Re: [Skim-app-users] Open Meta tag support in Skim?

[Rhet T. <rtu...@gm...>]

>have serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to the tags outside Skim
(e.g. by I certainly see how this could be a problem. I'd be willing to live
with it but it might bite some users.  Would you consider read-only display
in Skim, e.g. in a Get Info panel or better yet, the notes drawer?  I think
the more developers adopt a common metadata standard, the better!
Regards,
Rhet


On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Christiaan Hofman <cmh...@gm...>wrote:

>
> On 25 Jan 2009, at 4:53 PM, Rhet Turnbull wrote:
>
> The developers behind Yep & Leap (two excellent apps for tagging/organzing
> PDFs and other files) have released an open source tagging framework for Mac
> based on extended attributes called Open Meta.  I believe this solves many
> of the problems inherent in the various tagging applications on the Mac. As
> a heavy user of both Yep and Skim, I would *love* to see Skim add integrated
> support for Open Meta tags. The ability to view tags as well as modify them
> in Skim would be helpful. This could be accomplished with applescripts from
> Skim but an integrated approach would be much nicer and the fact that they
> use extended attributes should play nicely with Skim's architecture. The
> code is available and is released under Apache license. Any thoughts?
> Yep & Leap: http://www.yepthat.com/
> Open Meta code: http://code.google.com/p/openmeta/
> Open Meta manifesto: OpenMeta.pdf<http://openmeta.googlecode.com/files/OpenMeta.pdf>
>
> Cheers,
> Rhet
>
>
> Basic support for these tags would indeed be rather easy as Skim already
> does the hard part of accessing EAs. However, I doubt whether it's a good
> idea to do this. There's a fundamental difference between Yep/Leap and Skim:
> the former manages a bunch of files, and does not own the file data in any
> way (it only owns references to the files), while Skim edits the files, and
> owns the data for the file in its data model. What this means is that on an
> edit of the tags, Yep/Leap can directly change the metadata of the file,
> while in Skim you'd only edit the data in Skim's memory space. In Skim, the
> metadata would be written to file only when the document is saved, and it's
> read only when Skim opens or reverts the document. I hope you see the
> difference. this could have serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to
> the tags outside Skim (e.g. by Yep) while the PDF is open in Skim will be
> lost when Skim saves the PDF. If you're not aware that Skim manages these
> tags, this would lead to unexpected data loss. Is this acceptable? I doubt
> it.
>
> Christiaan
>
>
>
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