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From: Kris G. <krs...@ya...> - 2002-11-13 00:19:32
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I agree. Right now we have 3 people on the list. For the inquiries from others I've had so far expressing interest, I informed each person to sign up to here. Let's cap it at 5 members until we have a good understanding of the req's, and thus how much work lies ahead. Those interested enough to sign up and continue right away are probably the best match for now. If someone wants to assist on req's still, and ends up being a valuable contributor, we can certainly add them at that time. Thanks, Kris --- Matthew Smith <Mat...@av...> wrote: > Kris > > I am not sure what the magic number is, but I > believe we don't need masses of people to come up > with a good design. Sometimes the more people > involved, the harder it can become to reach a design > decision. > > On the other hand, an extra person can pick up on > requirements that have been missed by the rest of > the group. > > Matt > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 |
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From: Matthew S. <Mat...@av...> - 2002-11-12 23:14:41
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Kris =20 I am not sure what the magic number is, but I believe we don't need = masses of people to come up with a good design. Sometimes the more = people involved, the harder it can become to reach a design decision. =20 =20 On the other hand, an extra person can pick up on requirements that have = been missed by the rest of the group. =20 Matt -----Original Message-----=20 From: Kris Goss [mailto:krs...@ya...]=20 Sent: Wed 13/11/2002 7:04 AM=20 To: sma...@li...=20 Cc:=20 Subject: [Smartclient-developers] First steps... =09 =09 Hey guys, looks like most people are trickling into the list at this point. I've also gotten some more requests to get involved in the project, and am wondering at what point do we think we'll have too many people on board at such an early phase? Do we have a magic number? Any input here is appreciated. =09 It appears that everyone is on board with the use case initiative which should be valuable to us as the project progresses. Last night I uploaded the coding conventions (let me know if there are any issues) to the site page, and I'm hoping to get the use case writing guidelines up tonight. This will be pretty concise since they should ot require a sickening level of detail to convey the necessary information. =09 Once everyone has checked out the GotDotNet sample Matt mentioned, we can begin with the requirements. There are a number of issues to discuss, some off the top of my head are: =09 1. Security issues related to downloading assemblies 2. Updating of RDBMS or other datastore 3. GAC updates 4. Extensibility for areas that will surely vary by application - like client authentication (based on licensing information, etc.) for updates. 5. Update manifest security - e.g. no tampering of the manifest befor the client agent executes it =09 Looking forward to getting started. =09 Thanks, =09 Kris =09 =09 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 =09 =09 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: To learn the basics of securing your web site with SSL, click here to get a FREE TRIAL of a Thawte Server Certificate: http://www.gothawte.com/rd522.html _______________________________________________ Smartclient-developers mailing list Sma...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/smartclient-developers =09 |
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From: Kris G. <krs...@ya...> - 2002-11-12 20:04:55
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Hey guys, looks like most people are trickling into the list at this point. I've also gotten some more requests to get involved in the project, and am wondering at what point do we think we'll have too many people on board at such an early phase? Do we have a magic number? Any input here is appreciated. It appears that everyone is on board with the use case initiative which should be valuable to us as the project progresses. Last night I uploaded the coding conventions (let me know if there are any issues) to the site page, and I'm hoping to get the use case writing guidelines up tonight. This will be pretty concise since they should ot require a sickening level of detail to convey the necessary information. Once everyone has checked out the GotDotNet sample Matt mentioned, we can begin with the requirements. There are a number of issues to discuss, some off the top of my head are: 1. Security issues related to downloading assemblies 2. Updating of RDBMS or other datastore 3. GAC updates 4. Extensibility for areas that will surely vary by application - like client authentication (based on licensing information, etc.) for updates. 5. Update manifest security - e.g. no tampering of the manifest befor the client agent executes it Looking forward to getting started. Thanks, Kris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 |
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From: Matthew S. <Mat...@av...> - 2002-11-12 04:20:44
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Updating the GAC is an interesting one. I still haven't discovered a = clean solution for this one. In the past, I have not let auto-update = assemblies install into the GAC. I have supplied an .msi file that users = must manually run on their machines to update GAC components (not nice). =20 HTTP compression is worth a look to improve download performance. -----Original Message-----=20 From: Kris Goss [mailto:krs...@ya...]=20 Sent: Tue 12/11/2002 2:44 PM=20 To: sma...@li...=20 Cc:=20 Subject: Re: [Smartclient-developers] An initial question =09 =09 I saw this sample from Jamie Cool a while back, and its definitely inline with the direction I think the project will go. There are a number of issues in which it falls short currently, with things such as updating the GAC, datastores, etc. Also, security could be improved, and the WebDAV method of downloading is cumbersome and insecure in the sample. =09 We might be able to look at something like DIME for the downloading service, although, this is still pretty new. The ColdStorage sample by MS at coldrooster.com uses a web service for downloading, and supports "chunking" of the file contents for performance benefits. =09 Hopefully everyone is on the list in the next day or so. Looking forward to getting started. =09 Kris =09 --- Matthew Smith <Mat...@av...> wrote: > Just thought I'd kick things off at my end with an > initial question: >=20 > Have you all seen Microsoft's AppUpdater component? > http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/windowsforms/appupdater.aspx >=20 > From the initial use cases it looks like we are > heading down a similar path. This component can be > dropped on a WinForm application to enable > auto-updating of assemblies. >=20 > Matt > =09 =09 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 =09 =09 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Smartclient-developers mailing list Sma...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/smartclient-developers =09 |
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From: Kris G. <krs...@ya...> - 2002-11-12 03:44:56
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I saw this sample from Jamie Cool a while back, and its definitely inline with the direction I think the project will go. There are a number of issues in which it falls short currently, with things such as updating the GAC, datastores, etc. Also, security could be improved, and the WebDAV method of downloading is cumbersome and insecure in the sample. We might be able to look at something like DIME for the downloading service, although, this is still pretty new. The ColdStorage sample by MS at coldrooster.com uses a web service for downloading, and supports "chunking" of the file contents for performance benefits. Hopefully everyone is on the list in the next day or so. Looking forward to getting started. Kris --- Matthew Smith <Mat...@av...> wrote: > Just thought I'd kick things off at my end with an > initial question: > > Have you all seen Microsoft's AppUpdater component? > http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/windowsforms/appupdater.aspx > > From the initial use cases it looks like we are > heading down a similar path. This component can be > dropped on a WinForm application to enable > auto-updating of assemblies. > > Matt > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 |
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From: Matthew S. <Mat...@av...> - 2002-11-12 03:37:50
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Just thought I'd kick things off at my end with an initial question: =20 Have you all seen Microsoft's AppUpdater component? = http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/windowsforms/appupdater.aspx =20 From the initial use cases it looks like we are heading down a similar = path. This component can be dropped on a WinForm application to enable = auto-updating of assemblies. =20 Matt |
