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[Scid-users] Openings trainer configuration

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

I've recently been using the opening trainer (Play -> Training -> Openings).

I have taken the following steps:

- Created 2 new databases: one filled with my games as White and the other as
Black.
- For each DB, marked all the games as "Openings for White" and "Openings for
Black" respectively.
- Changed the icon/type to be Openings for White/Black.

The feature has proved to be very useful for reviewing my repertoire and I
would highly recommend it.

Now there are a couple of things I haven't figured out yet.

1. Is there a way to limit the depth (number of moves) of the training?
2. Once in a training session, there's no way to try out other lines save
"abort"ing the session. Is there a better way?

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Re: [Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Steve C. <ste...@gm...>]

Thank you.  Please feel free to use my extremely complicated and nested
game (it's not very good chess, I use SCID to keep track of "postal-like"
email games) to get to the bottom of the issue.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 1:16 PM Alan Bennet via Scid-users <
sci...@li...> wrote:

> On 8/25/24 17:03, Steve Cohen wrote:
> > Removing the blank variation seems to make the problem go away for me
> too.
> I think it's safe to say the blank variation was the proximate cause of
> error 4792. But the root cause is probably in the parser code.
>
> > I'd still like to know what glitch put this blank variation in the file
> The likely sequence was:
> * somebody put a variation with actual moves in the game;
> * somebody (probably the same person) removed the moves;
> * Scid code did not remove the parent variation having zero child moves;
> * Scid code left the parentheses representing the empty pgn variation.
>
> > and why scrolling over a move many lines away causes the error to
> occur.
> Puzzling indeed. That's why it would be hasty to conclude that Scid
> versions 4.5.2 and 5.0.2 don't have the same issue, even though I could
> not reproduce in them. It could very well be they **do** have the same
> issue, but it manifests in some other random location in the move tree.
>
> You have a lot of nested variations (annotations) in this game, perhaps
> that's a necessary ingredient for this to happen, and why nobody
> reported it before. Also it may only happen in pgn format.
>
> > What does code 4702 even mean?
> No doubt you intended "4792". It could mean anything.
>
> Here's a truly wild guess: Those are decimal ascii characters "/\" and
> that's some internal representation of "()", pushed on the stack when
> the empty variation was parsed, and later popped at some random move in
> the tree.
>
> --
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Re: [Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Alan B. <adb...@ya...>]

On 8/25/24 17:03, Steve Cohen wrote:
> Removing the blank variation seems to make the problem go away for me too.
I think it's safe to say the blank variation was the proximate cause of 
error 4792. But the root cause is probably in the parser code.

> I'd still like to know what glitch put this blank variation in the file 
The likely sequence was:
* somebody put a variation with actual moves in the game;
* somebody (probably the same person) removed the moves;
* Scid code did not remove the parent variation having zero child moves;
* Scid code left the parentheses representing the empty pgn variation.

> and why scrolling over a move many lines away causes the error to occur.  
Puzzling indeed. That's why it would be hasty to conclude that Scid 
versions 4.5.2 and 5.0.2 don't have the same issue, even though I could 
not reproduce in them. It could very well be they **do** have the same 
issue, but it manifests in some other random location in the move tree.

You have a lot of nested variations (annotations) in this game, perhaps 
that's a necessary ingredient for this to happen, and why nobody 
reported it before. Also it may only happen in pgn format.

> What does code 4702 even mean?
No doubt you intended "4792". It could mean anything.

Here's a truly wild guess: Those are decimal ascii characters "/\" and 
that's some internal representation of "()", pushed on the stack when 
the empty variation was parsed, and later popped at some random move in 
the tree.

-- 
Alan

Re: [Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Steve C. <ste...@gm...>]

Removing the blank variation seems to make the problem go away for me too.
I'd still like to know what glitch put this blank variation in the file and
why scrolling over a move many lines away causes the error to occur.  What
does code 4702 even mean?

