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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Save Read files

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Hey Michal,

Well that depends of course on what kind of data it is etc.
And I think you'll have more success with this question on either a =20
pure ruby or cocoa mailing list.

You could save it through conventional ruby ways, maybe Marshal #dump/=20=

#load, which is more of a ruby-lang ml question.
Or through cocoa ways, in which case this would be more of a question =20=

for the cocoa-dev ml.

Anyway, I would advice you to at least write a bit more context of =20
what it is that you are trying to save and if you have special =20
requirements.

Eloy.

On 2 feb 2008, at 15:01, Michal Malinowski wrote:

> Hey!
>
> I'll try it later. But I got next question, I have data in " =20
> @@bundle =3D [@@bz1, @@bz2, @@bz3, @@bo1, @@bo2, @@bo3, @@czas, =20
> @@zakloceniabz1, @zakloceniabz2, @zakloceniabz3, @regulator]" and I =20=

> need to save it to file, and read it from that file too. So mayby =20
> some clues. Thanks for any help.
>
> Best Regards Michal
> Wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 napisana w dniu 2008-02-02, o godz 14:27, przez =
Eloy =20
> Duran:
>
>> Hi Michal,
>>
>> Well it seems that you are sending the #bounds=3D message
>> to the NSApplication instance rather than to a Game instance.
>>
>> This is the code:
>>
>> class GameView < OSX::NSView
>>   ib_outlets :game
>>
>>   def awakeFromNib
>>     window.setOpaque(false)
>>     @game.bounds =3D bounds
>>     @timer =3D =20
>> OSX=20
>> ::NSTimer=20
>> .scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval_target_selector_userInfo_repeats_=20
>> (1.0/60.0, self, :tick, nil, true)
>>   end
>> end
>> So the line that's causing the error is: "@game.bounds =3D bounds"
>> because if an objc object does not respond to a setter method, in =20
>> this case #bounds=3D(val),
>> RubyCocoa will try to turn it into a objc (old) style setter =20
>> method, which would be #setBounds(val).
>> So maybe you have connected the ib_outlet to the wrong object in IB?
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Eloy
>> On 2 feb 2008, at 11:50, Michal Malinowski wrote:
>>
>>> Hey!
>>> I got that Rubyrocks example from =
http://www.rubycocoa.com/ruby-rocks/=20
>>>  and I got problem while I'm Building program. The problem from =20
>>> console is
>>> 2008-02-02 11:47:08.890 grafika1[653:10b] GameView#awakeFromNib: =20
>>> OSX::OCMessageSendException: Can't get Objective-C method =20
>>> signature for selector 'setBounds:' of receiver =20
>>> #<OSX::NSApplication:0x2d348 class=3D'NSApplication' id=3D0x3e79e0>
>>>
>>> Best Regards Michal
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[Rubycocoa-talk] Save Read files

[Michal M. <mmi...@gm...>]

Hey!

I'll try it later. But I got next question, I have data in " @@bundle =20=

=3D [@@bz1, @@bz2, @@bz3, @@bo1, @@bo2, @@bo3, @@czas, @@zakloceniabz1, =20=

@zakloceniabz2, @zakloceniabz3, @regulator]" and I need to save it to =20=

file, and read it from that file too. So mayby some clues. Thanks for =20=

any help.

Best Regards Michal
Wiadomo=B6=E6 napisana w dniu 2008-02-02, o godz 14:27, przez Eloy =
Duran:

> Hi Michal,
>
> Well it seems that you are sending the #bounds=3D message
> to the NSApplication instance rather than to a Game instance.
>
> This is the code:
>
> class GameView < OSX::NSView
>   ib_outlets :game
>
>   def awakeFromNib
>     window.setOpaque(false)
>     @game.bounds =3D bounds
>     @timer =3D =20
> OSX=20
> ::NSTimer=20
> .scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval_target_selector_userInfo_repeats_=20
> (1.0/60.0, self, :tick, nil, true)
>   end
> end
> So the line that's causing the error is: "@game.bounds =3D bounds"
> because if an objc object does not respond to a setter method, in =20
> this case #bounds=3D(val),
> RubyCocoa will try to turn it into a objc (old) style setter method, =20=

