Re: [simspark-devel] [Rc-ss3d-tc] Simulator version Eindhoven

[Klaus D. <kla...@hs...>]

Hello Sander,

good to see things develop :-)

The TC has decided to postpone the rule changes to next year, since they 
had not been tested early enough.
But as you say, we could add the changes to only display how the rules 
would be applied, at least in the early rounds of the tournament. This 
will give a good impression as to whether the current implementation is 
too rigid or too loose or just fitting.

Of course this makes me greedy. Since you are in that matter now: would 
it be easy to make an extension that allows us to distinguish 
heterogeneous players in roboviz. E.g. by changing the leg or feet 
colors slightly?

Hedayat is right that we have not finally decided on the number of 
heterogeneous players. I suggest to allow at most 3 players of each new 
type and at most 11 standard Naos as has been the case. Also I suggest 
to have no more than 3 new types, so that at least 2 standard Naos have 
to be used. So far I know of only two suggestions for alternate types, 
the two we tested at the German Open. One with faster ankle pitch, but 
slower ankle roll. The other with longer upper leg and, as a result from 
the test at German Open, also longer upper arms. Any other type suggestions?
We should announce the final types roughly one week ahead of the 
competition say the 17th of June?
Since our team is planning to use them I further suggest that this is 
done by someone else. Hedayat? I think the types should be used as 
suggested, but the actual values for the deviations should be randomly 
generated. The values should be generated so that they are at least x% 
higher than standard but at most y%. I can specify reasonable x and y 
values for the two types above, but am happy to have your suggestions.

Greetings
Klaus


Am 22.05.2013 20:48, schrieb Hedayat Vatankhah:
> Hi Sander,
> I'll add Patrick's code, and a small code to check the rules for 
> heterogeneous players. However, what are the rules for 2013? Is there 
> a limitation on the number of hetero agents of each type? What about 
> the total number of hetero players for a team?
>
> About the release, sure I'll do it.
>
> Regards,
> Hedayat
>
>
> /*Sander van Dijk <sgv...@gm...>*/ wrote on Wed, 22 May 2013 
> 16:25:20 +0100:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> With just over a month to go, I guess it's time to put a release 
>> together for the simulator version for Eindhoven. I just committed 
>> something I wanted in there: the ability to send foul information to 
>> the monitor. Attached is a quick (and a bit dirty) patch to make this 
>> information visible in RoboViz; you should get a list underneath the 
>> top bar showing fouls for 10 seconds.
>>
>> With this, my suggestion is to put Patrick's rule implementations 
>> into the new version, but have no automatic penalization on them. 
>> Instead, the foul is shown in the monitor (with a yellow card instead 
>> of a red card), and the human referee can decide on the action to 
>> take. Even if we ignore them in the end, it should still give us an 
>> idea of how reasonable the calls are in a tournament.
>>
>> Looking forward to your opinins.
>>
>> @Hedayat: you have the most experience putting a release together, 
>> would you have time to do this in the near future?
>>
>> Sander
>>
>>
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