On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 9:46 AM Alan Bennet via Scid-users <
sci...@li...> wrote:

> Note that pgn-extract gives a warning:
>
> -------------------------------------------
> $ pgn-extract -r -s scid-error-4792.pgn
> File scid-error-4792.pgn: Line number: 301
> Missing move list in variation.
> $ gawk -- 'NR==301' scid-error-4792.pgn
> Bxh2 ) 24...f6 25.Bg3 ) 22...Ng5 ( ) 23.e6 ( 23.Bf4 $5 Nxe4 ( 23...Rdg8 $2
> $
> -------------------------------------------
>
> After removing the empty "( )" on line 301, Scid 4.7.4 no longer
> produced an error for me.
>
>
> On 8/25/24 12:30, Alan Bennet via Scid-users wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I reproduced with version 4.7.4 (Debian packaged version).
> > Could not reproduce with 4.5.2 nor with 5.0.2 (both compiled by me).
> >
> >
> > On 8/22/24 16:52, Steve Cohen wrote:
> >> To reproduce this error, load the attached game in SCID.
> >> Follow the main line through White's 20th move (20. Rdf1), then
> >> instead of
> >> playing Black's mainline move, do the moves 20. ... Nxh3 21.f6 and begin
> >> moving the mouse around the notation window, and this error will pop up
> >> twice.
> >
> > Actually, put the cursor on the move 21...e6 to recreate.
> > I didn't get any error highlighting other moves.
> >
>
> --
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Re: [Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Alan B. <adb...@ya...>]

Note that pgn-extract gives a warning:

-------------------------------------------
$ pgn-extract -r -s scid-error-4792.pgn
File scid-error-4792.pgn: Line number: 301
Missing move list in variation.
$ gawk -- 'NR==301' scid-error-4792.pgn
Bxh2 ) 24...f6 25.Bg3 ) 22...Ng5 ( ) 23.e6 ( 23.Bf4 $5 Nxe4 ( 23...Rdg8 $2
$
-------------------------------------------

After removing the empty "( )" on line 301, Scid 4.7.4 no longer 
produced an error for me.


On 8/25/24 12:30, Alan Bennet via Scid-users wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I reproduced with version 4.7.4 (Debian packaged version).
> Could not reproduce with 4.5.2 nor with 5.0.2 (both compiled by me).
> 
> 
> On 8/22/24 16:52, Steve Cohen wrote:
>> To reproduce this error, load the attached game in SCID.
>> Follow the main line through White's 20th move (20. Rdf1), then 
>> instead of
>> playing Black's mainline move, do the moves 20. ... Nxh3 21.f6 and begin
>> moving the mouse around the notation window, and this error will pop up
>> twice.
> 
> Actually, put the cursor on the move 21...e6 to recreate.
> I didn't get any error highlighting other moves.
> 

-- 
Alan

Re: [Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Alan B. <adb...@ya...>]

Hi,

I reproduced with version 4.7.4 (Debian packaged version).
Could not reproduce with 4.5.2 nor with 5.0.2 (both compiled by me).


On 8/22/24 16:52, Steve Cohen wrote:
> To reproduce this error, load the attached game in SCID.
> Follow the main line through White's 20th move (20. Rdf1), then instead of
> playing Black's mainline move, do the moves 20. ... Nxh3 21.f6 and begin
> moving the mouse around the notation window, and this error will pop up
> twice.

Actually, put the cursor on the move 21...e6 to recreate.
I didn't get any error highlighting other moves.

-- 
Alan

[Scid-users] Bizarre Error 4792 in game

[Steve C. <ste...@gm...>]

I am getting this bizarre error while looking at a game in SCID.

To reproduce this error, load the attached game in SCID.
Follow the main line through White's 20th move (20. Rdf1), then instead of
playing Black's mainline move, do the moves 20. ... Nxh3 21.f6 and begin
moving the mouse around the notation window, and this error will pop up
twice.

This is using SCID version 4.7.4 on Ubuntu Linux 24.04.

I have never seen this type of behavior in SCID before.

What does it mean?