> which would be #setBounds(val).
> So maybe you have connected the ib_outlet to the wrong object in IB?
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Eloy
> On 2 feb 2008, at 11:50, Michal Malinowski wrote:
>
>> Hey!
>> I got that Rubyrocks example from =
http://www.rubycocoa.com/ruby-rocks/=20
>>  and I got problem while I'm Building program. The problem from =20
>> console is
>> 2008-02-02 11:47:08.890 grafika1[653:10b] GameView#awakeFromNib: =20
>> OSX::OCMessageSendException: Can't get Objective-C method signature =20=

>> for selector 'setBounds:' of receiver #<OSX::NSApplication:0x2d348 =20=

>> class=3D'NSApplication' id=3D0x3e79e0>
>>
>> Best Regards Michal
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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Rubyrocks

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Hi Michal,

Well it seems that you are sending the #bounds= message
to the NSApplication instance rather than to a Game instance.

This is the code:

class GameView < OSX::NSView
   ib_outlets :game

   def awakeFromNib
     window.setOpaque(false)
     @game.bounds = bounds
     @timer =  
OSX 
::NSTimer 
.scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval_target_selector_userInfo_repeats_ 
(1.0/60.0, self, :tick, nil, true)
   end
end
So the line that's causing the error is: "@game.bounds = bounds"
because if an objc object does not respond to a setter method, in this  
case #bounds=(val),
RubyCocoa will try to turn it into a objc (old) style setter method,  
which would be #setBounds(val).
So maybe you have connected the ib_outlet to the wrong object in IB?

Hope this helps.

Eloy
On 2 feb 2008, at 11:50, Michal Malinowski wrote:

> Hey!
> I got that Rubyrocks example from http://www.rubycocoa.com/ruby- 
> rocks/ and I got problem while I'm Building program. The problem  
> from console is
> 2008-02-02 11:47:08.890 grafika1[653:10b] GameView#awakeFromNib:  
> OSX::OCMessageSendException: Can't get Objective-C method signature  
> for selector 'setBounds:' of receiver #<OSX::NSApplication:0x2d348  
> class='NSApplication' id=0x3e79e0>
>
> Best Regards Michal
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[Rubycocoa-talk] Rubyrocks

[Michal M. <mmi...@gm...>]

Hey!
I got that Rubyrocks example from http://www.rubycocoa.com/ruby-rocks/  
and I got problem while I'm Building program. The problem from console  
is
2008-02-02 11:47:08.890 grafika1[653:10b] GameView#awakeFromNib:  
OSX::OCMessageSendException: Can't get Objective-C method signature  
for selector 'setBounds:' of receiver #<OSX::NSApplication:0x2d348  
class='NSApplication' id=0x3e79e0>

Best Regards Michal

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Status of "Core Animation" support?

[Patrick G. <pge...@wa...>]

Hello,

> Sorry if this has been discussed before but I haven't been able to  
> understand if RubyCocoa supports "Core Animation". What is the  
> status of that support? Any examples available of CA use in RC?

Yes, it's supported. I have found no official sample code, but you can  
find some stuff around.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5736331 is a custom  
view that will animate text to where you clicked.

-Patrick

[Rubycocoa-talk] Status of "Core Animation" support?

[Robert F. <rob...@bt...>]

Hi,

Sorry if this has been discussed before but I haven't been able to
understand if RubyCocoa supports "Core Animation". What is the status of
that support? Any examples available of CA use in RC?

-- 
Best regards,

/Robert Feldt

[Rubycocoa-talk] AddressBook framework (the example "ABPresence")

[Yvon T. <yvo...@gm...>]

because i need to use the AddressBook framework, i'm following the example
"ABPresence".
however if, in AddressBook preferences, i switch to/from last name first /
first name first (the AddressBook UI is right switching)

i don't see this switching in the variable "lastNameFirst" :


    lastNameFirst = (flags & KABNameOrderingMask) == KABLastNameFirst


similarly to "ABPersonDisplayName.rb" if i write a "firstNameFirst" var, as
for "lastNameFirst" i get allways false as a resut.


then having both : lastNameFirst === firstNameFirst === false


is there a known bugg (in the framework itself ???)


best,


yvon

[Rubycocoa-talk] [Slightly OT] libxsl on OSX

[Tim P. <he...@ti...>]

Hey all,

I know the core team did a lot of work with libxml-ruby for Plist  
parsing, and I have libxml-ruby installed no problem. However, libxsl- 
ruby just wont install at all on OSX as it complains about an  
architecture issue. I was wondering if anyone has had any luck  
installing libxsl on OSX and how they resolved the problems?

