From: Sander v. R. <san...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 14:09:53
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I've been working at a client the last month and things have been way too busy for me to contribute to sharpos.. (or give enough attention to my family) but from next week on (i hope) i'll have more time to spend on sharpos once again. (and my family ;)) I noticed the complete overhaul in the repository.. wow, lots of changes looks good :) too bad it doesn't run too well tough :-/ but i guess that will be fixed soon.. I spend a little time on sharpws, cleaned things a bit up so that it actually compiles ;) still doesn't run tough. I was thinking tough.. right now sharpws has a library called sharpws and an executable called sharpws-server.. now it's not entirely clear, but it looks like the library has some client and common code.. maybe it's better to have 3 parts instead of 2; the client, the server and the host. The host is basically the actuall machine, the hardware if you will.. here are all the things that the client / server have in common and where they get all their resources from. The client and server parts only handle the protocol part of it all basically. This way it should also be simpler to have multiple servers and multiple clients, which could be usefull at some point. I'm also really concerned about font rendering, i did a bit of research into it a while ago and to say it's complicated is an understatement.. it's a whole research field on it's own! I think it's best to use bitmapped fonts for a while, and maybe eventually try to port (eek!) something like freetype to get proper font rendering working.. Also, i looked at the keymapping part and i realized that besides numlock mode is basically more or less the same (from a keymapping pov) as capslock mode. Also, the meanings of some keys are also different when you press ctrl, like pause/break etc. Which just makes me feel that key maps might need to be more flexible and handle as much 'modes' as they need. I haven't put much tought in it tough, just made the observation. I'm sure you all the papers on singularity, they have some interesting ideas on having driver manifests that define which ports/irq/dma's etc. the drivers use.. Which helps automatically check at install time if drivers would have conflicts, and helps port/irq/dma resource management.. Shouldn't be too hard to implement something simular using stubs and attributes.. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 14:30:12
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Ok pulled down the SVN tree. ISP is playing around with connection today so it took some time after some resets. Anyways... I have a few issues and suspicions but will try to dig for myself first before bothering you guys. But the first thing I'd like to bring up for discussion... The name SharpOS. I think that as a name itself its ok. But I think there are some issues with it. 1) Is this OS really tied to C#? Or IMO its more .NET. So SharpOS is a misnomer. NETOS, or ILOS would be more appropriate. Granted I don't like either one, but I have presented them as an example. CLROS is best of my initial ideas. But point is moot because of point #2. 2) I don't think it makes sense to name an OS based on what it is written in. Should Windows be COS? Linux CPPOS (granted its kernel is C, not C++), etc... I think its better to name it after its goals, or something the OS identifies with or does. DOS was clear - managing disks. Windows is clear. Linux is clear (Linus Unix). As far as what to name it - well I have some ideas what I would name it, but it depends if you guys have clear goals besides just making a .NET/IL/CLR based system. Aside from running on managed code - what are your goals? Im not trying to rock the boat here, but I think its worth discussion. -- Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu "Programming is an art form that fights back" http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 14:44:00
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I have previously brought up this topic when I first joined about two months ago. We essentially agreed to disagree. Previously, I was working on writing the design specs for my CLR-based OS, which I named Ensemble (I'm the author of that "400-page" paper, which is more really like 20 something. And it was written two years ago as a final-semester independent research project right before graduation). While I'm a software guy, I have a heavy musical background, and Ensemble seemed an appropriate name (microkernel, where multiple different pieces are working together). I, too, disagree with the FooOS type naming scheme. As was argued at the time, there have been appropriately "popular" FooOSs, such as AmigaOS, BeOS, and of course MacOS. However, none of those were really well marketed in the general public sense, save maybe MacOS. But even then, people are more inclined in the marketing sense to the Apple name, rather than the MacOS name. MacOS became popular as a side-effect of the Apple branding popularity. But who knows whether anyone wants to dig this argument back up. --S Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: > Ok pulled down the SVN tree. ISP is playing around with connection today so > it took some time after some resets. > > Anyways... I have a few issues and suspicions but will try to dig for myself > first before bothering you guys. But the first thing I'd like to bring up > for discussion... > > The name SharpOS. I think that as a name itself its ok. But I think there > are some issues with it. > > 1) Is this OS really tied to C#? Or IMO its more .NET. So SharpOS is a > misnomer. NETOS, or ILOS would be more appropriate. Granted I don't like > either one, but I have presented them as an example. CLROS is best of my > initial ideas. But point is moot because of point #2. > > 2) I don't think it makes sense to name an OS based on what it is written > in. Should Windows be COS? Linux CPPOS (granted its kernel is C, not C++), > etc... I think its better to name it after its goals, or something the OS > identifies with or does. DOS was clear - managing disks. Windows is clear. > Linux is clear (Linus Unix). > > As far as what to name it - well I have some ideas what I would name it, but > it depends if you guys have clear goals besides just making a .NET/IL/CLR > based system. Aside from running on managed code - what are your goals? > > Im not trying to rock the boat here, but I think its worth discussion. > > -- > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu > "Programming is an art form that fights back" > http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ > http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ > http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 14:52:31
