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Re: [Skunkweb-list] Re-2: Problem using PyDO 2.0 with SQLite (Python 2.4 + pysqlite2)

[Jacob S. <smu...@sm...>]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 05:38:19PM +0000, t....@ar... wrote:
> *** Python 2.4.3 (#69, Apr 11 2006, 15:32:42) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]=
 on win32. ***
> >>> from pysqlite2 import dbapi2 as sqlite
> >>> sqlite.converters
> {'DATE': <function convert_date at 0x01B6C430>, 'TIMESTAMP': <function co=
nvert_timestamp at 0x01B6C470>}
> >>> sqlite.version
> '2.3.3'
> >>>=20
>=20
> obviously 2.3.3 uppercases the names automatically at registration!
> Do you think it makes sense to patch PyDO or should I "downgrade" the sql=
ite lib ?

I have checked into SVN a fix which should solve the problem.  Let me know
if it works for you.

> In response to your very detailed thoughts on the future of PyDO, well: >
> coming from TurboGears - where it was integrated out of the box - I tried
> SQLObject: was nice, but then I ran into serious troubles with it's inter=
nal
> caching, so my multiuser client application didn't work properly (ending =
up
> in an academic discussion about "why an ORM library must do such chaching=
");

Drew Csillag (rightly, IMO) drew the line about that sort of caching about a
million years ago in internet time.  There used to be a paper somewhere on
the web going into why he thought it was a bad idea.... yes, it still
exists:

  http://www.atug.com/andypatterns/rmpydo.htm
 =20
> I like PyDO because its small, fast, easy to use, and one can do so much
(with inheritance, projection, joins, "fetch" ...) that perhaps is not all
real ORM, but helps a lot to do the things I need fast and easy.
=20
Right, the ease-of-use features are the library's continuing appeal for me
too. =20

Cheers,

js

--=20
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[Skunkweb-list] Re-2: Problem using PyDO 2.0 with SQLite (Python 2.4 + pysqlite2)

[<t....@ar...>]

Hello, Jacob!
thank's for the really fast response!

> I suppose this is a problem connected with pysqlite2 versions.  I happen to
> have 2.2.2 on the machine I'm sitting at right now, and here I can do this:
> 
>   smulloni@bracknell ~ $ ipython
> 
>   [1]:from pysqlite2 import dbapi2 as sqlite
> 
>   [2]:sqlite.converters
>   [2] {'date': <function convert_date at 0xb7ad048c>, 'timestamp': <
> function
>   convert_timestamp at 0xb7ad04c4>}
> 
>   [3]:sqlite.version
>   [3] '2.2.2'
>   
> Could you tell me what happens when you do the above?

Yes, your'e right:
 
*** Python 2.4.3 (#69, Apr 11 2006, 15:32:42) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)] on win32. ***
>>> from pysqlite2 import dbapi2 as sqlite
>>> sqlite.converters
{'DATE': <function convert_date at 0x01B6C430>, 'TIMESTAMP': <function convert_timestamp at 0x01B6C470>}
>>> sqlite.version
'2.3.3'
>>> 

obviously 2.3.3 uppercases the names automatically at registration!
Do you think it makes sense to patch PyDO or should I "downgrade" the sqlite lib ?

In response to your very detailed thoughts on the future of PyDO, well: 
coming from TurboGears - where it was integrated out of the box - I tried SQLObject: was nice, but then I ran into serious troubles with it's internal caching, so my multiuser client application didn't work properly (ending up in an academic discussion about "why an ORM library must do such chaching");
I tried SQLAlchemy - and it felt a bit clumsy; (can't remember the second point I decided to let it go, maybe it was SA that had the caching problem and not SO ?)

I like PyDO because its small, fast, easy to use, and one can do so much (with inheritance, projection, joins, "fetch" ...) that perhaps is not all real ORM, but helps a lot to do the things I need fast and easy.