Cheers

Tim

[Rubycocoa-talk] Global Exception Handler ?

[Patrick G. <pge...@wa...>]

Hello,

Is there a way to catch all exceptions with a global handler, like  
window.onerror in Javascript ?

Thanks,
-Patrick

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Testers wanted.

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Hi,

Satoshi-san has let me know that for him the sample works as expected  
on the latest svn revision.
So could the people that have this problem please put the following  
somewhere in your code to verify which version is being used?:

p OSX::RUBYCOCOA_SVN_REVISION

For me it's "2179:2180".

Cheers,
Eloy

On 29 jan 2008, at 21:22, Ferhat Ayaz wrote:

> Hi Eloy,
>
> Thanks. I get the error message after I add a mailbox entry.
>
> Ferhat
>
> 2008-01-29 21:19:27.145 MailDemoActiveRecordBindings[6672:10b]  
> OSX::ActiveRecordSetController#newObject: NoMethodError: undefined  
> method `reflect_on_all_associations' for NilClass
> 	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> oc_import.rb:751:in `method_missing'
> 	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> active_record.rb:275:in `is_association?'
> 	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> active_record.rb:374:in `initialize'
> 	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> active_record.rb:72:in `objectClass'
> 	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> active_record.rb:72:in `newObject'
> 	/Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/ 
> build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/ 
> rb_main.rb:17:in `NSApplicationMain'
> 	/Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/ 
> build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/ 
> rb_main.rb:17
> /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/ 
> oc_import.rb:751:in `method_missing': undefined method  
> `reflect_on_all_associations' for NilClass (NoMethodError)
> 	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/ 
> objc/active_record.rb:275:in `is_association?'
> 	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/ 
> objc/active_record.rb:374:in `initialize'
> 	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/ 
> objc/active_record.rb:72:in `objectClass'
> 	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/ 
> objc/active_record.rb:72:in `newObject'
> 	from /Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/ 
> MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/ 
> MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17:in  
> `NSApplicationMain'
> 	from /Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/ 
> MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/ 
> MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Eloy Duran <e....@su...>
> To: rub...@li...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:14:18 PM
> Subject: [Rubycocoa-talk] Testers wanted.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Could the people who are on RubyCocoa trunk please test
> the MailDemoActiveRecordBindings sample in rev. 2180.
>
> Because there were multiple reports from people which
> seem to run into problems with recent changes to the ActiveRecord  
> stuff,
> however I don't seem to experience those problems.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Eloy
>
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[Rubycocoa-talk] malloc error with NSSpeechSynthesizer phonemesFromText

[<Joe...@la...>]

A late happy new year wish to all,

I get a malloc error when I try to use the phonemesFromText method of =20=

the NSSpeechSynthesizer class.

----test irb----

Villon:~ brogniar$ irb
 >> require 'osx/cocoa'
=3D> true
 >> puts OSX::RUBYCOCOA_VERSION
0.12.0
=3D> nil
 >> include OSX
=3D> Object
 >> speaker =3D NSSpeechSynthesizer.alloc.init
=3D> #<OSX::NSSpeechSynthesizer:0x297d4a class=3D'NSSpeechSynthesizer' =20=

id=3D0x1b81790>
 >> text =3D "abc"
=3D> "abc"
 >> phonemes =3D speaker.phonemesFromText(text)
                  (1314,0xa0371f60) malloc: *** mmap(size=3D2442014720) =20=

failed (error code=3D12)
*** error: can't allocate region
*** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
=3D> nil
 >> text =3D NSString.alloc.init("abc")
=3D> #<OSX::NSCFString:0x294faa class=3D'NSCFString' id=3D0xa07b0258>
 >> phonemes =3D speaker.phonemesFromText(text)
                  (1314,0xa0371f60) malloc: *** mmap(size=3D3221200896) =20=

failed (error code=3D12)
*** error: can't allocate region
*** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
=3D> nil
 >>

--------------

I can use the startSpeakingString without problem. Am I doing =20
something wrong?

