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From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 19:20:49
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No, I'm afraid not. The last one I attended was the Business Innovation Event in Brussels at the end of last year. Our main business is hosting based on the Microsoft platform. So we only attend the major launches for developers (Visual Studio, SQL Server, new .NET Framework versions, ...) Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:54 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name Were you at either of the last 2 dev days in Ghent at the conf center? The=20 last one was in April? or was it March or May? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Pieter Mees" <pie...@in...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those > Microsoft events... > > Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF > Zomerstraat 29A > 9270 Laarne > Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 > GSM: 0478 44 96 04 > E-mail: pie...@in... > Site: http://www.insitehosting.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sha...@li... > [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu > Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 > To: sha...@li... > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > >> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. > > I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: JaeHyun R. <wo...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 19:08:45
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Hello, everybody. I've also been following this project for a month ago. :) this is not a CLR based operating system, but I think it's good to mention it. http://sourceforge.net/projects/squeaknos/ squeaknos(Squeak No Operating System). in this project, they are trying to implement OS using only SmallTalk. :) I want to help to develop this SharpOS after I examine the source code. I have experiences for developing OS in C, C++, Assembly etc. and I written two books for writing OS using C(you can see the information for this book in here my blog : http://wonbear.egloos.com/3181423, http://wonbear.egloos.com/3266598) On 8/29/07, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <Ch...@ho...> wrote: > > > IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is > > reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) > > No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 17:54:07
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Were you at either of the last 2 dev days in Ghent at the conf center? The last one was in April? or was it March or May? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pieter Mees" <pie...@in...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those > Microsoft events... > > Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF > Zomerstraat 29A > 9270 Laarne > Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 > GSM: 0478 44 96 04 > E-mail: pie...@in... > Site: http://www.insitehosting.be > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sha...@li... > [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu > Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 > To: sha...@li... > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > >> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. > > I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > |
From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 17:13:49
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And I'm a Microsoft Partner, so maybe we'll meet on one of those Microsoft events... Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 19:08 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 17:07:50
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> PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. I'm in Belgium a few times a year. Usually once a year to Ghent. |
From: Pieter M. <pie...@in...> - 2007-08-28 16:46:50
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Hello everyone, I've been following this project for a while now. But I currently have no time to help. Before I stumbled upon SharpOS or even Singularity I had very similar ideas and I started a very basic C++ kernel to learn some of the basics. I got as far as a working console but had to abandon the project due to lack of time. As a student civil engineering in computer sciences we get some classes on the internals of operating systems where I got some practical experience. I did find another project here https://gna.org/projects/mos. I have not been able to test it, but it seems to target embedded applications. Unfortunately development seems to have halted. Kind regards, Pieter Mees PS: I live in Belgium, near Ghent. Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: pie...@in... Site: http://www.insitehosting.be -----Original Message----- From: sha...@li... [mailto:sha...@li...] On Behalf Of Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Sent: dinsdag 28 augustus 2007 17:41 To: sha...@li... Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is > reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ SharpOS-Developers mailing list Sha...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 16:19:40
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> They have released the source code to several Universities for > research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send > my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but > I think it would be fascinating to look at. Yes in limited release. Would be nice for more public. But what I meant was that its unlikely the will productize it as a release. |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 16:18:53
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Johann MacDonagh wrote: > They have released the source code to several Universities for > research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send > my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but > I think it would be fascinating to look at. > > Johann > That'd be all well and good. But you would be tainted then, exposing the project to liability. At least Rotor has, as far as I have always understood it, a license that basically says "you can use whatever you learn from this code for commercial closed purposes. Copying and pasting code is not allowed though". |
From: Johann M. <jo...@ma...> - 2007-08-28 16:13:40
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They have released the source code to several Universities for research (check out their website). I'm lobbying to get them to send my University a copy. Of course, I would be restricted by an NDA, but I think it would be fascinating to look at. Johann On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM- >> based >> language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be >> released by MSR. > > Don't expect too much of it. MSR is there to experiment for MS. > Sometimes > the productize things, sometimes they don't. But MS has this > requirement of > course of compatibility, so IMO Singularity is there just to see > how to make > managed code run better and deeper on future Windows. I don't expect > Singularity ever to be "released" per se. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:48:17
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> Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM-based > language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be > released by MSR. Don't expect too much of it. MSR is there to experiment for MS. Sometimes the productize things, sometimes they don't. But MS has this requirement of course of compatibility, so IMO Singularity is there just to see how to make managed code run better and deeper on future Windows. I don't expect Singularity ever to be "released" per se. |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:43:12
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is >> reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) >> > > No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) > > Not that I am aware of. The niche arena of OS development in a VM-based language has been enamored over Singularity, hoping that it'd be released by MSR. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:41:23
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> IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is > reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) No one is aware of any CLR based ones though? (Again Singularity aside) |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:35:46
