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Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semediawiki-user] semantic forms + internal objects / subobjects
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From: Michael T. <mic...@gm...> - 2012-06-15 04:56:02
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...> wrote: >> I felt completely unprepared for that particular result. Perhaps at >> that point in the MediWiki documentation, it should say something like >> this? >> >> Please ignore where it says "This page has been deleted. The >> deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference"; >> also ignore the deletion log listed. This is an artifact of (reason >> for it, whatever that reason is.) Yaron: > Maybe that would help; I don't know. I'm quite sure it would. My first reaction was "there's something *still* wrong here." (My first complaint was that the site wasn't even responding.) I didn't even read far enough to see that there was actually a form below. At that point in the text on MediaWiki, the reader has very little preparation for what he/she *should* see. It might be better to move the example to where they have already built up some expectations. > Feel free to add something in if > you think so. Let me think about how to do this. Maybe I'll put the example up on referata.com and get a screengrab from it, for an illustration. > (The deletion log is an artifact of the page having been > created many times by random users coming from the documentation, then > deleted by me.) So you have to fix it up *manually* every time? Better to just freeze a copy of the html. Almost anything would improve on the present situation -- arriving at a page that describes itself as deleted, which I found very confusing -- and I think most people would. -michael turner > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Michael Turner > <mic...@gm...> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> That page is purposely kept deleted; the form is supposed to be blank >>> (though really the example could work either way). The big "deletion >>> log" box at the top is somewhat annoying, though. >> >> I felt completely unprepared for that particular result. Perhaps at >> that point in the MediWiki documentation, it should say something like >> this? >> >> Please ignore where it says "This page has been deleted. The >> deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference"; >> also ignore the deletion log listed. This is an artifact of (reason >> for it, whatever that reason is.) >> >> -michael turner >> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Michael Turner >>> <mic...@gm...> wrote: >>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#Multiple-instance_templates >>>> >>>> contains the link >>>> >>>> http://discoursedb.org/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Item/Example_item >>>> >>>> for illustration, but that page has been deleted. I'll be happy to >>>> substitute some other link if someone can suggest one. >>>> >>>> -michael turner >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Michael Turner >>>> <mic...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#Multiple-instance_templates >>>>> >>>>> The link on "the form that this definition generates" is >>>>> >>>>> http://discoursedb.org/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Item/Example_item >>>>> >>>>> which appears to be broken. I would have fixed it except I don't know >>>>> how. And if there's a better place to report problems like these than >>>>> in private e-mail to you, I'll log it there. >>>>> >>>>> -michael turner >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wi...> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> To answer the 1st and 2nd questions, the key is to put the #subobject or >>>>>> #set_internal call in a template, and then add that template to the form as >>>>>> a multiple-instance template: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms#Multiple-instance_templates >>>>>> >>>>>> The answer to the 3rd question is yes. :) If you look at the generated >>>>>> template, it should have a call to #arraymap there. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Jar-Jar <zyl...@gm...>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm new to SMW and I hope you can help me out with this design issue. >>>>>>> I want the user to be able to manage a list of nameless semantic >>>>>>> entities. Using subobjects the result could be a page like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> {{#subobject:su1 >>>>>>> | first=bla >>>>>>> | second=bla >>>>>>> | ... >>>>>>> }} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> {{#subobject:su2 >>>>>>> | first=something >>>>>>> | second=something else >>>>>>> | ... >>>>>>> }} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> {{#subobject:suN >>>>>>> | first=asdf >>>>>>> | second=xyz >>>>>>> | ... >>>>>>> }} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My questions: >>>>>>> 1. How can I produce a form that lets the user create an arbitrary >>>>>>> number of these objects? >>>>>>> 2. How can the user edit and delete those objects (through a form)? >>>>>>> 3. Do Semantic Forms support editing lists at all? I noticed the >>>>>>> checkbox in Special:CreateTemplate for creating list fields, but it >>>>>>> doesn't seem to have any effect. >>>>>>> 4. How stable is the whole subobjects feature so far? Should I use >>>>>>> internal objects instead? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. Here is what I want to do more specifically: There are going to be a >>>>>>> bunch of entities and classes and the user should be able to add >>>>>>> statements about them. I want those statements be discrete objects >>>>>>> because they might be associated with a reference and because they might >>>>>>> be wrong and get deleted later. Is there a better way to implement this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot for answers, links to sample implementations, suggested >>>>>>> readings....! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> Live Security Virtual Conference >>>>>>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >>>>>>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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