From: Maarten B. <sou...@ds...> - 2007-04-08 13:29:05
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Hi, > I replaced "freeware" with "Free Open Source Software" on the SDCC WEB > page http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/. One minor issue: SDCC is not 'a' software but just software. > I also propose to entirely remove the "Links and More!" > (http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/links.php) page. See Frieder > comment on > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=536150&aid=1693861&group_id=599. I tend to disagree. I don't see many requests for updating the links page so it's perfectly maintainable IMO. And their are some real golden nuggets among those links. Of course there are also links that have little to do with sdcc or that just don't work. Regarding that particular link: I don't see what it has to with sdcc and does not need to be included. > > > Borut Maarten |
From: Frieder F. <fri...@we...> - 2006-06-14 10:10:50
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Hi, this thread on sdcc-user has gotten little attention, maybe it's more appropriate here on sdcc-devel. Ken Jackson schrieb 2006-03-07: > I notice that src/SDCCglue.c has this comment that gets tacked > onto the top of generated .asm files: > > char *iComments1 = > { > ";--------------------------------------------------------\n" > "; File Created by SDCC : FreeWare ANSI-C Compiler\n"}; > > Since SDCC is protected by GPL, it would be good to change the > word FreeWare. Check out what the GNU folks say: > > Please don't use the term "freeware" as a synonym for "free > software." The term "freeware" was used often in the 1980s for > programs released only as executables, with source code not > available. Today it has no particular agreed-on definition. > > <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware> > > -Ken Jackson sorry, no one picked this up for quite a while. Yet I think this is a valid request and SDCC should avoid the term FreeWare. SDCC is using at other places (SF project page, Manual) the term "open source". According to the link you've given above usage of the term "open source" would also be discouraged. What to do? Greetings, Frieder |
From: Maarten B. <sou...@ds...> - 2006-06-14 13:04:40
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Yes, the devel-list is where it belongs I guess. I have no problems removing it from the generated source files and to replace it with "GPL ANSI-C Compiler". It can stay or be removed from the documentation. I don't really care. I would like to keep it on the homepage. If someone searches the internet for a "freeware 8051 C compiler" I surely would like our website to pop up. Maarten > Hi, > > this thread on sdcc-user has gotten little attention, > maybe it's more appropriate here on sdcc-devel. > > > Ken Jackson schrieb 2006-03-07: >> I notice that src/SDCCglue.c has this comment that gets tacked >> onto the top of generated .asm files: >> >> char *iComments1 =3D >> { >> ";--------------------------------------------------------\n" >> "; File Created by SDCC : FreeWare ANSI-C Compiler\n"}; >> >> Since SDCC is protected by GPL, it would be good to change the >> word FreeWare. Check out what the GNU folks say: >> >> Please don't use the term "freeware" as a synonym for "free >> software." The term "freeware" was used often in the 1980s for >> programs released only as executables, with source code not >> available. Today it has no particular agreed-on definition. >> >> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware> >> >> -Ken Jackson > > sorry, no one picked this up for quite a while. > Yet I think this is a valid request and SDCC should > avoid the term FreeWare. > > SDCC is using at other places (SF project page, Manual) > the term "open source". > > According to the link you've given above usage of the term > "open source" would also be discouraged. > > What to do? > > Greetings, > > Frieder |
From: Raphael N. <rn...@we...> - 2006-06-14 16:33:45
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Hi, > I have no problems removing it from the generated source files and to > replace it with "GPL ANSI-C Compiler". Agreed. > It can stay or be removed from the documentation. I don't really care. If SDCC is said to be freeware in the manual, this should be fixed to read GPL'ed or simply free or open source. > I would like to keep it on the homepage. If someone searches the internet > for a "freeware 8051 C compiler" I surely would like our website to pop > up. Good point. Regards, Raphael |
From: Borut R. <bor...@si...> - 2007-04-02 06:10:44
