Thread: [sinhala-technical] URGENT: SCCII Part 2: Requirements and Methods of Test
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From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-01-31 11:05:06
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Hi, I was looking at SCCII Part 2: Requirements and Methods of Test, section "4.2 Fonts". 1) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the Kunddaliya? Or is it not required at any of the levels? 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DD8 and U +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and iluuyanna? I assume level 3, but can someone confirm? cya, # |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-02-02 10:03:25
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On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 22:04 +1100, Harshula wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking at SCCII Part 2: Requirements and Methods of Test, section > "4.2 Fonts". > > 1) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the Kunddaliya? Or is it not > required at any of the levels? > > 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DD8 and U > +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and iluuyanna? I > assume level 3, but can someone confirm? Dineesha (from LakeHouse) kindly pointed out that I had incorrectly referred to U+0DD8. Here's the corrected version: 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DDF and U +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and I assume level 3, but can someone confirm? cya, # |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-03-01 01:59:20
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Hi All, Please see: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19288 Certain individuals that apparently have a say on fontconfig (The GNU/Linux component that determines which fonts are a valid Sinhala font) are refusing to follow SLS1134:Part2:Requirements and Methods of Test. I have never encountered such disregard for SLS1134 amongst the GNU/Linux community before. Most of the time, simply providing a reference from SLS1134 was sufficient. I'm not sure what we can do next, but if any of you have suggestions or can help, please do. cya, # |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-02-02 10:33:25
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On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 21:03 +1100, Harshula wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 22:04 +1100, Harshula wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was looking at SCCII Part 2: Requirements and Methods of Test, section > > "4.2 Fonts". > > > > 1) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the Kunddaliya? Or is it not > > required at any of the levels? > > > > 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DD8 and U > > +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and iluuyanna? I > > assume level 3, but can someone confirm? > > Dineesha (from LakeHouse) kindly pointed out that I had incorrectly > referred to U+0DD8. Here's the corrected version: > > 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DDF and U > +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and I assume > level 3, but can someone confirm? Let me try that one more time ... 2) Which of the levels, 1-3, requires the dependent vowels, U+0DDF and U +0DF3 corresponding to the independent vowels iluyanna and iluuyanna? I assume level 3, but can someone confirm? cya, # |
From: Gihan D. <gi...@uo...> - 2009-03-01 03:01:22
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Harshula wrote: > Hi All, > > Please see: > http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19288 > > Certain individuals that apparently have a say on fontconfig (The > GNU/Linux component that determines which fonts are a valid Sinhala > font) are refusing to follow SLS1134:Part2:Requirements and Methods of > Test. > Harshula, What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending SLS1134:part 2. Gihan |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-03-01 07:43:06