Re: [Scid-users] Strange focus behaviour

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Thanks Gerhard for your thoughts. It does make sense.

However from *a* user's, i.e. me, perspective I'd like to assume that key
combos which pertain to Board and Notation are always passed down to those
windows irrespective of the active window, unless I'm working with a modal
window or a pop-up menu.

Perhaps one thing that confused me in the beginning was the fact that simply
clicking in the Notation window doesn't give it the focus. Rather I've got to
the right-click left-click drill to transfer focus.

Nothing pressing TBH. Mostly an annoyance I can live with. I was hoping I may
have something misconfigured which in turn causes this behaviour.
-- 
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https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sat, 2024-08-10 at 02:27 +0200, Gerhard Lorscheid wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> this is not a bug but something to define. Different parts of the SCID  UI
> can have the focus and decide how to handle key entries.  For example the
> arrows have different semantics in a game list window compared to a notation
> or board window. The interesting question is when should the focus change.
> In my program RChess the focus now changes when the user just moves the
> mouse from one part to the other. In SCID you need to click to chance the
> focus. Normally you can switch the focus also using the tab button.
>  
> I hope this helps,
> >  
>  

Re: [Scid-users] Strange focus behaviour

[Gerhard L. <ger...@on...>]

Hello,

this is not a bug but something to define. Different parts of the SCID 
UI can have the focus and decide how to handle key entries. For example
the arrows have different semantics in a game list window compared to a
notation or board window. The interesting question is when should the
focus change. In my program RChess the focus now changes when the user
just moves the mouse from one part to the other. In SCID you need to
click to chance the focus. Normally you can switch the focus also using
the tab button.

I hope this helps,

Gerd Lorscheid


Am 10.08.2024 um 00:23 schrieb Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users:
>
> Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
>

[Scid-users] Strange focus behaviour

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Often times, I notice that navigation (and move entry) using keyboard doesn't
work. In particular, that happens every time I click on the board or any other
window than Notation.

The workaround I have discovered is to right-click on an empty area of
Notation and then left click (on Notation).

Has anyone else run into this? Have I misconfigured anything?

I'm running latest Scid (5.0.2) on openSUSE Tumbleweed running Gnome.

-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

[Scid-users] Set the engine depth

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

I thought I'd share this as I struggled quite a bit with it before I figured
it out.

When you run an engine via "Tools" -> "Start Engine 1 or 2", by default, the
depth is set to infinity. 
To change the value, first kick the engine running, then lock the position and
only after that set the depth.

Enjoy.
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Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

Re: [Scid-users] Keyboard shortcuts

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Excellent. Thank you!
-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sat, 2024-07-27 at 20:09 -0400, Alan Bennet via Scid-users wrote:
> On 7/19/24 18:06, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users wrote:
> > ... is there a list of keyboard shortcuts available somewhere?
> >   Especially those pertaining to Board window and Notation windows.
> 
> Since you are using 5.0.2, in the scid source archive scid_src_5.0.2.zip 
>   look at /scid-5.0.2/tcl/keyboard.tcl.
> 

Re: [Scid-users] can't load PGN containing "Black crushing" symbol

[Alan B. <adb...@ya...>]

On 6/29/24 22:25, Greg Marks wrote:
> After upgrading Scid to version 4.7.4, I find that Scid won't properly
> load PGN files that contain the "Black crushing" symbol.  A minimal
> example:
> 
> $cat test.pgn
> 
> [Event "?"]
> [Site "?"]
> [Date "????.??.??"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "?"]
> [Black "?"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> 
> 1.e4 e5 2.f3?! Bc5 3.g4?? --+ Qh4+ 0-1
> 
> $scid test.pgn
> 
> After Scid loads, an error window opens, reading:
> 
>     (game 1, line 9) Failed to parse the move: Qh4+
>     (game 1, line 9) End of game, ignoring the part after the last error.

I got the same result in version 5.0.2.

