From: Daniel F. <li...@da...> - 2009-11-19 08:45:21
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Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards migrating Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will soon be standardly included into MediaWiki. So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 different javascript libraries is unnecessary. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] |
From: Yaron K. <ya...@gm...> - 2009-11-22 20:53:59
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Hi, Yes, this is planned for SF, for the reason you note - it was actually mentioned in my "planned changes" talk at SMW Camp [1] (page 6). SF also uses the Floatbox Javascript library for file uploading, which I also hope to move over to jQuery if possible. Similarly, Semantic Drilldown uses the Ext library for comboboxes, and I hope to move that to jQuery as well. I should note that I have no immediate plans to do this, and also no special knowledge of jQuery yet; so if you or anyone else wants to help with the move-over, please just let me know. [1] http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/0/05/SMW_Camp_-_Planned_changes_-_Yaron.pdf -Yaron On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Friesen <li...@da...>wrote: > Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards migrating > Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? > > The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will soon be > standardly included into MediaWiki. > > So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 > different javascript libraries is unnecessary. > > -- > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > |
From: Sergey C. <ser...@gm...> - 2009-11-22 21:08:59
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Any idea why jQuery was decided to be the library of choice? Was there any analysis done for it? Or you guys just picked the hottest latest thing? Just curious, really. Sergey On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@gm...> wrote: > Hi, > > Yes, this is planned for SF, for the reason you note - it was actually > mentioned in my "planned changes" talk at SMW Camp [1] (page 6). SF also > uses the Floatbox Javascript library for file uploading, which I also hope > to move over to jQuery if possible. > > Similarly, Semantic Drilldown uses the Ext library for comboboxes, and I > hope to move that to jQuery as well. > > I should note that I have no immediate plans to do this, and also no > special knowledge of jQuery yet; so if you or anyone else wants to help with > the move-over, please just let me know. > > [1] > http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/0/05/SMW_Camp_-_Planned_changes_-_Yaron.pdf > > -Yaron > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Friesen <li...@da...>wrote: > >> Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards migrating >> Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? >> >> The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will soon be >> standardly included into MediaWiki. >> >> So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 >> different javascript libraries is unnecessary. >> >> -- >> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > |
From: Daniel F. <li...@da...> - 2009-11-23 22:13:18
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FWIW, Wikia did some "analysis" in the past and chose YUI back then. Since then they've re-evaluated that, and had already switched to jQuery before the Usability initiative even started up. jQuery does do the job. It's lightweight, simple, and easy to use for most of the things you want to do. Trying to do ajax with YUI was extremely painful in the past, while with jQuery I've been able to write a number of good things on Wikia. I even rewrote show/hide to use jQuery cutting it's size in half from 200lines to 100 and adding on a number of improvements. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] Sergey Chernyshev wrote: > Any idea why jQuery was decided to be the library of choice? Was there > any analysis done for it? > Or you guys just picked the hottest latest thing? Just curious, really. > > Sergey > > > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@gm... > <mailto:ya...@gm...>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes, this is planned for SF, for the reason you note - it was > actually mentioned in my "planned changes" talk at SMW Camp [1] > (page 6). SF also uses the Floatbox Javascript library for file > uploading, which I also hope to move over to jQuery if possible. > > Similarly, Semantic Drilldown uses the Ext library for comboboxes, > and I hope to move that to jQuery as well. > > I should note that I have no immediate plans to do this, and also > no special knowledge of jQuery yet; so if you or anyone else wants > to help with the move-over, please just let me know. > > [1] http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/0/05/SMW_Camp_-_Planned_changes_-_Yaron.pdf > > -Yaron > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Friesen > <li...@da... > <mailto:li...@da...>> wrote: > > Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards > migrating > Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? > > The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will > soon be > standardly included into MediaWiki. > > So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 > different javascript libraries is unnecessary. > > -- > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) > [http://daniel.friesen.name <http://daniel.friesen.name/>] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal > Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment > - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new > with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > <mailto:Sem...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports > 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - > and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > <mailto:Sem...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Sem...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > |