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Hi Gihan, The impression I get is that this particular person took a stance before getting a copy of SLS1134:Part2 and he is now clutching at straws. On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 08:31 +0530, Gihan Dias wrote: > What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending > SLS1134:part 2. The main issue seems to be that the descriptive texts in SLS1134, p.6 mentions: "3. ඎ also does not occur in present usage, but its corresponding vowel sign, ෲ is used; for example, ශාස්තෲන්." "The consonant ඦ (nyja) is included although it is not found in contemporary writing." So, this person refuses to require ඎ and ඦ because of the descriptive text in SLS1134 even though SLS1134:Part2 explicitly states that it is required for level 1 font compliance: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A font supporting SLS 1134 at Level 1 shall represent all the following Sinhala letters. a) Vowels අ, ආ, ඇ, ඈ, ඉ, ඊ, උ, ඌ, ඍ, ඎ, එ, ඒ, ඓ, ඔ, ඕ, ඖ, ං, ඃ b) Consonants ක, ඛ, ග, ඝ, ඞ ඟ, ච, ඡ, ජ, ඣ, ඥ, ඤ, ඦ, ට, ඨ, ඩ, ඪ, ණ, ඬ, ත, ථ, ද, ධ, න, ඳ, ප, ඵ, බ, භ, ම, ඹ, ය, ර, ල, ව, ශ, ෂ, ස, හ, ළ, ෆ, c) and Sinhala Characters given in Table 1. All combinations of the above consonants with the above vowels shall be supported. Consonant-vowel combinations with the yansaya(යංශය) rakaransaya (රකාරංශය) and repaya shall also be supported. ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have tried to explain to this person that the iru/iruu independent and dependent vowels are required as a set at Level 1 compliance. Similarly, ilu/iluu independent and dependent vowels are required as set at Level 3 compliance. Also sanyaka jayanna is part of a set of nasalised unaspirated voiced consonants needed at Level 1 compliance. cya, # |
From: Ruvan W. <ar...@uc...> - 2009-03-02 02:56:34
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i read the whole thread and harshula has been doing a great job. but the maintainers of fontconfig also know their stuff and so seem to feel insulted that harshula probably knows more. it appears that the discussion is not in the usual spirit of FOSS development since harshula's arguments are not answered, merely that he has not been polite enough. not sure where we can go from here. anuradha, are you in perpetual unicode-hybernation or even technical-hybernation? can you advice us on this front please? ruvan. Harshula wrote: > Hi Gihan, > > The impression I get is that this particular person took a stance before > getting a copy of SLS1134:Part2 and he is now clutching at straws. > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 08:31 +0530, Gihan Dias wrote: > > >> What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending >> SLS1134:part 2. >> > > The main issue seems to be that the descriptive texts in SLS1134, p.6 > mentions: > > "3. ? also does not occur in present usage, but its corresponding vowel > sign, ? is used; for example, ????????." > > "The consonant ? (nyja) is included although it is not found in > contemporary writing." > > So, this person refuses to require ? and ? because of the descriptive > text in SLS1134 even though SLS1134:Part2 explicitly states that it is > required for level 1 font compliance: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > A font supporting SLS 1134 at Level 1 shall represent all the following Sinhala > letters. > a) Vowels > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > ?, ? > > b) Consonants > ?, ?, ?, ?, ? ?, > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, > > c) and Sinhala Characters given in Table 1. > > All combinations of the above consonants with the above vowels shall be > supported. Consonant-vowel combinations with the yansaya(????) > rakaransaya (???????) and repaya shall also be supported. > > ... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have tried to explain to this person that the iru/iruu independent and > dependent vowels are required as a set at Level 1 compliance. Similarly, > ilu/iluu independent and dependent vowels are required as set at Level 3 > compliance. Also sanyaka jayanna is part of a set of nasalised > unaspirated voiced consonants needed at Level 1 compliance. > > cya, > # > > |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-03-15 12:27:30
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Hi All, Following the discussion on this thread, does anyone have any concerns about the correctness of SLS1134:PART2? If not, is there an official statement that can be made by ICTA regarding this matter in support of SLS1134:PART2? Thanks to those who took the time to read the bugzilla bug. cya, # On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 08:07 +0530, Ruvan Weerasinghe wrote: > i read the whole thread and harshula has been doing a great job. but > the maintainers of fontconfig also know their stuff and so seem to > feel insulted that harshula probably knows more. it appears that the > discussion is not in the usual spirit of FOSS development since > harshula's arguments are not answered, merely that he has not been > polite enough. > > not sure where we can go from here. anuradha, are you in perpetual > unicode-hybernation or even