Yours,

Jo=EBl Brogniart=

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Testers wanted.

[Ferhat A. <fer...@ya...>]

Hi Eloy,


Thanks. I get the error message after I add a mailbox entry.


Ferhat


2008-01-29 21:19:27.145 MailDemoActiveRecordBindings[6672:10b] OSX::ActiveRecordSetController#newObject: NoMethodError: undefined method `reflect_on_all_associations' for NilClass

	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/oc_import.rb:751:in `method_missing'

	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:275:in `is_association?'

	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:374:in `initialize'

	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:72:in `objectClass'

	/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:72:in `newObject'

	/Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17:in `NSApplicationMain'

	/Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17

/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/oc_import.rb:751:in `method_missing': undefined method `reflect_on_all_associations' for NilClass (NoMethodError)

	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:275:in `is_association?'

	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:374:in `initialize'

	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:72:in `objectClass'

	from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Resources/ruby/osx/objc/active_record.rb:72:in `newObject'

	from /Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17:in `NSApplicationMain'

	from /Developer/Examples/RubyCocoa/MailDemo/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings/build/Release/MailDemoActiveRecordBindings.app/Contents/Resources/rb_main.rb:17



----- Original Message ----
From: Eloy Duran <e....@su...>
To: rub...@li...
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:14:18 PM
Subject: [Rubycocoa-talk] Testers wanted.


Hi 
all,

Could 
the 
people 
who 
are 
on 
RubyCocoa 
trunk 
please 
test
the 
MailDemoActiveRecordBindings 
sample 
in 
rev. 
2180.

Because 
there 
were 
multiple 
reports 
from 
people 
which
seem 
to 
run 
into 
problems 
with 
recent 
changes 
to 
the 
ActiveRecord 
stuff,
however 
I 
don't 
seem 
to 
experience 
those 
problems.

Thanks 
in 
advance,
Eloy

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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] ActiveRecord Overrides

[Cory L. <co...@ma...>]

Thanks for the input. Things are starting to make sense. I'm still a  
bit lost on the new record thing. I think my confusion is when it  
comes to the bindings/outlets. I've done the following as suggested:

class MyController < OSX::NSObject
   ib_outlet :record_set_controller

   def some_action
     # add a new record, with proxy, to the managed content of the  
ActiveRecordSetController
     @record_set_controller.addObject MyClassProxy.create
   end
end

some_action is triggered when enter is pressed in a text field. In IB  
I've added a key to MyClassProxy for record_set_controller (and  
several variations similar), but I continue to get this error:

MyController#rbValueForKey: OSX::OCMessageSendException: Can't get  
Objective-C method signature for selector 'create' of receiver  
MyClassProxy. I feel like I'm on the verge of getting this, but  
staring at the screen with the same results for the past few hours is  
getting me no where.

Would you happen to know if there is an example that might help  
explain this process? I think the issue is stemming from MyController  
not being able to properly access MyClass or MyClassProxy as any  
attempt to even use methods in those classes results in a similar error.

Thanks again for your help so far.

Cory

On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Eloy Duran wrote:

