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Re: [simspark-devel] [Rc-ss3d-tc] Simulator version Eindhoven
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From: Hedayat V. <hed...@gm...> - 2013-06-13 09:16:44
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That's fine with me, I can do that if there are no objections. We might create several variations of each type too. There are two limits for using heterogeneous players for each team now: teams can use up to 3 players of a single hetero type, and up to 9 hetero players in total. The limits can be configured too. /*Klaus Dorer <kla...@hs...>*/ wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:04:49 +0200: > Yes, it would be good if you, Hedayat, could throw the dice to create > values in the range I have sent and copied below and publish the files > as soon as possible. That way no team has the advantage of knowing the > values before the other. Thank you! > > My suggestions for the value areas (min change, max change) are as > follows: > Type1 LongLeg (2cm, 6cm) (split in half at the hip, half at the Ankle) > Type2 FastFoot (1 deg/s, 3 deg/s), meaning instead of a value of > 6.1395 at least 7.13 and at most 9.13 for pitch and 5.13 to 3.13 for roll. > > Greetings > Klaus > > Am 13.06.2013 00:06, schrieb Patrick MacAlpine: >> OK. I thought it was decided that the robot types would be released >> 2 weeks before the competition (which we're now within) and that it >> would be by someone not on a team (Hedayat for example). This is >> based on the email exchanges from a different email thread which I >> have pasted below. >> - Patrick >> >> ----------------------------- >> Agree on both points. >> No new foul rules applied, just visualization. >> Two weeks announcement is also fine with me. >> >> Greetings >> Klaus >> >> Am 23.05.2013 08:44, schrieb Patrick MacAlpine: >> >>> The penalty detection stuff I put together was a quick prototype of >>> the system that Klaus had suggested and should probably be looked at >>> a little and tuned before using it in a competition. While I think >>> it's fine to show possible fouls, I might be hesitant to have >>> referees acting on them -- as a likely referee at this year's >>> competition I'd rather not have to be making such judgment calls >>> myself:) >>> >>> I like the suggestions for new Nao types. I doubt many teams will >>> use them however if only given them a week in advance. I think it >>> might be better to give them out closer to two weeks before the >>> competition in order to give teams more time to experiment with them >>> and possibly integrate them into their teams. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Klaus Dorer >>> <kla...@hs... <mailto:kla...@hs...>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Sander, >>> >>> good to see things develop :-) >>> >>> The TC has decided to postpone the rule changes to next year, >>> since they had not been tested early enough. >>> But as you say, we could add the changes to only display how the >>> rules would be applied, at least in the early rounds of the >>> tournament. This will give a good impression as to whether the >>> current implementation is too rigid or too loose or just fitting. >>> >>> Of course this makes me greedy. Since you are in that matter >>> now: would it be easy to make an extension that allows us to >>> distinguish heterogeneous players in roboviz. E.g. by changing >>> the leg or feet colors slightly? >>> >>> Hedayat is right that we have not finally decided on the number >>> of heterogeneous players. I suggest to allow at most 3 players >>> of each new type and at most 11 standard Naos as has been the >>> case. Also I suggest to have no more than 3 new types, so that >>> at least 2 standard Naos have to be used. So far I know of only >>> two suggestions for alternate types, the two we tested at the >>> German Open. One with faster ankle pitch, but slower ankle roll. >>> The other with longer upper leg and, as a result from the test >>> at German Open, also longer upper arms. Any other type suggestions? >>> We should announce the final types roughly one week ahead of the >>> competition say the 17th of June? >>> Since our team is planning to use them I further suggest that >>> this is done by someone else. Hedayat? I think the types should >>> be used as suggested, but the actual values for the deviations >>> should be randomly generated. The values should be generated so >>> that they are at least x% higher than standard but at most y%. I >>> can specify reasonable x and y values for the two types above, >>> but am happy to have your suggestions. >>> >>> Greetings >>> Klaus >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah >> <hed...@gm... <mailto:hed...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for testing the packages. But I can't answer your >> questions. Justin will probably update RoboViz soon, and the >> latter should be announced by OC. But it is not going to be part >> of 0.6.7 release. They will release a naorobottypes.rb for >> RoboCup 2013 separately. >> >> Good luck, >> Hedayat >> >> >> /*Patrick MacAlpine <pa...@gm...> >> <mailto:pa...@gm...>*/ wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:27:00 -0500: >>> I am able to compile, install, and run the packages successfully >>> on Ubuntu 12.04.� Has RoboViz been updated to show the reported >>> fouls yet?� Also when will naorobottypes.rb be updated with the >>> models for this year's competition? >>> >>> - Patrick >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah >>> <hed...@gm... <mailto:hed...@gm...