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Hi, I asked Sandeep the following question (he is the original author and it is at least polite to ask him before make such changes): "We would like to replace the word "freeware" with "free" as defined by FOSS (free as in free speech and free beer) in the SDCC description. I hope that you agree with that?" and his answer is: "Please feel free to change the verbiage to Free." The changes have to be done in: - source code - SDCC documentation - WEB page Now we have to find a volunteer who will do it... Borut Maarten Brock wrote: > Yes, the devel-list is where it belongs I guess. > > I have no problems removing it from the generated source files and to > replace it with "GPL ANSI-C Compiler". > > It can stay or be removed from the documentation. I don't really care. > > I would like to keep it on the homepage. If someone searches the internet > for a "freeware 8051 C compiler" I surely would like our website to pop > up. > > Maarten > > >> Hi, >> >> this thread on sdcc-user has gotten little attention, >> maybe it's more appropriate here on sdcc-devel. >> >> >> Ken Jackson schrieb 2006-03-07: >> >>> I notice that src/SDCCglue.c has this comment that gets tacked >>> onto the top of generated .asm files: >>> >>> char *iComments1 = >>> { >>> ";--------------------------------------------------------\n" >>> "; File Created by SDCC : FreeWare ANSI-C Compiler\n"}; >>> >>> Since SDCC is protected by GPL, it would be good to change the >>> word FreeWare. Check out what the GNU folks say: >>> >>> Please don't use the term "freeware" as a synonym for "free >>> software." The term "freeware" was used often in the 1980s for >>> programs released only as executables, with source code not >>> available. Today it has no particular agreed-on definition. >>> >>> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware> >>> >>> -Ken Jackson >>> >> sorry, no one picked this up for quite a while. >> Yet I think this is a valid request and SDCC should >> avoid the term FreeWare. >> >> SDCC is using at other places (SF project page, Manual) >> the term "open source". >> >> According to the link you've given above usage of the term >> "open source" would also be discouraged. >> >> What to do? >> >> Greetings, >> >> Frieder >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > sdcc-devel mailing list > sdc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sdcc-devel > > |
From: <Ken...@ie...> - 2006-06-15 00:25:54
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Thank you for noticing my note. You are right about the terminology confusion. It is very unfortunate that the English word "free" has such vastly different meanings. But the authors of the GPL recommend it be called "free software", and that's what the license says after all: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License ... <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> -Ken Jackson Frieder Ferlemann writes: > Hi, > > this thread on sdcc-user has gotten little attention, > maybe it's more appropriate here on sdcc-devel. > > > Ken Jackson schrieb 2006-03-07: > > I notice that src/SDCCglue.c has this comment that gets tacked > > onto the top of generated .asm files: > > > > char *iComments1 = > > { > > ";--------------------------------------------------------\n" > > "; File Created by SDCC : FreeWare ANSI-C Compiler\n"}; > > > > Since SDCC is protected by GPL, it would be good to change the > > word FreeWare. Check out what the GNU folks say: > > > > Please don't use the term "freeware" as a synonym for "free > > software." The term "freeware" was used often in the 1980s for > > programs released only as executables, with source code not > > available. Today it has no particular agreed-on definition. > > > > <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Freeware> > > > > -Ken Jackson > > sorry, no one picked this up for quite a while. > Yet I think this is a valid request and SDCC should > avoid the term FreeWare. > > SDCC is using at other places (SF project page, Manual) > the term "open source". > > According to the link you've given above usage of the term > "open source" would also be discouraged. > > What to do? > > Greetings, > > Frieder |
From: Borut R. <bor...@si...> - 2007-04-08 14:30:11
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Maarten Brock wrote: > Hi, > > >> I replaced "freeware" with "Free Open Source Software" on the SDCC WEB >> page http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/. >> > > One minor issue: SDCC is not 'a' software but just > software. > > Fixed. Thanks! >> I also propose to entirely remove the "Links and More!" >> (http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/links.php) page. See Frieder >> comment on >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=536150&aid=1693861&group_id=599. >> > > I tend to disagree. I don't see many requests for > updating the links page so it's perfectly maintainable > IMO. And their are some real golden nuggets among those > links. Of course there are also links that have little > to do with sdcc or that just don't work. > > I think that there are a lot of pages that would deserve to be on a page, but the are not... OK, the page will remain, I just removed the unreachable links. > Regarding that particular link: I don't see what it has > to with sdcc and does not need to be included. > >> Borut >> > > Maarten > |