> Ah ok, I thought you wanted to update a NSTableColumn.
>
> If you just want to deal with ActiveRecord data, you should only deal
> with
> that in your model, so in your case MyClass something like:
>
> class MyClass < ActiveRecord::Base
>   before_update :update_price
>
>   def update_price
>     self.price = 342
>   end
> end
>
> The proxies are just a very thin layer between the model and bindings.
> So all your data stuff goes into to the model and if you need to do  
> some
> special work on your data when it goes from the model to the bindings
> or vice vers
> then you do that in the proxy.
>
> When you create a new record and a proxy for it you still need to add
> it to the collection that's
> being managed by the ActiveRecordSetController. The
> ActiveRecordSetController is a
> subclass of NSArrayController, so you can check the docs for that on
> adding objects to the collection:
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/ApplicationKit/Classes/NSArrayController_Class/Reference/Reference.html
>
> If you want to do this you'll need a reference (IB outlet) to the
> ActiveRecordSetController in your controller.
> You can then do something like:
>
> class MyController < OSX::NSObject
>   ib_outlet :record_set_controller
>
>   def some_action(sender)
>     # add a new record, with proxy, to the managed content of the
> ActiveRecordSetController
>     @record_set_controller.addObject MyClassProxy.create
>   end
> end
>
> Cheers,
> Eloy
>
> On 29 jan 2008, at 01:32, Cory Loken wrote:
>
>> Right now my solution is very specific to the task:
>>
>> #in MyProxy
>> def rbSetValue_forKey(value, key)
>> 	if key.to_s == 'upc'
>> 		@record[key.to_s] = value.to_ruby rescue nil
>> 		@record["price"] = 342 rescue nil
>> 		result = @record.save
>> 	else
>> 		super(value, key)
>> 	end
>> end
>>
>> I figure I can revisit it once I get some other concepts tackled
>> first.
>>
>> I'm a bit confused by the proxy thing. I have a something like
>> MyClass, MyProxy, and MyController. In the controller I can create  
>> the
>> new record, but nothing shows up in the table until I restart the  
>> app.
>> I think this is where my understanding of the proxy is breaking down.
>> MyController.create works fine, but any variation of MyProxy.create  
>> or
>> something with to_activerecord_proxy just results in my loss and
>> confusion.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions on documentation? I've been picking apart
>> the includes and examples, but that only gets me so far.
>>
>> Thanks for the previous suggestions.
>>
>> Cory
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Eloy Duran wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cory,
>>>
>>> There's indeed no other way yet to do it then you have done with
>>> rbSetValue_forKey.
>>> There is only on_get for when data is being requested.
>>>
>>> I'm interested to see the code on how you did it, so we could maybe
>>> turn it into a nicer solution.
>>>
>>> About creating records from your code, you can simply use the normal
>>> way of doing this with AR.
>>> So: Mailbox.create etc.
>>>
>>> But if you're gonna add it to a ActiveRecordSetController, or
>>> anything
>>> other related to bindings,
>>> you'll need a proxy. You can use #to_activerecord_proxy on the AR
>>> instance, or create it in one go with:
>>> MailboxProxy.create etc.
>>>
>>> You can than add it to the ActiveRecordSetController with
>>> #addObject(proxy).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Eloy
>>>
>>> On 28 jan 2008, at 20:37, Cory Loken wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am just beginning to explore the ActiveRecord support in
>>>> RubyCocoa.
>>>> Everything works great when I want to allow everything to be  
>>>> handled
>>>> by AR, but there are a few cases where I would like to manipulate
>>>> the
>>>> data before the records are created, modified, or destroyed. In one
>>>> case I would like to update a cell if another column in that row is
>>>> modified. I've managed to do this by creating my own
>>>> rbSetValue_forKey
>>>> method and then calling the super method if I don't need to do
>>>> anything special. I am totally lost however on what to do when I
>>>> want
>>>> to create my own record from values in my script or delete a record
>>>> manually. Is this documented anywhere or does anyone have a
>>>> suggestion
>>>> on how I might do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>>
>>>> Cory
>>>>
>>>>
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[Rubycocoa-talk] Testers wanted.

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Hi all,

Could the people who are on RubyCocoa trunk please test
the MailDemoActiveRecordBindings sample in rev. 2180.

Because there were multiple reports from people which
seem to run into problems with recent changes to the ActiveRecord stuff,
however I don't seem to experience those problems.

Thanks in advance,
Eloy

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] First steps

[Ferhat A. <fer...@ya...>]

Hi Michal,

imho use kvc_accessor's and bindings instead of ib_outlets. Bind your sliders to your Kontrolla with the desired keyPath or even better consider each box with sliders as a model class (maybe NSDictionary?)

Ferhat Ayaz

----- Original Message ----
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To: rub...@li...
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:31:10 AM
Subject: [Rubycocoa-talk]  First steps


Hi! This are my first steps in Rubycocoa and I hope this is the right place to find some help. I so far read few tutorials, and I know only bacics. So let me describe my problem. I'm doing gui like that http://s32721.ps.pl/pid.png but the code is like that (@the end of post) and it's only for that BZ1, still BZ2, BZ3 and so on. So What is the shortest way to save that data somewhere? (By the way I got whole code from Ruby, and I need to transform it to Rubycocoa if its making some changes.)