technical-hybernation? can you advice us > on this front please? > > ruvan. > > > Harshula wrote: > > Hi Gihan, > > > > The impression I get is that this particular person took a stance before > > getting a copy of SLS1134:Part2 and he is now clutching at straws. > > > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 08:31 +0530, Gihan Dias wrote: > > > > > > > What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending > > > SLS1134:part 2. > > > > > > > The main issue seems to be that the descriptive texts in SLS1134, p.6 > > mentions: > > > > "3. ඎ also does not occur in present usage, but its corresponding vowel > > sign, ෲ is used; for example, ශාස්තෲන්." > > > > "The consonant ඦ (nyja) is included although it is not found in > > contemporary writing." > > > > So, this person refuses to require ඎ and ඦ because of the descriptive > > text in SLS1134 even though SLS1134:Part2 explicitly states that it is > > required for level 1 font compliance: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A font supporting SLS 1134 at Level 1 shall represent all the following Sinhala > > letters. > > a) Vowels > > අ, ආ, ඇ, ඈ, ඉ, ඊ, උ, ඌ, ඍ, ඎ, එ, ඒ, ඓ, ඔ, ඕ, ඖ, > > ං, ඃ > > > > b) Consonants > > ක, ඛ, ග, ඝ, ඞ ඟ, > > ච, ඡ, ජ, ඣ, ඥ, ඤ, ඦ, > > ට, ඨ, ඩ, ඪ, ණ, ඬ, > > ත, ථ, ද, ධ, න, ඳ, > > ප, ඵ, බ, භ, ම, ඹ, > > ය, ර, ල, ව, ශ, ෂ, ස, හ, ළ, ෆ, > > > > c) and Sinhala Characters given in Table 1. > > > > All combinations of the above consonants with the above vowels shall be > > supported. Consonant-vowel combinations with the yansaya(යංශය) > > rakaransaya (රකාරංශය) and repaya shall also be supported. > > > > ... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I have tried to explain to this person that the iru/iruu independent and > > dependent vowels are required as a set at Level 1 compliance. Similarly, > > ilu/iluu independent and dependent vowels are required as set at Level 3 > > compliance. Also sanyaka jayanna is part of a set of nasalised > > unaspirated voiced consonants needed at Level 1 compliance. > > > > cya, > > # |
From: Anuradha R. <anu...@ta...> - 2009-03-02 03:25:37
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On 3/2/09, Ruvan Weerasinghe <ar...@uc...> wrote: > > not sure where we can go from here. anuradha, are you in perpetual > unicode-hybernation or even technical-hybernation? can you advice us on > this front please? I am alive. I was following this thread, among others, but I am also in the dark about this particular "issue". :-( There are few things in my court as well, such as finding a neat way to fix missing tables in freefont, removing some few quick-and-dirty fixes we used in the early days (such as setting SCIM methods in environment variables etc) just to get things working. Harshula has been instrumental in bookkeeping and following up most of these matters, and I definitely should allocate some time to attend to them. Anuradha -- http://www.sayura.net/anuradha/ |
From: Anuradha R. <anu...@ta...> - 2009-03-02 03:34:06
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On 3/2/09, Anuradha Ratnaweera <anu...@ta...> wrote: > > I was following this thread, among others, but I am also in the dark > about this particular "issue". :-( Ok I followed this discussion http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19288 if that's what you are referring to. Harshula, I honestly think that you need to tone down. You are technically correct, but that style of communicating is not helping the community. IMHO, it's not only about getting the bug fixed and standards compliance, but also the rapport of the FOSS community also matters. Anuradha -- http://www.sayura.net/anuradha/ |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-03-02 05:53:47
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Hi Anuradha, You read the correct bug. On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:04 +0530, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote: > Harshula, I honestly think that you need to tone down. You are > technically correct, but that style of communicating is not helping > the community. IMHO, it's not only about getting the bug fixed and > standards compliance, but also the rapport of the FOSS community also > matters. I agree, I think I allowed my frustrations to get the better of me. These two individuals are not the "FOSS community". The active FOSS community has been frustrated for a while with how one of these individuals operates. cya, # |
From: harsha w. <wij...@gm...> - 2009-03-02 03:18:28
