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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Annotating in SMW
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From: Yaron K. <ya...@wi...> - 2013-12-17 17:39:07
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Hi, Bernhard - you've made a good case for having annotator functionality within MediaWiki. What you haven't really made a good case for is being able to query that annotation info using SMW, which is the relevant thing here. David - if you want to talk about the general stuff, you should probably start a separate thread for it. :) -Yaron On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Krabina Bernhard <kr...@kd...>wrote: > hmm. short answer: > > As WikiMediaLabs is doing this: > http://annotator.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum it is probably going to be > available in MW installations. Therfore it makes sense to have some > semantification of it (and yes, general semantification is an interesting > topic, the special semantic properties go in this right direction) > > long anwer: > Sometimes I have the feeling that SMW users and devs still have the > semantic encyclopedia in mind. My use cases are far more off this track. > SMW has it's clear strenghts, but for some features, others put up very > quick and sometimes very nice features. e.g. > http://annotateit.org/ > http://etherpad.org/ > > There are many use cases for this and of cource, then the easiest solution > is to use these pieces of software. But if you look at this page > https://github.com/okfn/annotator/wiki you can see a lot of plugins > already available for systems like Drupal. As great as wikis are in general > for many many use cases, for some things there are simpler solutions. to > have these possibilities integrated in the SMW ecosystems seems a worthwile > effort. > > concrete use case i was thinking of: a city releasing agenda items, > protocols, decisions, regulacitons etc. of municipal council meetings on a > wiki. the general public should not be able to edit these, but annotate > them (and rate them). > > regards, > Bernhard > > > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > > > > Hi Yaron! > > > > > > I'm in favor in semantifying everything but here I'd agree with you - > > I don't yet see the usecase where it would be useful to have > > semantified inline comments. Or any comments and discussions, for > > that matter. > > > > > > ----- > > Yury Katkov, WikiVote > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Yaron Koren < ya...@wi... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Bernhard, > > > > > > This seems like a case of the "when you have a hammer, everything > > looks like a nail" principle. :) If the extension used - whether > > it's Annotator or anything else - is keeping annotation information, > > it's presumably using one or more of its own database tables to do > > that. And so the most logical place to put tools to query and > > display that information would be in that extension itself, not via > > SMW. You could make the case for a "Semantic Annotator" extension > > that stores the text directly via SMW, but I don't see the benefit > > in that. The use cases you present are all (not surprisingly) > > self-contained - there's nothing like "show, in a table, all > > annotations for pages about cars from before 1950". So I don't see > > much "synergy" in being able to query everything together. > > > > > > This starts to get into the larger question of whether SMW should be > > able to query any wiki-related data - the so-called > > "semantification" concept - but I would think if we're going to have > > that discussion, we should have that larger discussion, and not tie > > it to this particular feature. > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Krabina Bernhard < kr...@kd... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Great, I didn't know about MashaJS. Is there a test wiki around. In > > the discussion there is a hint that it does not work with > > HeaderTabs... > > > > > > > Which use cases do you have in mind that involved queryable inline > > > comments? > > > > There can be reasons, where > > > > a) I want to have an overview of remarks that users made and the talk > > page and/or version history is too cumbersome, because you have to > > switch around all the time. If you want to ask users for comments on > > a text, a regular wiki is not very usable. annotations are great > > here. > > b) users don't want to/dare to/should not edit the text itself, but > > still should have to possibility to add/enhance/comment on the text > > > > It would be great to have features like: > > * show only annotations of user X on the page > > * show the text with annotations of users X and Y, but not from Z > > * show the users with most annotations > > ... > > > > regards, > > Bernhard > > > > > > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bernhard! > > > Nice extension, reminds me of MashaJS: > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MashaJS > > > > > > > > > Which use cases do you have in mind that involved queryable inline > > > comments? > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Yury Katkov, WikiVote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Krabina Bernhard < > > > kr...@kd... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I just want to draw your attention to an interesting feature > > > currently missing in MW/SMW: the ability to easily annotate a > > > (wiki) > > > document. There are lots of usecases for this and there are some > > > first results. The interesting thing of course would be to make > > > annotations semantic and therfore queryable! > > > > > > If anyone is interested, please look here: > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Annotator > > > > > > (I'm not in any way involved in this, I just stumbled across it and > > > thought it's very interesting). > > > > > > -Bernhard > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. > > > Most > > > IT > > > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application > > > performance > > > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility > > > into > > > your > > > Java,.NET, & PHP application. 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