Best Regards Michal


class Kontrola < OSX::NSWindowController


	ib_outlet :a1Sli, :a1Txt, :a2Sli, :a2Txt, :b1Sli, :b1Txt, :k1Sli, :k1Txt, :k11Sli, :k11Txt, :textField, :t1Sli, :t1Txt,
	:t2Sli, :t2Txt, :t3Sli, :t3Txt
#BZ1
#a
	def bz1a(sender)
		a1 = @a1Sli.intValue
		@a1Txt.setStringValue(a1.to_s)
	end
	ib_action :bz1a
  #b
	def bz1b(sender)
		b1 = @b1Sli.intValue
		@b1Txt.setStringValue(b1.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1b
	#k
	def bz1k(sender)
		k1 = @k1Sli.intValue
		@k1Txt.setStringValue(k1.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1k
#k1
def bz1k1(sender)
		k11 = @k11Sli.intValue
		@k11Txt.setStringValue(k11.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1k1
#t1
def bz1t1(sender)
		t1 = @t1Sli.intValue
		@t1Txt.setStringValue(t1.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1t1
#t2
def bz1t2(sender)
		t2 = @t2Sli.intValue
		@t2Txt.setStringValue(t2.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1t2
#t3
def bz1t3(sender)
		t3 = @t3Sli.intValue
		@t3Txt.setStringValue(t3.to_s)
	end
  ib_action :bz1t3
    

  #BZ2
  #a
  def bz2a(sender)
		a = @a2Sli.intValue
		@a2Txt.setStringValue(a.to_s)
		@a2 = a;
	end
	ib_action :bz2a2
  	#b
	#k
#k1
#t1
#t2
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[Rubycocoa-talk] First steps

[Michal M. <mmi...@gm...>]

Hi!
This are my first steps in Rubycocoa and I hope this is the right  
place to find some help. I so far read few tutorials, and I know only  
bacics. So let me describe my problem. I'm doing gui like that http://s32721.ps.pl/pid.png 
  but the code is like that (@the end of post) and it's only for that  
BZ1, still BZ2, BZ3 and so on. So What is the shortest way to save  
that data somewhere? (By the way I got whole code from Ruby, and I  
need to transform it to Rubycocoa if its making some changes.)

Best Regards Michal

class Kontrola < OSX::NSWindowController

	 
ib_outlet 
  :a1Sli 
, :a1Txt 
, :a2Sli 
, :a2Txt 
, :b1Sli 
, :b1Txt, :k1Sli, :k1Txt, :k11Sli, :k11Txt, :textField, :t1Sli, :t1Txt,
	:t2Sli, :t2Txt, :t3Sli, :t3Txt
#BZ1
#a
	def bz1a(sender)
		a1 = @a1Sli.intValue
		@a1Txt.setStringValue(a1.to_s)
	end
	ib_action :bz1a
   #b
	def bz1b(sender)
		b1 = @b1Sli.intValue
		@b1Txt.setStringValue(b1.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1b
	#k
	def bz1k(sender)
		k1 = @k1Sli.intValue
		@k1Txt.setStringValue(k1.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1k
#k1
def bz1k1(sender)
		k11 = @k11Sli.intValue
		@k11Txt.setStringValue(k11.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1k1
#t1
def bz1t1(sender)
		t1 = @t1Sli.intValue
		@t1Txt.setStringValue(t1.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1t1
#t2
def bz1t2(sender)
		t2 = @t2Sli.intValue
		@t2Txt.setStringValue(t2.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1t2
#t3
def bz1t3(sender)
		t3 = @t3Sli.intValue
		@t3Txt.setStringValue(t3.to_s)
	end
   ib_action :bz1t3

   #BZ2
   #a
   def bz2a(sender)
		a = @a2Sli.intValue
		@a2Txt.setStringValue(a.to_s)
		@a2 = a;
	end
	ib_action :bz2a2
   	#b
	#k
#k1
#t1
#t2
#t3

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] ActiveRecord Overrides

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Ah ok, I thought you wanted to update a NSTableColumn.

