From: Yaron K. <ya...@wi...> - 2013-05-08 14:01:52
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I suppose that's true... although in practice I've never seen values get prepended with anything other than a namespace. You could have a field containing all subpage names, of course, but I've never seen that done, and on a "semantic" level it doesn't really make sense to do that. On the other hand, maybe that simpler wording would be clearer for users. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Yury Katkov <kat...@gm...> wrote: > > And also given that, a single checkbox that says "Uploadable?" probably > wouldn't be enough - the better option would probably be to have a new form > input for each template field (in the "Edit schema" form) that said > something like "This field always links to pages in this namespace (leave > blank if none): _____". > > Hmm. The caption you've proposed is only about namespaces now. What > about: "Prepend the field value with the following text" ? This way we will > broad the usecase further. > ----- > Yury Katkov, WikiVote > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...> wrote: > >> Hi Yury, >> >> Yes, that's what I was proposing before, but I'm no longer proposing it. >> :) >> >> -Yaron >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Yury Katkov <kat...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> Yaron, I reread your idea but I'm not sure that I got it right >>> Do you propose to automatically add "File:" text in the beginning of >>> uploaded filename like here? >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/MU31Tw9.png >>> >>> ----- >>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Jamie Thingelstad <ja...@th... >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Yaron, >>>> >>>> I agree that having to add the namespace in the template is confusing, >>>> but my initial reaction to adding "File:" if it is set to uploadable is no. >>>> Perhaps I'm being overly pedantic, but I think of a property for a page >>>> that is targeting a different namespace, most commonly I see this with a >>>> User page. If you have a field that you "default=current user" you need to >>>> add the namespace to that to link back to the user page. I realize that's a >>>> little apples and oranges, but still comes to mind for me. Or "values from >>>> namespace=" which if I'm remembering right doesn't prepend the namespace, >>>> also requiring the template to add it. >>>> >>>> So, perhaps it is worth considering more sweeping changes that add >>>> namespace clarification to a lot of things, but that would probably just >>>> introduce equal confusion the other way. >>>> >>>> My $0.02. >>>> Jamie Thingelstad <http://www.thingelstad.com/> >>>> ja...@th... >>>> mobile: 612-810-3699 >>>> find me on AIM Twitter <http://twitter.com/thingles> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/thingles> >>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jthingelstad> >>>> >>>> On May 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> What about my suggestion? >>>> >>>> I'm also curious if anyone else has an opinion on having "uploadable" >>>> fields add the "File:" to file names. This would be a somewhat big change, >>>> so people may have opinions on it one way or another. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Yury Katkov <kat...@gm...>wrote: >>>> >>>>> For now I can just add some lines of code to the form generator: if >>>>> uploadable option is here it will generate [[property::File:filename]] >>>>> instead of just [[property::filename]]. >>>>> >>>>> I've proposed checkbox solution because of the folowing. In my opinion >>>>> Page Schemas can be great visual tool to edit forms and templates very >>>>> quicky. Now the editing of the schema slows because I have to look up tag >>>>> parameters. More buttons, dropdowns and checkboxes could speed up the >>>>> editing process. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Yury, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hm, that's true... I hadn't thought of that. Some checkbox could be >>>>>> added to the Page Schemas form, but maybe the better solution is just to >>>>>> have uploadable fields in SF start adding a "File:" to the beginning of >>>>>> file names they've uploaded. It's something that various people have asked >>>>>> about, but I never took that seriously - I liked the "cleanliness" of not >>>>>> including the namespace, and just having the file name. But maybe that >>>>>> cleanliness is more trouble than it's worth - I know that, even without >>>>>> this Page Schemas issue, the fact that a "File:" needs to be added to the >>>>>> template has caused a considerable amount of confusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main counter-argument might be that this approach is already in >>>>>> place on a lot of wikis, so making a change to the upload setup would >>>>>> require people to change a lot of existing pages; but then again, >>>>>> backward-compatibility can't be a reason to never make a change, and the >>>>>> Replace Text extension might be able to help with that sort of thing anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Yury Katkov <kat...@gm...>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Yaron, all! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's possible now to create uploadable fields in forms via >>>>>>> PageSchemas: we just create a Page property and specifily the field as >>>>>>> uploadable in additional paramerest. There is however an issue. >>>>>>> When I generate the templates I need the File namespace to be added >>>>>>> in front of the filename: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [[someproperty::File:MyCoolPicture.jpg]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead I have the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [[someproperty::MyCoolPicture.jpg]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and my image not appears on the page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yaron, what's your advice on how to better handle that in a >>>>>>> PageSchemas if I want to add this feature? What about adding a checkbox >>>>>>> "uploadable" to the Field definition? >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book >>>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and >>>> their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed >>>> leaders in the field. 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