> The display in the PGN window of Scid reads:
> 
>     ? -- ?
>     ? ???? 0-1
> 
>     1.e4 e5 2.f3?! Bc5 3.g4?? -- 0-1
> 
> (Note the deletion of everything after the --+ symbol.)  

Scid is interpreting '--' as a null move and thinks the next move is
4.Qh4+ (for white), which is illegal. As with any parsing error, it
ignores the rest of the game.

> I haven't
> encountered a similar problem with any of the other annotation symbols,
> so for example, after running:
> 
> $sed -i 's/--+/-+/g' test.pgn
> 
> the file opens just fine in Scid.  I'd rather not have to do this on
> every single PGN file, though.
> 
> Is there some simple edit ... 

Unfortunately, no, it won't be a simple edit.
The changes to Scid were extensive and it's hard to say where the
breaking change was made.

~/Downloads/scid-4.5.2/src
$ grep -inF "isnullmove" *.h *.cpp
game.h:157:isNullMove (moveT * m)
game.h:159:    return isNullMove(&(m->moveData));
movelist.h:51:inline bool isNullMove (simpleMoveT * sm)
game.cpp:2311:            IsPlainFormat()  &&  isNullMove(m)) {
game.cpp:2350:        if (isNullMove(m)) {
game.cpp:2547:                    if (isNullMove(m->next)  &&
position.cpp:1864:    if (isNullMove(sm)) {
position.cpp:2007:    if (isNullMove(m)) {
position.cpp:2193:        if (isNullMove(m)) {
$

~/Downloads/scid-4.7.4/src
$ grep -inF "isnullmove" *.h *.cpp
movelist.h:50:	bool isNullMove() const {
movetree.h:89:	bool isNull() const { return moveData.isNullMove(); }
game.cpp:846:		if (move->moveData.isNullMove()) {
position.cpp:1433:	if (sm.isNullMove() || sm.isCastle()) {
position.cpp:1489:	if (sm.isNullMove())
position.cpp:1590:    if (m->isNullMove()) {
position.cpp:1772:        if (m->isNullMove()) {
$

> ... to, say, a TCL file in the directory
> /usr/share/scid/tcl/tools/ that might fix this?  If it's relevant,
> I do notice that the file analysis.tcl contains a comment:
> 
> # Nags. Note the slight inconsistency for the "crushing" symbol (see game.cpp)

The inconsistency is in analysis.tcl, where the previous line has "++-"
for crushing, whereas the following line has "+--".

> which doesn't make sense to me, as the file game.cpp doesn't exist
> anywhere.

You can find the .h and .cpp files in the sources.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Scid/Scid%204.7/
download <= scid-code-4.7.4.zip

In scid-4.7.4/src/game.cpp look at lines 191-203. These lines were
unchanged from 4.5.2 which is why I think the problem lies elsewhere.

if (*str == '-') {
     // Must be "-+", "-/+" or "--+", "->":
     str++;
     if (*str == '+') { return NAG_BlackDecisive; }     // -+     $19
     if (*str == '>') { return NAG_WithBlackAttack; }   // ->     $41
     if (*str == '/'  &&  str[1] == '+') {              // -/+    $17
        return NAG_BlackClear; }
     if (*str == '-'  &&  str[1] == '+') {              // --+    $21
        return NAG_BlackCrushing; }
     if (*str == '-'  &&  str[1] == 0) {                // --     $210
        return NAG_See; }
     return 0;
}

> 
> Best regards,
> Greg Marks

-- 
Alan

Re: [Scid-users] Keyboard shortcuts

[Alan B. <adb...@ya...>]

On 7/19/24 18:06, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users wrote:
> ... is there a list of keyboard shortcuts available somewhere?
>   Especially those pertaining to Board window and Notation windows.

Since you are using 5.0.2, in the scid source archive scid_src_5.0.2.zip 
  look at /scid-5.0.2/tcl/keyboard.tcl.

-- 
Alan

[Scid-users] Share your Scid setup!

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Given how configurable Scid is and the breadth of its feature set, I suppose
there's no particular setup/layout that works for everyone.
I always wonder how others are using Scid and if there's anything I can learn
from them. 