If you just want to deal with ActiveRecord data, you should only deal  
with
that in your model, so in your case MyClass something like:

class MyClass < ActiveRecord::Base
   before_update :update_price

   def update_price
     self.price = 342
   end
end

The proxies are just a very thin layer between the model and bindings.
So all your data stuff goes into to the model and if you need to do some
special work on your data when it goes from the model to the bindings  
or vice vers
then you do that in the proxy.

When you create a new record and a proxy for it you still need to add  
it to the collection that's
being managed by the ActiveRecordSetController. The  
ActiveRecordSetController is a
subclass of NSArrayController, so you can check the docs for that on  
adding objects to the collection:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/ApplicationKit/Classes/NSArrayController_Class/Reference/Reference.html

If you want to do this you'll need a reference (IB outlet) to the  
ActiveRecordSetController in your controller.
You can then do something like:

class MyController < OSX::NSObject
   ib_outlet :record_set_controller

   def some_action(sender)
     # add a new record, with proxy, to the managed content of the  
ActiveRecordSetController
     @record_set_controller.addObject MyClassProxy.create
   end
end

Cheers,
Eloy

On 29 jan 2008, at 01:32, Cory Loken wrote:

> Right now my solution is very specific to the task:
>
> #in MyProxy
> def rbSetValue_forKey(value, key)
> 	if key.to_s == 'upc'
> 		@record[key.to_s] = value.to_ruby rescue nil
> 		@record["price"] = 342 rescue nil
> 		result = @record.save
> 	else
> 		super(value, key)
> 	end
> end
>
> I figure I can revisit it once I get some other concepts tackled  
> first.
>
> I'm a bit confused by the proxy thing. I have a something like
> MyClass, MyProxy, and MyController. In the controller I can create the
> new record, but nothing shows up in the table until I restart the app.
> I think this is where my understanding of the proxy is breaking down.
> MyController.create works fine, but any variation of MyProxy.create or
> something with to_activerecord_proxy just results in my loss and
> confusion.
>
> Do you have any suggestions on documentation? I've been picking apart
> the includes and examples, but that only gets me so far.
>
> Thanks for the previous suggestions.
>
> Cory
>
> On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Eloy Duran wrote:
>
>> Hi Cory,
>>
>> There's indeed no other way yet to do it then you have done with
>> rbSetValue_forKey.
>> There is only on_get for when data is being requested.
>>
>> I'm interested to see the code on how you did it, so we could maybe
>> turn it into a nicer solution.
>>
>> About creating records from your code, you can simply use the normal
>> way of doing this with AR.
>> So: Mailbox.create etc.
>>
>> But if you're gonna add it to a ActiveRecordSetController, or  
>> anything
>> other related to bindings,
>> you'll need a proxy. You can use #to_activerecord_proxy on the AR
>> instance, or create it in one go with:
>> MailboxProxy.create etc.
>>
>> You can than add it to the ActiveRecordSetController with
>> #addObject(proxy).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eloy
>>
>> On 28 jan 2008, at 20:37, Cory Loken wrote:
>>
>>> I am just beginning to explore the ActiveRecord support in  
>>> RubyCocoa.
>>> Everything works great when I want to allow everything to be handled
>>> by AR, but there are a few cases where I would like to manipulate  
>>> the
>>> data before the records are created, modified, or destroyed. In one
>>> case I would like to update a cell if another column in that row is
>>> modified. I've managed to do this by creating my own
>>> rbSetValue_forKey
>>> method and then calling the super method if I don't need to do
>>> anything special. I am totally lost however on what to do when I  
>>> want
>>> to create my own record from values in my script or delete a record
>>> manually. Is this documented anywhere or does anyone have a
>>> suggestion
>>> on how I might do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>> Cory
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] ActiveRecord Overrides

[Cory L. <co...@ma...>]

Right now my solution is very specific to the task:

#in MyProxy
def rbSetValue_forKey(value, key)
	if key.to_s == 'upc'
		@record[key.to_s] = value.to_ruby rescue nil
		@record["price"] = 342 rescue nil
		result = @record.save
	else
		super(value, key)
	end
end

I figure I can revisit it once I get some other concepts tackled first.