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Hi everyone I have been told of certain problems creation of font rules using GPOS by Dinesha on linux. I have been looking into these problems at present. Could we talk to this person or persons regarding their problems if they really have one since we could see collectively what to do or even to ammend sls 1134 thanks harsha On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Ruvan Weerasinghe <ar...@uc...>wrote: > i read the whole thread and harshula has been doing a great job. but the > maintainers of fontconfig also know their stuff and so seem to feel insulted > that harshula probably knows more. it appears that the discussion is not in > the usual spirit of FOSS development since harshula's arguments are not > answered, merely that he has not been polite enough. > > not sure where we can go from here. anuradha, are you in perpetual > unicode-hybernation or even technical-hybernation? can you advice us on this > front please? > > ruvan. > > > Harshula wrote: > > Hi Gihan, > > The impression I get is that this particular person took a stance before > getting a copy of SLS1134:Part2 and he is now clutching at straws. > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 08:31 +0530, Gihan Dias wrote: > > > > What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending > SLS1134:part 2. > > > The main issue seems to be that the descriptive texts in SLS1134, p.6 > mentions: > > "3. ඎ also does not occur in present usage, but its corresponding vowel > sign, ෲ is used; for example, ශාස්තෲන්." > > "The consonant ඦ (nyja) is included although it is not found in > contemporary writing." > > So, this person refuses to require ඎ and ඦ because of the descriptive > text in SLS1134 even though SLS1134:Part2 explicitly states that it is > required for level 1 font compliance: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > A font supporting SLS 1134 at Level 1 shall represent all the following Sinhala > letters. > a) Vowels > අ, ආ, ඇ, ඈ, ඉ, ඊ, උ, ඌ, ඍ, ඎ, එ, ඒ, ඓ, ඔ, ඕ, ඖ, > ං, ඃ > > b) Consonants > ක, ඛ, ග, ඝ, ඞ ඟ, > ච, ඡ, ජ, ඣ, ඥ, ඤ, ඦ, > ට, ඨ, ඩ, ඪ, ණ, ඬ, > ත, ථ, ද, ධ, න, ඳ, > ප, ඵ, බ, භ, ම, ඹ, > ය, ර, ල, ව, ශ, ෂ, ස, හ, ළ, ෆ, > > c) and Sinhala Characters given in Table 1. > > All combinations of the above consonants with the above vowels shall be > supported. Consonant-vowel combinations with the yansaya(යංශය) > rakaransaya (රකාරංශය) and repaya shall also be supported. > > ... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have tried to explain to this person that the iru/iruu independent and > dependent vowels are required as a set at Level 1 compliance. Similarly, > ilu/iluu independent and dependent vowels are required as set at Level 3 > compliance. Also sanyaka jayanna is part of a set of nasalised > unaspirated voiced consonants needed at Level 1 compliance. > > cya, > # > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, > CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: > SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > sinhala-technical mailing list > sin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sinhala-technical > > |
From: nidujay <ni...@gm...> - 2009-03-02 04:56:48
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My knowledge of the standards is minimal, but looking at it from a practical angle (which the other commentators seem to view) didn't the older texts (I'm thinking පුස් කොල පොත්) use these characters? If so doesn't it make these characters necessary for text reproduction purposes? Or am I missing the point entirely? 2009/3/2 harsha wijayawardhana <wij...@gm...> > Hi everyone > I have been told of certain problems creation of font rules using GPOS by > Dinesha on linux. I have been looking into these problems at present. Could > we talk to this person or persons regarding their problems if they really > have one since we could see collectively what to do or even to ammend sls > 1134 > > thanks > harsha > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Ruvan Weerasinghe <ar...@uc...>wrote: > >> i read the whole thread and harshula has been doing a great job. but the >> maintainers of fontconfig also know their stuff and so seem to feel insulted >> that harshula probably knows more. it appears that the discussion is not in >> the usual spirit of FOSS development since harshula's arguments are not >> answered, merely that he has not been polite enough. >> >> not sure where we can go from here. anuradha, are you in perpetual >> unicode-hybernation or even technical-hybernation? can you advice us on this >> front please? >> >> ruvan. >> >> >> Harshula wrote: >> >> Hi Gihan, >> >> The impression I get is that this particular person took a stance before >> getting a copy of SLS1134:Part2 and he is now clutching at