So I thought we could share a screenshot of our favourite or most comfortable
setup here with the list to
  1) help ourselves learn better or more efficient ways of using Scid
  2) hopefully compile the best 5 (or any other arbitrary number) shots into a
gallery which could be added to Scid's front page

Here goes mine: bahmanm.com/2024/07/my-awesome-scid-setup.html [1]

You could simply attach your shots here or host them elsewhere
(like imgur.com) and link it back here.

What do you say?




-- 
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https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

[1] bahmanm.com/2024/07/my-awesome-scid-setup.html
    https://www.bahmanm.com/2024/07/my-awesome-scid-setup.html

Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Since 2017, my favourite has been Chess PGN Master
(http://pgnmaster.kalab.com/) [1] :
Though not as powerful and rich as Scid on desktop, it's got a stable and easy
to use UI with a very reasonable feature set. And it always comes with the
latest Stockfish bundled along with it (ie currently 16.1)

Regarding the PRO key (paid version): even though I rarely use the features
that are unlocked by the PRO key, I went ahead and purchased the key to
support the good work the developer has done ✌️

Hope this helps,

PS: There was another thread on the same topic a while ago but I'm not sure
how to link that.

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Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sun, 2024-07-21 at 13:42 -0700, Michael Anderson via Scid-users wrote:
> I hear "DroidFish" is the preferred chess interface that automatically
> updates from the latest version of stockfish. It beats all of the other
> chess apps and is truly amazing. But they say that the sites have been
> hacked and there's some sort of Trojan Horse or untrusted certificates when
> it comes to downloading previous versions. What do you recommend as the
> strongest Android app for chess?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Michael Gene Anderson 
> (cell) - (510) 681-4982
> 
> "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble
> himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ 
> 
> "Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea
> by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order,
> beauty and perfection." 
> -- Hermann Weyl 
> > On Jul 21, 2024 at 1:50 AM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users
> > <sci...@li...> wrote: 
> > 
> > Oh, that I don't know (I use "Chess PGN Master" on my phone and tablet
> > which feels like a thinned down version for Scid fitted for Android
> > devices).
> > 
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[1] http://pgnmaster.kalab.com/) http://pgnmaster.kalab.com/

Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Michael A. <mat...@ya...>]

  
  
  
I hear "DroidFish" is the preferred chess interface that automatically updates from the latest version of stockfish. It beats all of the other chess apps and is truly amazing. But they say that the sites have been hacked and there's some sort of Trojan Horse or untrusted certificates when it comes to downloading previous versions. What do you recommend as the strongest Android app for chess?
  

  

  
  

  

  
  
Kind Regards,
  
Michael Gene Anderson   
  
(cell) - (510) 681-4982
  

  
"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ   
  

  
"Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order, beauty and perfection."   
  
-- Hermann Weyl   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
>   
> On Jul 21, 2024 at 1:50 AM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users  <sci...@li...>  wrote:
>   
>     
> Oh, that I don't know (I use "Chess PGN Master" on my phone and tablet which feels like a thinned down version for Scid fitted for Android devices).
>   
>
>   
>   
>   --  
>     
>
> Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
>
>   
>
> https://linktr.ee/bahmanm
>
>   
>   
>
>   
> On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 18:11 -0700, Michael Anderson via Scid-users wrote:
>   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> > Im sorry, I have Scid on the Go, not a laptop.
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Again, is there a "users manual"....(for   Scid on the Go,)?
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Thanks   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > Kind Regards,
> >   
> > Michael Gene Anderson   
> >   
> > (cell) - (510) 681-4982
> >   
> >
> >   
> > "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ   
> >   
> >
> >   
> > "Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order, beauty and perfection."   
> >   
> > -- Hermann Weyl   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> > >   
> > > On Jul 20, 2024 at 12:43 PM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users  <sci...@li...>  wrote:
> > >   
> > >   
> > >
> > >   
> > > It should be left and right arrow keys.
> > >   
> > >
> > >   
> > > 💡 Worth noting is that sometimes, when using a mix of mouse and keyboard to navigate the game, the Notation window loses focus and takes no keyboard input.
> > >   
> > > In such cases, I simply  right click  on an  empty area  in the  Notation  window which makes a menu pop up. Then I  right click  on an  empty area  of the  Notation  window which causes the popup menu to disappear.    At this point, the focus is back and Notation window takes keyboard input.
> > >   
> > >
> > >   
> > > Quite an annoying quirk but at least there's a way to work around it 🤷‍♂️    Let me know if that works for you as well.
> > >   
> > >   
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Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Oh, that I don't know (I use "Chess PGN Master" on my phone and tablet which
feels like a thinned down version for Scid fitted for Android devices).

