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Re: [simspark-devel] Field size
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From: Hedayat V. <hed...@ai...> - 2009-12-19 17:59:34
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi again!<br> According to some discussions between IranOpen and GermanOpen people, 18x12 seems to be a good option. Any comments?<br> What about the goal size?<br> Yes, I think the goal area should be enlarged with the same proportion. <br> <br> Thanks,<br> Hedayat<br> <br> On ۰۹/۱۲/۱۵ 02:28, Sander van Dijk wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:efd...@ma..." type="cite">If we take those proportions, the field is still smaller than our current size of 12x8m (11.5 * 0.5 < 8, 23 * 0.5 < 12). How about 20x10? This has connection with real rules as half of a real indoor field and (about) doubles the surface of the field, which makes sense when doubling the amount of players.<br> <br> I am not sure if the goal should be made much bigger, if it's too big keepers will have too much trouble blocking a ball. But if we want to be consistent with the indoor football/futsal dimensions [1], which say the goal should be 3m wide, we can increase it to 1.5m perhaps.<br> <br> Another issue, which Klaus brought up, is the goal area. Firstly, the size. I guess we just grow it in proportion to the rest of the field? And secondly, we probably want to put some rules in place to prevent pile ups of robots in front of the goal. The kid size league for instance has the illegal defence/offense rule, which states that you can' t have more than 1 player in the goal area for longer than 10 seconds. Klaus suggested a version of this rule increasing the maximum number to 2, which I think is reasonable since our goal area will be bigger than that of the kid size league.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Sander<br> <br> [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.fifa.com/mm/51/44/50/futsal%5flotg%5f2008%5fen.pdf">http://www.fifa.com/mm/51/44/50/futsal%5flotg%5f2008%5fen.pdf</a><br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Hedayat Vatankhah <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hed...@ai...">hed...@ai...</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hi,<br> Thank you for the feedback. AFAIK the unit of our field is in meters, so there is no problem with that. The only problem that might be in using the official size is that NAO robots are about 50cm in height which is less than 1/3 of the height of real players, so maybe we should define the field size according to that ?!<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <font color="#888888">Hedayat</font> <div> <div class="h5"><br> <br> <br> On ۰۹/۱۲/۱۵ 12:22, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ah...@un..." target="_blank">ah...@un...</a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>Hi, Since 6 vs 6 games are used for indoor soccer competitions, why not use official regulations from these matches? The DFB defines the size of an indoor soccer field as 20m x 40m. If metres are hard to represent in ODE, maybe you should use the size of Nao as a landmark and adjust the size of the soccer field to him. If we assume Nao to be about 177cm in height, the field should be 11.5 times as wide as him and 23 times as long as him. I have no idea if these settings would work, but at least then you'd be very close to real-life proportions for 6 vs 6 matches. As for the goals, they should be 2m high and either 3 or 5 metres wide (that's what the rules say, you can choose). I hope this helps, Andreas </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>IranOpen 2010 competitions are coming, and we are preparing for that competitions. For that competitions we are going to have 6 vs 6 games, as Khashayar has tested the latest server with the external monitor on a separate system and it seems that we can run 6 vs 6 games. Khashayar noticed that the current field size is too small for 12 players, and he proposes to increase the field size. <br> IMHO, as the number of players is going to be twice as before, we can double the size of the field. Also it might be appropriate to increase the length of the goal (may be twice the current size?).<br> <br> What do you think about it?<br> <br> Another thing: as the current SVN includes some useful changes, and to make teams get used to using the external monitor, I think it is nice to have a new minor version release after adjusting the field size. Any comments?<br> Also if there are any small changes which you'd like to have in this release, please let me know. 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