Re: [Scidvspc-users] In human vs. engine game, can the coach be a different engine than the one that the human is playing?

[Steve A <ste...@gm...>]

Hmmm - i've never looked at the UCI game 'coach' feature before.
Last help update was in "Updated: Scid vs. PC 4.7 January 2012" !
Yes, the coach is the same engine you are playing. It'd probably need a big
rewrite to change anything and might be easier to just amalgamate the
phalanx tacgame, and uci sergame, with a selectable coach.
I'd guess it's not super hard to do if you look hard at the code and know
tcl, but i'd say "not going to happen".

The help item doesnt mention the various Dubious/Weak/Bad move values are
configurable in the Informant config window, so i'll probably have a little
look at it sometime and at least update the help info. It'd proably be
helpful to know the exact bad move score instead of these vague
chastisements.

Steven

PS. Playing a quicky against a weak stockfish, I almost had it on the ropes
with my fave kings gambit declined untilled i bailed. At least the serious
game feature seems mostly working nowadays. Why do we waste so much time on
this :)
[Event "UCI Game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2019.12.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish"]
[Black "stevenaaus"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SkillLevel "8"]
[Annotator "Critter 1.6a 64-bit"]
[Depth "15"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.a3 {[% -0.66]  Move out of book (Performance:  Nf3
100%)} 3...exf4 {[% -0.72]} 4.Nf3 {[% -0.72]} 4...g5 {[% -0.72]} 5.h4 {[%
-1.33]} 5...g4 {[% -1.41]} 6.Ng1 {[% -1.41]} 6...d5 {[% -1.35]} 7.d4 {[%
-1.47]} 7...dxe4 {[% -1.23]} 8.Bxf4 {[% -1.26]} 8...Qxd4 $201 {[% -0.62]}
9.Qxd4 $2 $17 {-2.41 / -0.62}
    ( 9.Nc3 Bc5 10.Qxd4 Nxd4 11.O-O-O Ne6 12.Bh2 Nf6 13.Be5 Be7 14.Bc4 O-O
15.Bxf6 Bxf6 16.Nxe4 Be5 17.Ne2 Kg7 18.g3 Rd8 19.Rxd8 Nxd8 20.Rf1 f5 21.Nc5
Bd6 22.b4 Bxc5 23.bxc5 )
9...Nxd4 {[% -2.31]} 10.Kd1 {[% -2.27]} 10...Bg7 {[% -2.11]} 11.Kc1 {[%
-2.16]} 11...Bf5 {[% -2.12]} 12.Nc3 {[% -2.27]} 12...O-O-O {[% -2.17]}
13.Nd1 {[% -2.73]} 13...Ne7 {[% -2.71]} 14.Ne3 {[% -3.26]} 14...h5 {[%
-3.16]} 15.Ne2 {[% -3.10]} 15...Nxe2+ {[% -2.38]} 16.Bxe2 {[% -2.41]}
16...Bg6 {[% -1.96]} 17.Rf1 {[% -2.10]} 17...Nd5 {[% -2.29]} 18.Nxd5 {[%
-2.28]} 18...Rxd5 {[% -2.43]} 19.Be3 {[% -2.28]} 19...Rhd8 {[% -2.08]}
20.Bc4 {[% -2.26]} 20...R5d7 {[% -2.21]} 21.c3 $201 {[% -2.21]} 21...f6 $2
$10 {-0.26 / -2.21}
    ( 21...Be5 22.Ra2 a6 23.a4 Re8 24.Bg5 e3 25.Bxe3 Bxc3 26.Bg5
        ( 26.bxc3 Rxe3 )
    26...Bd4 27.b3 c5 28.Rd2 Kb8 29.g3 Ka7 30.Bf4 $17 )
22.Be6 {[% -0.33]} 22...Bf7 {[% -0.18]} 23.Bxd7+ {[% -0.21]} 23...Rxd7 {[%
-0.19]} 24.Kc2 {[% -0.14]} 24...Bc4 {[% -0.07]} 25.Rf2 {[% -0.96]}
25...Bd3+ {[% -0.35]} 26.Kd1 $201 {[% -1.02]} 26...Rf7 $6 $10 {+0.42 /
-1.02}
    ( 26...Rd5 27.g3 f5 28.Kd2 Bf8 29.Rg1 a6 30.Ke1 b6 31.Rd2 Kb7 32.Kf2
Rd8 33.Rgd1 Bd6 34.b4 )
27.Rf5 {[% +0.35]} 27...Rd7 $201 {[% +0.70]} 28.Kc1 $6 $10 {-0.33 / +0.70}
    ( 28.Ke1 Kd8 29.Rxh5 Ke8 30.Rh7 f5 31.Rh5 Rd5 32.Bd4 Bf8 33.Kf2 c5
34.Be3 Bg7 35.Rh7 Kf7 36.h5 $14 )
28...Be2 {[% +0.00]} 29.Bd4 {[% -0.19]} 29...Bh6+ {[% +0.45]} 30.Kb1 {[%
-0.23]} 30...b6 {[% -0.08]} 31.b4 {[% -0.08]} 31...g3 {[% +0.09]} 32.Kc2
{[% +0.00]} 32...Bg4 {[% +0.08]} 33.Rxf6 {[% +0.16]} 33...Bg7 {[% +0.16]}
34.Rf4 {[% +0.19]} 34...Bxd4 {[% +0.64]} 35.cxd4 {[% +0.56]} 35...Rxd4 {[%
+0.53]} 36.Re1 {[% +0.58]} 36...c5 {[% +0.94]} 37.bxc5 {[% +0.91]}
37...bxc5 {[% +0.91]} 38.Kc1 {[% +0.79]} 38...Rd3 {[% +0.96]} 39.Rfxe4 {[%
+0.96]} 39...Rxa3 {[% +0.96]} 40.Kb2 {[% +1.11]} 40...Rd3 {[% +1.14]}
41.Kc1 {[% +0.59]} 41...Kb7 {[% +0.75]} 42.R4e3 {[% +0.76]} 42...Rd5 {[%
+1.12]} 43.Kc2 {[% +0.52]} 43...Kc6 {[% +0.57]} 44.Kc3 {[% +0.62]} 44...Rf5
{[% +0.72]} 45.Rb1 {[% +0.42]} 45...Rf2 {[% +0.40]} 46.Rb2 {[% +0.35]}
46...Rxb2 {[% +1.31]} 47.Kxb2 {[% +1.34]}
    ( 47.Kxb2 { 15:+1.34} 47...a5 48.Rxg3 Be2 49.Re3 Bg4 50.Re5 Bd1 51.Kc3
a4 52.Kb2 Kd6 53.Rf5 Kc6 54.Rg5 Kb5 55.Rd5 Bg4 56.Rg5 Bd1 )
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 3:36 AM Kenneth Goggin <ken...@ou...>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> When I play a game again an engine in Scid vs. PC I play against a pretty
> weak engine (in my case, lc0 with a crummy set of weights) in order to make
> the game competitive. I'd still find the "coach" feature of being told
> immediately when I make a bad move useful, but it seems to me that the
> coach in the same crummy engine I'm playing (is this right?). Is there a
> way I can have a stronger engine watch the game as coach?
>
> Thank you,
> Ken
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