name CurrentLocation
    }
}

ForEach($I In $ImportedLocation)
{
    If((Test-Path -LiteralPath $I) -EQ $True)
    {
        $CurrentLocation = Format-Path -Path $I
        $ImportedDirectory += (Get-ChildItem -LiteralPath $CurrentLocation -Recurse -Directory -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue | Group-Object Directory).Group
        Remove-Variable -Name I
        Remove-Variable -Name CurrentLocation
    }
}

ForEach($I In $ArchivedLocation)
{
    If((Test-Path -LiteralPath $I) -EQ $True)
    {
        $CurrentLocation = Format-Path -Path $I
        Write-Host 'Archived Files Location :' $CurrentLocation -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        $ArchivedFiles += Get-ChildItem -LiteralPath $CurrentLocation -Recurse -File -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        Remove-Variable -Name I
        Remove-Variable -Name CurrentLocation
    }
}

#Filter Results
$ImportedFilesUniqSizeList = $ImportedFiles | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Length -Unique
$ArchivedFilesFiltered = $ArchivedFiles | Where-Object -Property Length -In $ImportedFilesUniqSizeList
Remove-Variable -Name ArchivedFiles
Remove-Variable -Name ImportedFilesUniqSizeList

Write-Host
Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host 'Cleanup Files  ' -ForegroundColor DarkRed
ForEach($I In $ImportedFiles | Sort-Object FullName)
{
    $SearchedFiles = @()
    $FilesPath = @()
    Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray

    ForEach($A In $ArchivedFilesFiltered)
    {
        If($A.Length -EQ $I.Length)
        {
            If($A.LastWriteTime.ToString('yyyy-MM-dd-HH-mm-ss') -EQ $I.LastWriteTime.ToString('yyyy-MM-dd-HH-mm-ss'))
            {
                $SearchedFiles+= $A
            }
        }
    }

    If(($Null -NE $SearchedFiles) -AND ($SearchedFiles.Count -NE 0))
    {
        $FilesPath += $I.FullName
        $FilesPath += $SearchedFiles.FullName

        $FilesHash = $FilesPath | Foreach-Object -ThrottleLimit 10 -Parallel{

            Get-FileHash -LiteralPath $PSItem -Algorithm SHA512
        }

        Write-Host 'Examine       |' $I.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        $OutdatedFileHash = ($FilesHash | Where-Object Path -EQ $I.FullName).Hash
        Write-Host 'Key           >' $OutdatedFileHash -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        Write-Host 'Searching     |' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        ForEach($S In $SearchedFiles)
        {
            If($I.FullName -NE $S.FullName)
            {
                Write-Host 'Examine       |' $S.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkGray
                $SearchedFileHash = ($FilesHash | Where-Object Path -EQ $S.FullName).Hash
                Write-Host 'Key           >' $SearchedFileHash -ForegroundColor DarkGray
                If($OutdatedFileHash -EQ $SearchedFileHash)
                {
                    $Message = $OutdatedFileHash + '|' + $I.FullName + '|' +  $S.FullName + '|' + $I.Length.ToString()
                    Out-File -LiteralPath $DetailedLocationPath -InputObject $Message -Append -NoClobber -Encoding UTF8 -Width 1000 -Force

                    Write-Host 'Found         |' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
                    Write-Host 'Remove        |' $I.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkCyan
                    Remove-Item -LiteralPath $I.FullName -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue | Out-Null
                    Write-Host 'Backup        |' $S.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkGreen
                    Break
                }
                Else
                {
                    Write-Host 'Searching     |' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
                }
            }
            Else
            {
                Write-Host 'Equivalent    |' $I.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkYellow
                Write-Host 'Equivalent    |' $S.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkYellow
            }
        }
    }
    Else
    {
        Write-Host 'Rejected      |' $I.FullName -ForegroundColor DarkYellow
    }
}
Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host

Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host 'Cleanup Folders' -ForegroundColor DarkRed
ForEach($D In $ImportedDirectory.FullName | Sort-Object -Unique)
{
    Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
    Write-Host 'Examine       |' $D -ForegroundColor DarkGray
    If((Test-Path -LiteralPath $D) -EQ $True)
    {
        $Items = (Get-ChildItem -LiteralPath $D -Recurse -File -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue).Count
        Write-Host 'Items         |' $Items -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        If($Items -EQ 0)
        {
            Write-Host 'Remove        |' $D -ForegroundColor DarkCyan
            Remove-Item -LiteralPath $D -Recurse -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue | Out-Null
        }
        Else
        {
            Write-Host 'Rejected      |' $D -ForegroundColor DarkGray
        }
    }
    Else
    {
        Write-Host 'Recycled      |' $D -ForegroundColor DarkCyan
    }
}
Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host

Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host 'Create Folders ' -ForegroundColor DarkRed
ForEach($Location In $ImportedLocation)
{
    $CurrentLocation = Format-Path -Path $Location
    ForEach($Directory In $ImportStructure)
    {
        $DirectoryPath = ($CurrentLocation + $Directory + '\')
        If((Test-Path -LiteralPath $DirectoryPath) -EQ $False)
        {
            Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
            Write-Host 'Create         |' $DirectoryPath -ForegroundColor DarkGreen
            New-Item -ItemType Directory -Path $DirectoryPath -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue | Out-Null
        }
    }
}
Write-Host '---------------' -ForegroundColor DarkGray
Write-Host

Start-Sleep -Seconds 60
Stop-Transcript
Exit

I have already do this functionality with PowerShell.

Also i have script that realize pseudo interface for control SnapRAID. to log all operations and some automations and easy to use SnapRAID.