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> on writing the design specs for my CLR-based OS, which I named Ensemble > (I'm the author of that "400-page" paper, which is more really like 20 Is it available somewhere for reading? > time, there have been appropriately "popular" FooOSs, such as AmigaOS, > BeOS, and of course MacOS. However, none of those were really well > marketed in the general public sense, save maybe MacOS. But even then, > people are more inclined in the marketing sense to the Apple name, > rather than the MacOS name. MacOS became popular as a side-effect of Mac etc at least arent tied to what its made in. A "disconnected" name in fact is easier. > But who knows whether anyone wants to dig this argument back up. How many active people do we have here? How is the team structured? How are disputes resolved? Are there formal rules for such things? |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:02:15
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> on writing the design specs for my CLR-based OS, which I named Ensemble >> (I'm the author of that "400-page" paper, which is more really like 20 >> > > Is it available somewhere for reading? > > http://members.simunex.com/sbalmos/CosmOS.pdf (heh, notice I fell into the FooOS trap also before letting the business admin minor part of my degree kick in). >> time, there have been appropriately "popular" FooOSs, such as AmigaOS, >> BeOS, and of course MacOS. However, none of those were really well >> marketed in the general public sense, save maybe MacOS. But even then, >> people are more inclined in the marketing sense to the Apple name, >> rather than the MacOS name. MacOS became popular as a side-effect of >> > > Mac etc at least arent tied to what its made in. A "disconnected" name in > fact is easier. > > >> But who knows whether anyone wants to dig this argument back up. >> > > How many active people do we have here? How is the team structured? How are > disputes resolved? Are there formal rules for such things? > > By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the group's site at http://sharpos.sf.net , with some tickets and some milestones in. But trunk commit is wide open. No real API design docs, no overall architecture diagram, etc aside from the textual writeups on the website. I've been taking my time trying to design the VM / runtime before I code. And I don't even commit to my local branch in the repository until my code's runnable. Which is why you won't see anything in my local branch yet. :) |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:21:00
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> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team > structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the > group's site at http://sharpos.sf.net , with some tickets and some I've had experience running large open source projects for over 10 years. Some projects ran over 100 developers at times. Indy is probably the largest. You can check it out in Wikipedia, or just search for it. Its probably the most widely used socket library in existence, as well as the most comprehensive. Its Delphi based, but many companies actually use Delphi just for that specific purpose to get access to Indy. Its used by many of the government agencies of the world, the UN, ECB, Nasa, and the list goes on. Borland also integrated it directly into Delphi 5+ years ago and ditched their own socket libraries in favor of Indy. They even began to use it for Delphi itself and rewrote Delphi's web services to be based on it. You can Google it to verify my claims. My point is - that we should not run this project exactly the same. But I have a lot of insight into this and I suggest that its something we should think about before the project gets too big. Conflict resolution, team structure, procedures etc. it doesn't have to be super formal, but something as a base MUST be in place for a project to succeed. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:21:44
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> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team > structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of course besides Singularity. |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:26:53
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There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember names though.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name >> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team >> structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the > > Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of > course besides Singularity. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:28:47
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Matthijs ter Woord wrote: > There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember > names though.... > JNode (http://www.jnode.org). Given that my primary language is Java, I have *extensively* studied it. There are others, but JNode is the farthest along (as in it actually boots and gives you a console / pseudo-GUI). |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:29:43
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Found it. JNode and JavaOS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthijs ter Woord" <mat...@gm...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember > names though.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> > To: <sha...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > > >>> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team >>> structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the >> >> Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of >> course besides Singularity. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SharpOS-Developers mailing list >> Sha...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:32:33
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> There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't > remember > names though.... Might be worth looking at. I respect Java, but consider it to be inferior to .NET and IMO a poor candidate for an OS. Any .NET or other managed based ones? |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:35:46
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IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is a reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name >> There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't >> remember >> names though.... > > Might be worth looking at. I respect Java, but consider it to be inferior > to > .NET and IMO a poor candidate for an OS. Any .NET or other managed based > ones? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:41:23
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> IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is > reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:43:12
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is >> reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) >> > > No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) > > Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM-based language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be released by MSR. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:48:17
