Re: [Semediawiki-user] Special:Browse redesigned

[Yaron K. <ya...@gm...>]

The new version looks nice. A question about the functionality: why is the
"show/hide properties that link here" link not implemented in Javascript?
That would seem to be the obvious way to go.

-Yaron

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Daniel Friesen <dan...@te...>wrote:

>  Support just for 1.13 is fine... It's the latest stable, and so if anyone
> has an older version, they can use a version of SMW to match. Normally we
> branch out working copys of extensions along with releases, but SMW goes an
> extra step and actually tags individual releases of SMW. So if 1.2.x
> supports 1.12 and up or 1.11 and up whichever it was, but SMW 1.3 only
> supports 1.13 and up it's perfectly fine.
> IMHO, it's the extensions that attempt to support as many versions of MW as
> they possibly can that end up bloated, harder to maintain, and sometimes
> even buggy.
>
> Personally, for my own extensions I don't support anything except the
> latest stable and alpha. Legacy versions are legacy versions and don't need
> support for new features.
>
> A slight modification of one of my old quotes...
> "We release new versions of software to add new features, and fix bugs. If
> you are looking for new features then you should upgrade, even with a higher
> version number it's the same software. Asking for a brand new feature to be
> backported to work with an older version of the software, is like asking
> Microsoft to improve the GUI in Windows 3.11 because it's not good enough.
> They already did that, they released a new VERSION of Windows with a better
> GUI."
>
> If someone wants to update or install a new version of SMW, then they
> shouldn't be unwilling to upgrade MediaWiki as well. If they want the
> features in newer versions of SMW, then they should be willing to update
> MediaWiki to match up with SMW. If you want to use old versions of one
> software, then there is no reason to ask that newer versions of other
> software support your version when they have an older version of their
> software that supports your old version.
>
> /rant, heh...
>
> Though, he might have been confused by your "Note that this is a first SVN
> release. Some names or values may change until the 1.13 release." comment. I
> believe you actually meant 1.3, as in SMW 1.3, that might have been read as
> 'MediaWiki 1.13 release' instead of 'SMW 1.3 release' as it was meant to be.
>
> ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) of:
> -The Nadir-Point Group (http://nadir-point.com)
> --It's Wiki-Tools subgroup (http://wiki-tools.com)
> --The ElectronicMe project (http://electronic-me.org)
> --Games-G.P.S. (http://ggps.org)
> -And Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG)
> --Animepedia (http://anime.wikia.com)
> --Narutopedia (http://naruto.wikia.com)
>
> Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>
> Hi Temlakos,
>
> sorry, I was unclear -- you do not need the dev trunk of MediaWiki, I
> only noted the SVN version for people using SVN update mechanism.
>
> The page should work fine with MediaWiki 1.13.
> But it breaks with 1.12 or older. Is this already considered a problem?
>
> Does this clear it up, or did I misunderstand you?
>
> I agree that releases of SMW should not depend on a development version
> of MediaWiki, but should always work on a release of MediaWiki. I am not
> sure if this needs to be true of SMW SVN versions, too. But in this case
> this does not apply anyway :)
> Or is it the case that SMW is more often updated than MW?
>
> Best,
> denny
>
>
>
> Temlakos wrote:
>
>
>  Now wait a minute! Some of us don't like to use the development trunk of
> MediaWiki, precisely because that kind of installation will often break
> an existing wiki without major command-line script running. For that
> reason, we prefer to wait until MediaWiki "branches out." That's going
> to happen in about a month or so. Until then, could we have a moratorium
> on designs that require people to run "alpha test versions" of MediaWiki?
>
> Temlakos
>
> Denny Vrandečić wrote:
>
>
>  Hi all,
>
> I just submitted a redesign of the Special:Browse feature to the SVN,
> and I hope to get some testing and feedback before releasing it as part
> of SMW 1.3 (or either scrapping it because everyone hates it).
>
> Note that it requires a quite new version of MediaWiki (Release 1.13 or
> SVN 38254, or newer), or it will break.
>
> I hope that all current users of browse are happy with it, I tried to
> follow the suggestions and concerns from the previous discussion. I hope
> also that all find it more useful than the previous layout.
>
> For an example, you may start here:<http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:Browse/Rudi_Studer> <http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:Browse/Rudi_Studer>
>
> Complete documentation can be found here:<http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Browse> <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Browse>
>
> Noteworthy are the two configuration settings, some may find it very
> helpful to create an easy to browse wiki using the opposite property label.
>
> Note that this is a first SVN release. Some names or values may change
> until the 1.13 release.
>
> Best,
> denny
>
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