straws. >> >> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 08:31 +0530, Gihan Dias wrote: >> >> >> >> What are their issues? If they are valid, we can work on amending >> SLS1134:part 2. >> >> >> The main issue seems to be that the descriptive texts in SLS1134, p.6 >> mentions: >> >> "3. ඎ also does not occur in present usage, but its corresponding vowel >> sign, ෲ is used; for example, ශාස්තෲන්." >> >> "The consonant ඦ (nyja) is included although it is not found in >> contemporary writing." >> >> So, this person refuses to require ඎ and ඦ because of the descriptive >> text in SLS1134 even though SLS1134:Part2 explicitly states that it is >> required for level 1 font compliance: >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> A font supporting SLS 1134 at Level 1 shall represent all the following Sinhala >> letters. >> a) Vowels >> අ, ආ, ඇ, ඈ, ඉ, ඊ, උ, ඌ, ඍ, ඎ, එ, ඒ, ඓ, ඔ, ඕ, ඖ, >> ං, ඃ >> >> b) Consonants >> ක, ඛ, ග, ඝ, ඞ ඟ, >> ච, ඡ, ජ, ඣ, ඥ, ඤ, ඦ, >> ට, ඨ, ඩ, ඪ, ණ, ඬ, >> ත, ථ, ද, ධ, න, ඳ, >> ප, ඵ, බ, භ, ම, ඹ, >> ය, ර, ල, ව, ශ, ෂ, ස, හ, ළ, ෆ, >> >> c) and Sinhala Characters given in Table 1. >> >> All combinations of the above consonants with the above vowels shall be >> supported. Consonant-vowel combinations with the yansaya(යංශය) >> rakaransaya (රකාරංශය) and repaya shall also be supported. >> >> ... >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I have tried to explain to this person that the iru/iruu independent and >> dependent vowels are required as a set at Level 1 compliance. Similarly, >> ilu/iluu independent and dependent vowels are required as set at Level 3 >> compliance. Also sanyaka jayanna is part of a set of nasalised >> unaspirated voiced consonants needed at Level 1 compliance. >> >> cya, >> # >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, >> CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: >> SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> sinhala-technical mailing list >> sin...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sinhala-technical >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, > CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: > SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > sinhala-technical mailing list > sin...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sinhala-technical > > |
From: Harshula <har...@gm...> - 2009-03-02 05:18:42
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Hi Harsha, On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 08:48 +0530, harsha wijayawardhana wrote: > I have been told of certain problems creation of font rules using GPOS > by Dinesha on linux. I have been looking into these problems at > present. Dinesha has already mentioned to me she is having some problems with fontforge, I'm still awaiting a screenshot. I have made contact with the freefont maintainer and introduced Anuradha to him. The freefont maintainer seems to be an expert and should be able to help Dinesha, but we need a screenshot first. > Could we talk to this person or persons regarding their problems if > they really have one since we could see collectively what to do or > even to ammend sls 1134 It's not a technical problem with SLS 1134, it's a procedural problem in getting one individual to recognise SLS1134:Part2. cya, # |
From: Aruni G. <ar...@ic...> - 2009-03-02 05:39:42
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Hi Dineesha, will you please send a screenshot? Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Harshula [mailto:har...@gm...] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:49 AM To: harsha wijayawardhana Cc: Ruwan Weerasinghe; sin...@li...; Anuradha Ratnaweera; Gihan Dias; Wasantha Deshapriya; Aruni Goonetilleke Subject: Re: [sinhala-technical] URGENT: SCCII Part 2: Requirements and Methods of Test Hi Harsha, On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 08:48 +0530, harsha wijayawardhana wrote: > I have been told of certain problems creation of font rules using GPOS > by Dinesha on linux. I have been looking into these problems at > present. Dinesha has already mentioned to me she is having some problems with fontforge, I'm still awaiting a screenshot. I have made contact with the freefont maintainer and introduced Anuradha to him. The freefont maintainer seems to be an expert and should be able to help Dinesha, but we need a screenshot first. > Could we talk to this person or persons regarding their problems if > they really have one since we could see collectively what to do or > even to ammend sls 1134 It's not a technical problem with SLS 1134, it's a procedural problem in getting one individual to recognise SLS1134:Part2. cya, # |