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> Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM-based > language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be > released by MSR. Don't expect too much of it. MSR is there to experiment for MS. Sometimes the productize things, sometimes they don't. But MS has this requirement of course of compatibility, so IMO Singularity is there just to see how to make managed code run better and deeper on future Windows. I don't expect Singularity ever to be "released" per se. |
From: Johann M. <jo...@ma...> - 2007-08-28 16:13:40
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They have released the source code to several Universities for research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but I think it would be fascinating to look at. Johann On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM- >> based >> language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be >> released by MSR. > > Don't expect too much of it. MSR is there to experiment for MS. > Sometimes > the productize things, sometimes they don't. But MS has this > requirement of > course of compatibility, so IMO Singularity is there just to see > how to make > managed code run better and deeper on future Windows. I don't expect > Singularity ever to be "released" per se. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 16:18:53
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Johann MacDonagh wrote: > They have released the source code to several Universities for > research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send > my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but > I think it would be fascinating to look at. > > Johann > That'd be all well and good. But you would be tainted then, exposing the project to liability. At least Rotor has, as far as I have always understood it, a license that basically says "you can use whatever you learn from this code for commercial closed purposes. Copying and pasting code is not allowed though". |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 20:49:57
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> That'd be all well and good. But you would be tainted then, exposing > project to liability. At least Rotor has, as far as I have always > understood it, a license that basically says "you can use whatever you Will be interesting to see if the open Singularity more in the future and on what terms. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 16:19:40
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> They have released the source code to several Universities for > research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send > my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but > I think it would be fascinating to look at. Yes in limited release. Would be nice for more public. But what I meant was that its unlikely the will productize it as a release. |
From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 16:46:50
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Hello everyone, I've been following this project for a while now. But I currently have no time to help. Before I stumbled upon SharpOS or even Singularity I had very similar ideas and I started a very basic C++ kernel to learn some of the basics. I got as far as a working console but had to abandon the project due to lack of time. As a student civil engineering in computer sciences we get some classes on the internals of operating systems where I got some practical experience. I did find another project here https://gna.org/projects/mos. I have not been able to test it, but it seems to target embedded applications. Unfortunately development seems to have halted. Kind regards, Pieter Mees PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 17:41 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is > reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 17:07:50
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> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. |
From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 17:13:49
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And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those Microsoft events... Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 17:54:07
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Were you at either of the last 2 dev days in Ghent at the conf center? The last one was in April? or was it March or May? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pieter Mees" <pie...@in...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those > Microsoft events... > > Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF > Zomerstraat 29A > 9270 Laarne > Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 > GSM: 0478 44 96 04 > E-mail: pie...@in... > Site: http://www.insitehosting.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sha...@li... > [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu > Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 > To: sha...@li... > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > >> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. > > I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > |
From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 19:20:49
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No, I'm afraid not. The last one I attended was the Business Innovation Event in Brussels at the end of last year. Our main business is hosting based on the Microsoft platform. So we only attend the major launches for developers (Visual Studio, SQL Server, new .NET Framework versions, ...) Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:54 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name Were you at either of the last 2 dev days in Ghent at the conf center? The=20 last one was in April? or was it March or May? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Pieter Mees" <pie...@in...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those > Microsoft events... > > Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF > Zomerstraat 29A > 9270 Laarne > Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 > GSM: 0478 44 96 04 > E-mail: pie...@in... > Site: http://www.insitehosting.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sha...@li... > [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu > Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 > To: sha...@li... > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > >> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. > > I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 19:25:54
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> No, I'm afraid not. The last one I attended was the Business Innovation > Event in Brussels at the end of last year. Our main business is hosting > based on the Microsoft platform. So we only attend the major launches The DevDays is MS's biggest dev event by far.... This year I did tech sessions as usual but also did the closing session. Your name is still oddly familiar... I cant remember where I know it from. |