>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> Please test the following packages and let me know if there >>> are any problems compiling, installing or running the packages: >>> http://hedayat.fedorapeople.org/misc/simspark-0.2.4.tar.gz >>> http://hedayat.fedorapeople.org/misc/rcssserver3d-0.6.7.tar.gz >>> >>> Regards, >>> Hedayat >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> I'm preparing the release and Sander's commit was just on >>>> time ;). Actually, I've put a test release of simspark at >>>> [1], and I'll put rcssserver3d release there too soon. It'd >>>> be nice if you test the release file to see if they work >>>> fine. I prefer to release them ASAP, since we are already late. >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot Sander. I'll try to test. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Hedayat >>>> >>>> [1] http://hedayat.fedorapeople.org/misc/ >>>> >>>> /*Sander van Dijk <sgv...@gm...> >>>> <mailto:sgv...@gm...>*/ wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2013 >>>> 12:31:58 +0200: >>>>> I have integrated and committed them. Did some tests, but >>>>> please test as well. If you run it, plus roboviz with the >>>>> attached patch (note this is slightly different than the >>>>> earlier one, because there is a new foul), you will see a >>>>> lot of yellow cards come by. I foresee we will turn it off >>>>> soon in the competition :) but at least there is some >>>>> feedback, and bit easier to configure and tweak. >>>>> >>>>> Sander >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9 June 2013 20:44, Hedayat Vatankhah >>>>> <hed...@gm... <mailto:hed...@gm...>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sander, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /*Sander van Dijk <sgv...@gm...> >>>>> <mailto:sgv...@gm...>*/ wrote on Sun, 9 Jun >>>>> 2013 18:55:44 +0100: >>>>>> Hi Hedayat, >>>>>> >>>>>> My idea was indeed to have the yellow/red selection >>>>>> made in RoboViz, where non-penalized fouls are shown >>>>>> with yellow, penalized with red. If you think it's >>>>>> easier, I can integrate them; would be able to do >>>>>> that tomorrow. >>>>> Yes, it'd be great if you integrate them. :) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Hedayat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have any further pending changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sander >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 June 2013 20:37, Hedayat Vatankhah >>>>>> <hed...@gm... <mailto:hed...@gm...>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sander, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /*Sander van Dijk <sgv...@gm...> >>>>>> <mailto:sgv...@gm...>*/ wrote on Wed, 22 >>>>>> May 2013 16:25:20 +0100: >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With just over a month to go, I guess it's time >>>>>>> to put a release together for the simulator >>>>>>> version for Eindhoven. I just committed >>>>>>> something I wanted in there: the ability to send >>>>>>> foul information to the monitor. Attached is a >>>>>>> quick (and a bit dirty) patch to make this >>>>>>> information visible in RoboViz; you should get a >>>>>>> list underneath the top bar showing fouls for 10 >>>>>>> seconds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With this, my suggestion is to put Patrick's >>>>>>> rule implementations into the new version, but >>>>>>> have no automatic penalization on them. Instead, >>>>>>> the foul is shown in the monitor (with a yellow >>>>>>> card instead of a red card), and the human >>>>>>> referee can decide on the action to take. Even >>>>>>> if we ignore them in the end, it should still >>>>>>> give us an idea of how reasonable the calls are >>>>>>> in a tournament. >>>>>> I had a quick look to your changes in >>>>>> rcssserver3d, but I don't know how the color of >>>>>> the card is determined. How should we do it in >>>>>> rcssserver3d? Do you propose to decide about the >>>>>> color inside the monitor (e.g. Roboviz) by >>>>>> sending foul type but not adding an agent's foul >>>>>> counter? >>>>>> I wanted to integrate Patrick's implementation >>>>>> but I'm not sure about the details. >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. I'd like to prepare the release in a few >>>>>> days (hopefully 2-3). Please let me know if there >>>>>> are any pending changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Hedayat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to your opinins. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Hedayat: you have the most experience putting a >>>>>>> release together, would you have time to do this >>>>>>> in the near future? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sander >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Adaptive Systems Research Group >>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>> University of Hertfordshire >>>>>>> United Kingdom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> rc-ss3d-tc mailing list >>>>>>> rc-...@li... <mailto:rc-...@li...> >>>>>>> http://lists.robocup.org/listinfo.cgi/rc-ss3d-tc-robocup.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Adaptive Systems Research Group >>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>> University of Hertfordshire >>>>>> United Kingdom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adaptive Systems Research Group >>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>> University of Hertfordshire >>>>> United Kingdom >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: >>> >>> Build for Windows Store. >>> >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Simspark Generic Physical MAS Simulator >>> simspark-devel mailing list >>> sim...@li... >>> <mailto:sim...@li...> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/simspark-devel >>> >>> >> >> > |
