Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2

[Maksim G. <ma...@gm...>]

Got this from Steve Steinitz (li...@da...):

> Hey man, I don’t have the original thread - I seem to only get the digest, despite my settings otherwise, and so can't reply to the specific thread.  Sorry.  That said, its unlikely anything will get done in either case.
>
> Feel free to cite my support - the old-on-top sorting is useless at best.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
> I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
> want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
> now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
> about what users want, and got this part right.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
>> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
>> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
>> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
>> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
>> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
>> important.
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
>> <sci...@li...> wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:55:22 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
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>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>>> with the most recent games on top?
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>    4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
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>>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>> From: Steve A <ste...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>,         scidvspc-users
>>>>         <sci...@li...>
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>>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>> shown.
>>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>> S.A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>> From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> CAG...@ma...>
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>>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>> To: sci...@li...
>>>> Message-ID: <554...@ne...>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>> >> list to be date desc?
>>>> >
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>> > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>> > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights
>>>> > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:58:46 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
>>> To: sci...@li...
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>>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>>
>>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <sci...@li...
>>>> <mailto:sci...@li...>> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>     Message: 1
>>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAGRtvOcfH_fBbfU_SVLZNEPEYL2X_DBhABbOQzahym0efDAb=g...@ma... <mailto:g...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 2
>>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>>     From: Steve A <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>,
>>>>            scidvspc-users
>>>>             <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAKDNZpFi82oj5vzdUvmxDM9aaA65jjjgSOt-6afKX_sPxP+F=w...@ma... <mailto:w...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>>     shown.
>>>>     See the sort help topics.
>>>>
>>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>>
>>>>     S.A.
>>>>
>>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>     > Sci...@li...
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>     Message: 3
>>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: scidvspc mailing list <sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>>
>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>     <CAG...@ma... <mailto:CAG...@ma...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>
>>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <ma...@gm...
>>>>     <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     Message: 4
>>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@ne... <mailto:gu...@ne...>>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>>     To: sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:sci...@li...>
>>>>     Message-ID: <554...@ne...
>>>>     <mailto:554...@ne...>>
>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>>     then
>>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>>
>>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>>     sorted
>>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>>     where I
>>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>>     >
>>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>>     <ma...@gm... <mailto:ma...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>>     >> list to be date desc?
>>>>     >
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>     > One dashboard for servers and applications across
>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>>     > Scidvspc-users mailing list
>>>>     > Sci...@li...
>>>>     <mailto:Sci...@li...>
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>>>>     >
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>>     Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>>     Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>>     Insights
>>>>     Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
>>>>     http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y
>>>>
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>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight.
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