Thanks for that!
Thomas

Re: [Skunkweb-list] Problem using PyDO 2.0 with SQLite (Python 2.4 + pysqlite2)

[Jacob S. <smu...@sm...>]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:31:33PM +0000, t....@ar... wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using PyDO 2.0 already with a remote MySQL server and it works very g=
ratifying for me.
>=20
> Now I tried to use a local SQLite database too (under Python 2.4 and pysq=
lite2), but when
> accessing the db, I get following Exception:
> Traceback		=09
>     ?	C:\TG\ingo\src\client-1.0a1\ingo\client\model3.py	1384=09
>     getSome	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\base.py	667=09
>     getDBI	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\base.py	443=09
>     getConnection	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	316=09
>     _connect	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	228=09
>     _get_driver_class	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	236=09
>     _import_a_class	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\utils.py	55=09
>     ?	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\drivers\sqliteconn2.py	32=09
> KeyError: 'date'
>=20
> As far as I found out, the problem occures when registering the additional
> conversion mappings (DATE, DATETIME,...) at module init, but I don't know
> how to solve the problem.

I suppose this is a problem connected with pysqlite2 versions.  I happen to
have 2.2.2 on the machine I'm sitting at right now, and here I can do this:

  smulloni@bracknell ~ $ ipython

  [1]:from pysqlite2 import dbapi2 as sqlite

  [2]:sqlite.converters
  [2] {'date': <function convert_date at 0xb7ad048c>, 'timestamp': <function
  convert_timestamp at 0xb7ad04c4>}

  [3]:sqlite.version
  [3] '2.2.2'
 =20
Could you tell me what happens when you do the above?

> PS: Will there be any further developement of PyDO? Seems not very active=
 at the moment, but
> would be a great pity if it would die silently!

I'm glad someone feels that way!  I'm not making a lot of changes to make to
it because in my own use I haven't needed to, but I'm still here and if
someone has new ideas and wants to dive in and work more on the project, I'm
all for it. =20

I'm also something of an enthusiast, although a somewhat befuddled one, of
SQLAlchemy, which got several things right off the bat that I didn't quite
in PyDO2:

   - separation of table objects from business objects (something I always
     intended, but never provided enough infrastructure to make it work)
   - the sql generation entirely delegated to driver-specific engines
   - modifiable query objects=20
   - unit of work
  =20
etc.  I have the excuse that I wanted to keep more or less the same
interface as PyDO1, because I had a lot of PyDO1 code to maintain, but I
also painted myself into a corner with some early decisions.  SQLAlchemy is
overall a much more sophisticated tool than PyDO and reflects much more
expertise about databases than I had to offer. It also seems a bit harder to
get cozy with, however; in PyDO a lot of thought was given to making certain
use cases, at least, extremely easy.  Hence the proliferation of various
declarative wrappers for SQLAlchemy, and the fact that while there is a buzz
about it, most everyone seems to be still using SQLObject or the Django ORM.
(Maybe that will change in the next few months.)
  =20
So if anyone has ideas about new directions for PyDO, I'd suggest they be
somehow informed by the example of SQLAlchemy.  It might make sense for PyDO
to die a slow, natural death, or turn into yet another SA wrapper, or for
the weaknesses which stand out so sharply in comparison with SA to be
addressed with refactoring and new code while attempting to retain the
better aspects of the current api; but in any case it wouldn't make sense to
proceed pretending SA doesn't exist.


j

--=20
Jacob Smullyan

[Skunkweb-list] Problem using PyDO 2.0 with SQLite (Python 2.4 + pysqlite2)

[<t....@ar...>]

Hello,
I'm using PyDO 2.0 already with a remote MySQL server and it works very gratifying for me.

Now I tried to use a local SQLite database too (under Python 2.4 and pysqlite2), but when
accessing the db, I get following Exception:
Traceback			
    ?	C:\TG\ingo\src\client-1.0a1\ingo\client\model3.py	1384	
    getSome	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\base.py	667	
    getDBI	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\base.py	443	
    getConnection	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	316	
    _connect	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	228	
    _get_driver_class	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\dbi.py	236	
    _import_a_class	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\utils.py	55	
    ?	build\bdist.win32\egg\pydo\drivers\sqliteconn2.py	32	
KeyError: 'date'

As far as I found out, the problem occures when registering the additional
conversion mappings (DATE, DATETIME,...) at module init, but I don't know
how to solve the problem.

Thank's for any tips
Thomas


PS: Will there be any further developement of PyDO? Seems not very active at the moment, but
would be a great pity if it would die silently!

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