From: Yaron K. <ya...@gm...> - 2009-11-22 21:41:42
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I had absolutely no say in the choice; but I have talked about it with the Wikimedia Foundation Javascript people (including Michael Dale, who I believe is on this list - feel free to jump in here, Michael); and there seemed to be a consensus that jQuery is the most powerful-yet-lightweight of the major Javascript libraries. People talked about it in the glowing tones that I've usually heard reserved for Python and Ruby. And for what it's worth, one of the Javascript people is a former Yahoo! developer who thought that YUI had become too bloated. I'm just passing on what I heard here; don't blame the messenger. :) -Yaron On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Sergey Chernyshev < ser...@gm...> wrote: > Any idea why jQuery was decided to be the library of choice? Was there any > analysis done for it? > Or you guys just picked the hottest latest thing? Just curious, really. > > Sergey > > > > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, this is planned for SF, for the reason you note - it was actually >> mentioned in my "planned changes" talk at SMW Camp [1] (page 6). SF also >> uses the Floatbox Javascript library for file uploading, which I also hope >> to move over to jQuery if possible. >> >> Similarly, Semantic Drilldown uses the Ext library for comboboxes, and I >> hope to move that to jQuery as well. >> >> I should note that I have no immediate plans to do this, and also no >> special knowledge of jQuery yet; so if you or anyone else wants to help with >> the move-over, please just let me know. >> >> [1] >> http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/0/05/SMW_Camp_-_Planned_changes_-_Yaron.pdf >> >> -Yaron >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Friesen <li...@da... >> > wrote: >> >>> Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards migrating >>> Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? >>> >>> The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will soon be >>> standardly included into MediaWiki. >>> >>> So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 >>> different javascript libraries is unnecessary. >>> >>> -- >>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>> focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >>> Sem...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >> Sem...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >> >> > |
From: Sergey C. <ser...@gm...> - 2009-11-23 00:52:57
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OK, no blame on the messanger, but the tone behind Python and Ruby is exactly why I'm worried about it ;) Nothing bad about those two languages, but I have a feeling that glowing tone is attributed not only to the language / library qualities. At least, not necessarily to those that are needed. Still, this is my feeling, not necessarily correct one ;) Sergey -- Sergey Chernyshev http://www.sergeychernyshev.com/ On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@gm...> wrote: > I had absolutely no say in the choice; but I have talked about it with the > Wikimedia Foundation Javascript people (including Michael Dale, who I > believe is on this list - feel free to jump in here, Michael); and there > seemed to be a consensus that jQuery is the most powerful-yet-lightweight of > the major Javascript libraries. People talked about it in the glowing tones > that I've usually heard reserved for Python and Ruby. And for what it's > worth, one of the Javascript people is a former Yahoo! developer who thought > that YUI had become too bloated. I'm just passing on what I heard here; > don't blame the messenger. :) > > -Yaron > > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Sergey Chernyshev < > ser...@gm...> wrote: > >> Any idea why jQuery was decided to be the library of choice? Was there any >> analysis done for it? >> Or you guys just picked the hottest latest thing? Just curious, really. >> >> Sergey >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes, this is planned for SF, for the reason you note - it was actually >>> mentioned in my "planned changes" talk at SMW Camp [1] (page 6). SF also >>> uses the Floatbox Javascript library for file uploading, which I also hope >>> to move over to jQuery if possible. >>> >>> Similarly, Semantic Drilldown uses the Ext library for comboboxes, and I >>> hope to move that to jQuery as well. >>> >>> I should note that I have no immediate plans to do this, and also no >>> special knowledge of jQuery yet; so if you or anyone else wants to help with >>> the move-over, please just let me know. >>> >>> [1] >>> http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/images/0/05/SMW_Camp_-_Planned_changes_-_Yaron.pdf >>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Daniel Friesen < >>> li...@da...> wrote: >>> >>>> Has there been any discussion, tickets, or thought towards migrating >>>> Semantic Forms (and if it uses YUI anywhere, SMW)? >>>> >>>> The usability initiative / js2 is using jQuery so jQuery will soon be >>>> standardly included into MediaWiki. >>>> >>>> So it would be a good idea to migrate to using jQuery. Loading 2 >>>> different javascript libraries is unnecessary. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>>> 30-Day >>>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>>> focus on >>>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >>>> Sem...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>> focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >>> Sem...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >>> >>> >> > |