Menu example:

Working Path           : x:\Storage\System\
SnapRAID               : x:\Storage\System\snapraid.exe
SnapRAID Configuration : x:\Storage\System\snapraid.conf
Logs Path              : x:\Storage\History\
Console Log Path       : x:\Storage\History\2024-05-27-22-17-12 - Console.log




options  : Include Additional Commands
config   : Show Configuration File
paths    : Show Data Paths Information
label    : Create Label File For Data Paths
status   : Show Array Status
devices  : Show Devices
smart    : Show SMART Information
diff     : Show Difference
dup      : Show Duplicate Files
list     : Show Array Content
check    : Check All Data
inspect  : Check Data Using Filter
scrub    : Scrub Data
verify   : Verify 25% Of Data
validate : Verify 5% Of Data
sync     : Synchronize Array
touch    : Enable Sub-Second Timestamp
pool     : Create, Updates Pooling Directory
fix      : Fix Errors
repair   : Fix Errors Using Filter
undelete : Restore Missing Files
archive  : Archive Log Files, Exit
stop     : Exit

Log Files Size [Log | Zip] : 422,3 MB | 0 MB

So if i say its easy to implement, its really easy,

Not need to monitor anything, you store files to import folder, placed on small temporary raid, and when time to come, say to SnapRAID place this files on disks.

SnapRAID check disk space.
SnapRAID copy files to disks according path arrangement and space consumption.
SnapRAID sync files
SnapRAID remove files from import folder that synsed and part of SnapRAID protection.

Need to implement new path in config for import folder.
Need to implement new command to copy and distribute files. This part is most biggest.
Need to implement new command to cleanup import folder.

Unraid - its Operating System to set on whole PC and turn it to NAS. Like FreeNAS.
Unraid working with online raid, and not a file based backup raid tool like SnapRAID.

And, David, its just a suggestion, according to my own experience of usage, this implementation populate more SnapRAID installations and have more users to come.

[David]

If you've got what you want, then use that. If you need functionality that isn't SR, keep building what you need then distribute and support that rather than pushing the idea off to Andrea. I could be wrong, but what you're asking for sounds extremely niche and again, completely out of the ethos of SR. Having SR move files changes it completely.

Again, DrivePool does exactly what you want and will distribute the files according to many different conditions that the user predetermines. If you want something transparent and that's already developed, that's exactly what you want.

[Vladimir]

Ok David, trying in this manner:

I'm not asking to you, what to do.
You opinion in this question not interested for me.
You have already made hasty conclusions, and from that moment on your opinion has lost authority.

People free to post any suggestions.
If this suggestion not interested to developer, its absolutely fine.

But i'm not asking you opinion about that.

[David]

So you're upset because you can't convince me? Yes, people can suggest features. Other people can respectfully comment on said suggestions. One of my suggestions is to get exactly what you want, DrivePool already offers it. Right now. And if you have a wrapper that mostly what you want, wouldn't it make sense to expand that and offer it yourself? After all, why should Andrea duplicate your finished work to get the same result?

But, you know what? I could be wrong. Andrea could look at your suggestion and think "That's exactly what snapraid needs. Auto-file management and free space balancing is exactly what snapraid should have." Let's say he does that, how soon would it be implemented? A year? Maybe longer? Just something to think about.

[Vladimir]

I don't need to convince you at all.

You suggest some solution, again.
Developers of DrivePool 2.X fixed ~ 400 bugs from 2.0.0.154 to 2.3.7.1570.
How can you suggest so buggy app to use with important data?
Also it comes with proprietary driver for combine disks. Its dead block for using this software.

At some day project will be closed, Drive Bender and Flex Raid already died.

I say it again, I'm already have working solution, but on PowerShell scripts. But it good feature to save time.

Maybe you not need this functionality, maybe you like move files to disks one by one, probably, without check its integrity, this is mean you loose you data someday.

[David]

How can you suggest so buggy app to use with important data?

Well, it's less buggy now, right? And they're working on making it better.

Also it comes with proprietary driver for combine disks. Its dead block for using this software.
Is it?

You don't have to use the pooling software. Doesn't all drive pooling solutions use a proprietary driver? BTW, some day snapraid will be gone. That's now things work. I really miss flexraid. I loved that software. I'd still be running it now if I didn't change my mobo.

I say it again, I'm already have working solution, but on PowerShell scripts.

Then polish it up, and push that out to others if this feature you want is in such demand. If you have a working solution, then let others use it. One of the biggest used tools for snapraid is a batch file apparently everyone loves. That could be you as well.

this is mean you loose you data someday.

Well look who is, well, I'll just quote you to respond to you

You have already made hasty conclusions, and from that moment on your opinion has lost authority.

Well said.
I have no idea why you are getting so bent out of shape. I'm not the one telling you "no." I'm saying your suggestion doesn't fit the ethos of snapraid. You don't need to convince me.

[Rysz]

It seems that you already built some kind of implementation for SnapRAID within your specific niche use case and that's great. But what you're describing seems to be more of an ecosystem around SnapRAID, rather than features that I could personally see being that useful when added to the program. That's the beauty of SnapRAID, it doesn't force anything on you, but lets you use the tools of your choice around it... for some that's mergerFS, for others that's simple Bash scripts, for you it's PowerShell scripts. What you are describing would have zero use case for me personally and I'd consider it unneeded baggage if it were added to the program for whatever reason.

[Vladimir]

Hi Rysz, how often you add files to snapraid, in whish portion size? Jut to understand your experience of usage snapraid.

This is question about intense of usage.

My installation grows:

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