sablevm-developer

[Sablevm-developer] devel docs hunt

[Grzegorz B. P. <ga...@de...>]

Hi all,

I think it wouldn't be bad idea to put the presentation slides about
SableVM into devel.s.o/docs/ directory. I discussed it w/ Etienne
the other day and the only requirement he had for these docs was
that they were under LGPL (or more permessive license).

I have the presentation I did at Sable meeting in .pdf format, I also
have Etienne's Cascon presentation. I can say mine is LGPLed, I guess
Etienne can say the same about his. 

Do you have some other presentations (or other docs) that you think
might and should be put there? I for ex. thought about David's
presentation(s) about SableJIT and if there's no reason to hold
them unpublished (I can image some such reasons) - I'd like to
ask for them - preferably .pdf (or .ps) and under LGPL. You can
send me a private email w/ them.

I would also like to put a copy of Etienne's PhD thesis there (are
they LGPLed btw? ;-)

I might have missed some other docs that might be worth putting
there - ideas are appreciated.

Cheers,

				Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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Grzegorz B. Prokopski <ga...@de...>
Debian GNU/Linux      http://www.debian.org
SableVM - LGPLed JVM  http://www.sablevm.org
Why SableVM ?!?       http://devel.sablevm.org/wiki/WhySableVM

Re: [Sablevm-developer] devel docs hunt

[Chris P. <chr...@ma...>]

Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I think it wouldn't be bad idea to put the presentation slides about
> SableVM into devel.s.o/docs/ directory. 

what is "devel.s.o"?

I discussed it w/ Etienne
> the other day and the only requirement he had for these docs was
> that they were under LGPL (or more permessive license).
> 
> I have the presentation I did at Sable meeting in .pdf format, I also
> have Etienne's Cascon presentation. I can say mine is LGPLed, I guess
> Etienne can say the same about his. 
> 
> Do you have some other presentations (or other docs) that you think
> might and should be put there? I for ex. thought about David's
> presentation(s) about SableJIT and if there's no reason to hold
> them unpublished (I can image some such reasons) - I'd like to
> ask for them - preferably .pdf (or .ps) and under LGPL. You can
> send me a private email w/ them.

I have some presentations and reports, but nothing official.  However, I
don't want to put them in just yet; I might want to reuse some of the
figures or text for submitted work, and depending on the journal /
conference / publisher / whatever, that might preclude releasing them
under the LGPL (not sure, but Etienne did say this might be a problem).

I think putting .ps and .pdf and .png is equivalent to putting binaries 
in.  If they're going to be in there, they should be built from .tex et 
al. (otherwise, what is the point?  It is only going to inflate the size 
of the code tree).

But ... for actual final copies of documents, I think it's better to 
make a page somewhere called "papers and presentations" and link to it 
from sablevm.org.

I would personally rather see us focus on getting the files we
currently have into some kind of .texinfo format or something first, 
before going on a hunt for even more information.  And rather than a 
collection of papers, I think we need some kind of coherent document 
describing the structure and function of SableVM from a developer's 
perspective.  Something that a developer can read easily using his or 
her terminal.

So ... I think we should organize what we have into .texinfo, make it 
nice and installable and browsable, and then convert TeX sources of 
non-repository papers, presentations, theses, and other publications 
into either plain text (or perhaps directly into .texinfo?) before 
putting them into the repository (provided we have permission).

Sorry if this was long :(

Cheers,
Chris

Re: [Sablevm-developer] devel docs hunt

[Etienne G. <gag...@uq...>]

Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> I have the presentation I did at Sable meeting in .pdf format, I also
> have Etienne's Cascon presentation. I can say mine is LGPLed, I guess
> Etienne can say the same about his. 

OK for the presentation.

> Do you have some other presentations (or other docs) that you think
> might and should be put there? I for ex. thought about David's
> presentation(s) about SableJIT and if there's no reason to hold
> them unpublished (I can image some such reasons) - I'd like to
> ask for them - preferably .pdf (or .ps) and under LGPL. You can
> send me a private email w/ them.
> 
> I would also like to put a copy of Etienne's PhD thesis there (are
> they LGPLed btw? ;-)

My thesis is not licensed under the LGPL.  It has no explicit license,
only the implicit "you may download it and read it" license (being
available online).

I do not think that it is appropriate to license research papers under
the LGPL.  It would be OK to do so, if we wrote a "user manual".  This
is probably already the case with the "man page".

There is a svn+ssh://svn.sablevm.org/group/ repository (available to people
that have to add "/public/" to access the public repository) that is more
appropriate for sharing group-specific documents.  I can also provide
"private" repositories, accessible to one person and myself only, ideal
for working on new papers & theses.