-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 18:11 -0700, Michael Anderson via Scid-users wrote:
> Im sorry, I have Scid on the Go, not a laptop.
> 
> Again, is there a "users manual"....(for Scid on the Go,)?
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Michael Gene Anderson 
> (cell) - (510) 681-4982
> 
> "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble
> himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ 
> 
> "Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea
> by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order,
> beauty and perfection." 
> -- Hermann Weyl 
> > On Jul 20, 2024 at 12:43 PM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users
> > <sci...@li...> wrote: 
> > 
> > It should be left and right arrow keys.
> > 
> > 💡 Worth noting is that sometimes, when using a mix of mouse and keyboard
> > to navigate the game, the Notation window loses focus and takes no
> > keyboard input.
> > In such cases, I simply right click on an empty area in the Notation
> > window which makes a menu pop up. Then I right click on an empty area of
> > the Notation window which causes the popup menu to disappear.  At this
> > point, the focus is back and Notation window takes keyboard input.
> > 
> > Quite an annoying quirk but at least there's a way to work around it 🤷‍♂️
> >  Let me know if that works for you as well.
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Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Michael A. <mat...@ya...>]

  
  
  
Im sorry, I have Scid on the Go, not a laptop.
  

  
Again, is there a "users manual"....(for   Scid on the Go,)?
  

  
Thanks   
  

  
  

  

  
  
Kind Regards,
  
Michael Gene Anderson   
  
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"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ   
  

  
"Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order, beauty and perfection."   
  
-- Hermann Weyl   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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> On Jul 20, 2024 at 12:43 PM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users  <sci...@li...>  wrote:
>   
>     
> It should be left and right arrow keys.
>   
>
>   
> 💡 Worth noting is that sometimes, when using a mix of mouse and keyboard to navigate the game, the Notation window loses focus and takes no keyboard input.
>   
> In such cases, I simply  right click  on an  empty area  in the  Notation  window which makes a menu pop up. Then I  right click  on an  empty area  of the  Notation  window which causes the popup menu to disappear.    At this point, the focus is back and Notation window takes keyboard input.
>   
>
>   
> Quite an annoying quirk but at least there's a way to work around it 🤷‍♂️    Let me know if that works for you as well.
>   
>   
>   --  
>     
>
> Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
>
>   
>
> https://linktr.ee/bahmanm
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>   
> On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 12:33 -0700, Michael Anderson via Scid-users wrote:
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> >   
> >   
> > What are the "exact" keystrokes that facilitates this task?
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > Kind Regards,
> >   
> > Michael Gene Anderson   
> >   
> > (cell) - (510) 681-4982
> >   
> >
> >   
> > "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ   
> >   
> >
> >   
> > "Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order, beauty and perfection."   
> >   
> > -- Hermann Weyl   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> > >   
> > > On Jul 20, 2024 at 2:47 AM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users  <sci...@li...>  wrote:
> > >   
> > >   
> > >
> > >   
> > > Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment before a given move?    That is, instead of
> > >   
> > >       14... Qe7  Black was in time trouble.
> > >   
> > > have
> > >   
> > >        14...  Black was in time trouble.  Qe7
> > >   
> > >
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Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

It should be left and right arrow keys.