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IIRC, there's something like Inferno or Plan9 too (of which Inferno is a reincarnation of P9 with a runtime thingy like .NET) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name >> There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't >> remember >> names though.... > > Might be worth looking at. I respect Java, but consider it to be inferior > to > .NET and IMO a poor candidate for an OS. Any .NET or other managed based > ones? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:32:33
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> There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't > remember > names though.... Might be worth looking at. I respect Java, but consider it to be inferior to .NET and IMO a poor candidate for an OS. Any .NET or other managed based ones? |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:31:41
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> Cincinnati, more or less. I live on the northern side of town, and work > in Covington, KY, right across the river from downtown. Since I asked - I should respond as well. Im an expat Canadian (left 20+ years ago) based in Eastern Europe. And if you haven't checked my websites, I'm ex/current Microsoft. I'm not an employee anymore, so I'm "ex". But I am a Microsoft Regional Director and nearly all my current work comes from Microsoft in contract work. Im essentially doing the same as I did for MS as an employee, but on more dynamic terms. I do have a Microsoft email. I'm posting this mostly for disclosure so it doesn't come as a surprise later. I am not involved in commercial development at Microsoft however, and I am completely independent to do as I please. So no conflicts of interest.... I do mostly presentations, training (To MS employees, and MS partners), provide advise and input, and act a liaison to open source and other communities. My interest in SharpOS is personal and unrelated to my relationship to Microsoft. |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:29:43
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Found it. JNode and JavaOS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthijs ter Woord" <mat...@gm...> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember > names though.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> > To: <sha...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name > > >>> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team >>> structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the >> >> Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of >> course besides Singularity. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SharpOS-Developers mailing list >> Sha...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:28:47
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Matthijs ter Woord wrote: > There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember > names though.... > JNode (http://www.jnode.org). Given that my primary language is Java, I have *extensively* studied it. There are others, but JNode is the farthest along (as in it actually boots and gives you a console / pseudo-GUI). |
From: Matthijs t. W. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:26:53
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There's a similar project for Java, (more than one iirc), can't remember names though.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <Chad@Hower.org> To: <sha...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name >> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team >> structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the > > Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of > course besides Singularity. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > SharpOS-Developers mailing list > Sha...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sharpos-developers |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:21:44
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> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team > structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the Also is anyone aware of any similar projects? Open source or other. Of course besides Singularity. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:21:00
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> By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team > structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the > group's site at http://sharpos.sf.net , with some tickets and some I've had experience running large open source projects for over 10 years. Some projects ran over 100 developers at times. Indy is probably the largest. You can check it out in Wikipedia, or just search for it. Its probably the most widely used socket library in existence, as well as the most comprehensive. Its Delphi based, but many companies actually use Delphi just for that specific purpose to get access to Indy. Its used by many of the government agencies of the world, the UN, ECB, Nasa, and the list goes on. Borland also integrated it directly into Delphi 5+ years ago and ditched their own socket libraries in favor of Indy. They even began to use it for Delphi itself and rewrote Delphi's web services to be based on it. You can Google it to verify my claims. My point is - that we should not run this project exactly the same. But I have a lot of insight into this and I suggest that its something we should think about before the project gets too big. Conflict resolution, team structure, procedures etc. it doesn't have to be super formal, but something as a base MUST be in place for a project to succeed. |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:20:14
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: > Also again. :) > > Could everyone enumerate where they are located? :) > > Cincinnati, more or less. I live on the northern side of town, and work in Covington, KY, right across the river from downtown. |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:17:22
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Also again. :) Could everyone enumerate where they are located? :) |
From: Chad Z. H. a. K. <Chad@Hower.org> - 2007-08-28 15:17:03
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> Just to throw in my 2cts; > ....anyone noticed that the abbreviation of SharpOS is S.O.S.? Yep. I noticed it by accident when I considered other names that came up SOS also. |
From: Sander v. R. <san...@gm...> - 2007-08-28 15:09:01
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Just to throw in my 2cts; ....anyone noticed that the abbreviation of SharpOS is S.O.S.? |
From: Scott B. <sb...@me...> - 2007-08-28 15:02:15
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> on writing the design specs for my CLR-based OS, which I named Ensemble >> (I'm the author of that "400-page" paper, which is more really like 20 >> > > Is it available somewhere for reading? > > http://members.simunex.com/sbalmos/CosmOS.pdf (heh, notice I fell into the FooOS trap also before letting the business admin minor part of my degree kick in). >> time, there have been appropriately "popular" FooOSs, such as AmigaOS, >> BeOS, and of course MacOS. However, none of those were really well >> marketed in the general public sense, save maybe MacOS. But even then, >> people are more inclined in the marketing sense to the Apple name, >> rather than the MacOS name. MacOS became popular as a side-effect of >> > > Mac etc at least arent tied to what its made in. A "disconnected" name in > fact is easier. > > >> But who knows whether anyone wants to dig this argument back up. >> > > How many active people do we have here? How is the team structured? How are > disputes resolved? Are there formal rules for such things? > > By my count, I think 6 including you? There is no current team structure, build master, etc that I know of. There is Trac, at the group's site at http://sharpos.sf.net , with some tickets and some milestones in. But trunk commit is wide open. No real API design docs, no overall architecture diagram, etc aside from the textual writeups on the website. I've been taking my time trying to design the VM / runtime before I code. And I don't even commit to my local branch in the repository until my code's runnable. Which is why you won't see anything in my local branch yet. :) |