Etienne

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Etienne M. Gagnon, Ph.D.             http://www.info.uqam.ca/~egagnon/
SableVM:                                       http://www.sablevm.org/
SableCC:                                       http://www.sablecc.org/

Re: [Sablevm-developer] devel docs hunt

[Grzegorz B. P. <ga...@de...>]

On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 12:53, Etienne Gagnon wrote:
> Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> > I have the presentation I did at Sable meeting in .pdf format, I also
> > have Etienne's Cascon presentation. I can say mine is LGPLed, I guess
> > Etienne can say the same about his. 
> 
> OK for the presentation.

Good.

> > Do you have some other presentations (or other docs) that you think
> > might and should be put there? I for ex. thought about David's
> > presentation(s) about SableJIT and if there's no reason to hold
> > them unpublished (I can image some such reasons) - I'd like to
> > ask for them - preferably .pdf (or .ps) and under LGPL. You can
> > send me a private email w/ them.
> > 
> > I would also like to put a copy of Etienne's PhD thesis there (are
> > they LGPLed btw? ;-)
> 
> My thesis is not licensed under the LGPL.  It has no explicit license,
> only the implicit "you may download it and read it" license (being
> available online).
> 
> I do not think that it is appropriate to license research papers under
> the LGPL.  It would be OK to do so, if we wrote a "user manual".  This
> is probably already the case with the "man page".
> 
> There is a svn+ssh://svn.sablevm.org/group/ repository (available to people
> that have to add "/public/" to access the public repository) that is more
> appropriate for sharing group-specific documents.  I can also provide
> "private" repositories, accessible to one person and myself only, ideal
> for working on new papers & theses.

OK, I understand. But the reason why I asked for that is to gather some
documentation in (pretty much empty) ./docs directory. I (personaly)
don't care about the docs source codes ATM, I don't care about the exact
license as long as it permits distribution. (LGPL was _your_
requirement - how about putting your thesis there then?).

I'd love to put David's presentation there too, but the one that is
available on his home site is quite preliminary/outdated. OTOH, as I
said originally, I understand that there can be perfectly good reasons
for not publishing these things (yet).

Cheers,

					GBP

Re: [Sablevm-developer] devel docs hunt

[Etienne G. <gag...@uq...>]

Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> (LGPL was _your_
> requirement - how about putting your thesis there then?).

A URL to my thesis should be good enough... ;-P

Etienne

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Etienne M. Gagnon, Ph.D.             http://www.info.uqam.ca/~egagnon/
SableVM:                                       http://www.sablevm.org/
SableCC:                                       http://www.sablecc.org/

[Sablevm-developer] Re: devel docs hunt

[David <db...@cs...>]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 02:49:12AM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
> Do you have some other presentations (or other docs) that you think
> might and should be put there? I for ex. thought about David's
> presentation(s) about SableJIT and if there's no reason to hold
> them unpublished (I can image some such reasons) - I'd like to
> ask for them - preferably .pdf (or .ps) and under LGPL. You can
> send me a private email w/ them.

Hello,

I added my 2nd SableJIT presentation to my website in the research
section.

http://www.sable.mcgill.ca/~dbelan2/#research

Note that it is currently unlicenced but I am giving you the permissions
to redistribute it.  Note: It is not that useful for end-users/developper=
s,
the SableJIT README is more useful for that.  So maybe simply linking to
it would be better?


David

---

David B=E9langer
Graduate Student
School of Computer Science
McGill University
Office: MC226

Web page:   http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~dbelan2/
Public key: http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~dbelan2/public_key.txt

[Sablevm-developer] Re: devel docs hunt

[Etienne G. <gag...@uq...>]

David B=E9langer wrote:
> I added my 2nd SableJIT presentation to my website in the research
> section.
>=20
> http://www.sable.mcgill.ca/~dbelan2/#research
>=20
> Note that it is currently unlicenced but I am giving you the permission=
s
> to redistribute it.  Note: It is not that useful for end-users/developp=
ers,
> the SableJIT README is more useful for that.  So maybe simply linking t=
o
> it would be better?

I would think so.  Now, I would agree that such non-LGPL documents that a=
 are
"free to look at" be added on the website (/websites/trunk/www.sablevm.or=
g/).


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Etienne M. Gagnon, Ph.D.             http://www.info.uqam.ca/~egagnon/
SableVM:                                       http://www.sablevm.org/
SableCC:                                       http://www.sablecc.org/