💡 Worth noting is that sometimes, when using a mix of mouse and keyboard to
navigate the game, the Notation window loses focus and takes no keyboard
input.
In such cases, I simply right click on an empty area in the Notation window
which makes a menu pop up. Then I right click on an empty area of the Notation
window which causes the popup menu to disappear.  At this point, the focus is
back and Notation window takes keyboard input.

Quite an annoying quirk but at least there's a way to work around it 🤷‍♂️
 Let me know if that works for you as well.
-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 12:33 -0700, Michael Anderson via Scid-users wrote:
> What are the "exact" keystrokes that facilitates this task?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Michael Gene Anderson 
> (cell) - (510) 681-4982
> 
> "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble
> himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ 
> 
> "Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea
> by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order,
> beauty and perfection." 
> -- Hermann Weyl 
> > On Jul 20, 2024 at 2:47 AM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users
> > <sci...@li...> wrote: 
> > 
> > Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment
> > before a given move?  That is, instead of
> >    14... Qe7 Black was in time trouble.
> > have
> >     14... Black was in time trouble. Qe7
> > 
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Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Michael A. <mat...@ya...>]

 
 
 
What are the "exact" keystrokes that facilitates this task?
 

 

 
 

 

 
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael Gene Anderson  
 
(cell) - (510) 681-4982
 

 
"And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." -- Jesus Christ  
 

 
"Symmetry, as wide or as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one idea by which man through the ages has tried to comprehend and create order, beauty and perfection."  
 
-- Hermann Weyl  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Jul 20, 2024 at 2:47 AM, Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users  <sci...@li...>  wrote:
>  
>    
> Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment before a given move?    That is, instead of
>  
>       14... Qe7  Black was in time trouble.
>  
> have
>  
>        14...  Black was in time trouble.  Qe7
>  
>
>  
>  
>   -- 
>    
>
> Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
>
>  
>
> https://linktr.ee/bahmanm
>
>  
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
> Scid-users mailing list
> Sci...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
>    
     

Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Lovely!  

The method works for any other move as well 🙌️

Say, you'd want to comment before Black's 14th move: 
   1. Open the Comment Editor window.
   2. In the Notation window, using the keyboard navigate to Black's 14th move.
   3. Now navigate one ply back, ie to White's 14th move.
   4. Start typing in the comment editor.
   5. Profit
    
Thanks for the useful tip 🙏️
-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 17:45 +0200, Gerardo Fernandez wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, it is possible only in the first move, where making the move, going
> backwards and inserting the comment, places it before the that first move.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:47 AM Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users
> <sci...@li...> wrote:
> > Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment
> > before a given move?  That is, instead of
> >    14... Qe7 Black was in time trouble.
> > have
> >     14... Black was in time trouble. Qe7
> > 

Re: [Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Gerardo F. <gf...@gm...>]

AFAIK, it is possible only in the first move, where making the move, going
backwards and inserting the comment, places it before the that first move.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:47 AM Bahman Movaqar via Scid-users <
sci...@li...> wrote:

> Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment
> before a given move?  That is, instead of
>    14... Qe7 Black was in time trouble.
> have
>     14... Black was in time trouble. Qe7
>
> --
>
> Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
>
> https://linktr.ee/bahmanm
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Saludos.
Gerardo.

[Scid-users] Add annotation before move

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

Pretty much what the title says; is there a way to add annotation/comment
before a given move?  That is, instead of
   14... Qe7 Black was in time trouble.
have
    14... Black was in time trouble. Qe7

-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm

[Scid-users] Donations and financial support

[Bahman M. <ba...@ba...>]

I am very pleased with the feature set, stability and the ease of use of Scid.
 Yes, there are plenty of points for improvement but even in its current
state, Scid stands a head and shoulder above every other chess database I've
ever seen and is 2nd only to ChessBase IMHO.

I'm wondering if there's a way to financially support the developers who've
created Scid?  It could be on LiberaPay, Ko-Fi, Patreon or any other service.
-- 
Bahman Movaqar (he/him/his)
https://linktr.ee/bahmanm