I'm a bit confused by the proxy thing. I have a something like  
MyClass, MyProxy, and MyController. In the controller I can create the  
new record, but nothing shows up in the table until I restart the app.  
I think this is where my understanding of the proxy is breaking down.  
MyController.create works fine, but any variation of MyProxy.create or  
something with to_activerecord_proxy just results in my loss and  
confusion.

Do you have any suggestions on documentation? I've been picking apart  
the includes and examples, but that only gets me so far.

Thanks for the previous suggestions.

Cory

On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Eloy Duran wrote:

> Hi Cory,
>
> There's indeed no other way yet to do it then you have done with
> rbSetValue_forKey.
> There is only on_get for when data is being requested.
>
> I'm interested to see the code on how you did it, so we could maybe
> turn it into a nicer solution.
>
> About creating records from your code, you can simply use the normal
> way of doing this with AR.
> So: Mailbox.create etc.
>
> But if you're gonna add it to a ActiveRecordSetController, or anything
> other related to bindings,
> you'll need a proxy. You can use #to_activerecord_proxy on the AR
> instance, or create it in one go with:
> MailboxProxy.create etc.
>
> You can than add it to the ActiveRecordSetController with
> #addObject(proxy).
>
> Cheers,
> Eloy
>
> On 28 jan 2008, at 20:37, Cory Loken wrote:
>
>> I am just beginning to explore the ActiveRecord support in RubyCocoa.
>> Everything works great when I want to allow everything to be handled
>> by AR, but there are a few cases where I would like to manipulate the
>> data before the records are created, modified, or destroyed. In one
>> case I would like to update a cell if another column in that row is
>> modified. I've managed to do this by creating my own  
>> rbSetValue_forKey
>> method and then calling the super method if I don't need to do
>> anything special. I am totally lost however on what to do when I want
>> to create my own record from values in my script or delete a record
>> manually. Is this documented anywhere or does anyone have a  
>> suggestion
>> on how I might do this?
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Cory
>>
>>
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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] ActiveRecord Overrides

[Eloy D. <e....@su...>]

Hi Cory,

There's indeed no other way yet to do it then you have done with  
rbSetValue_forKey.
There is only on_get for when data is being requested.

I'm interested to see the code on how you did it, so we could maybe  
turn it into a nicer solution.

About creating records from your code, you can simply use the normal  
way of doing this with AR.
So: Mailbox.create etc.

But if you're gonna add it to a ActiveRecordSetController, or anything  
other related to bindings,
you'll need a proxy. You can use #to_activerecord_proxy on the AR  
instance, or create it in one go with:
MailboxProxy.create etc.

You can than add it to the ActiveRecordSetController with  
#addObject(proxy).

Cheers,
Eloy

On 28 jan 2008, at 20:37, Cory Loken wrote:

> I am just beginning to explore the ActiveRecord support in RubyCocoa.
> Everything works great when I want to allow everything to be handled
> by AR, but there are a few cases where I would like to manipulate the
> data before the records are created, modified, or destroyed. In one
> case I would like to update a cell if another column in that row is
> modified. I've managed to do this by creating my own rbSetValue_forKey
> method and then calling the super method if I don't need to do
> anything special. I am totally lost however on what to do when I want
> to create my own record from values in my script or delete a record
> manually. Is this documented anywhere or does anyone have a suggestion
> on how I might do this?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Cory
>
>
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[Rubycocoa-talk] ActiveRecord Overrides

[Cory L. <co...@ma...>]

I am just beginning to explore the ActiveRecord support in RubyCocoa.  
Everything works great when I want to allow everything to be handled  
by AR, but there are a few cases where I would like to manipulate the  
data before the records are created, modified, or destroyed. In one  
case I would like to update a cell if another column in that row is  
modified. I've managed to do this by creating my own rbSetValue_forKey  
method and then calling the super method if I don't need to do  
anything special. I am totally lost however on what to do when I want  
to create my own record from values in my script or delete a record  
manually. Is this documented anywhere or does anyone have a suggestion  
on how I might do this?

Thanks for any info.

Cory

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] Missing CoreGraphics FrameWork ?

[Constant D. <con...@re...>]

Hi again,


Sorry for previous noise, it look's like the problem doesn't come =20
from my RubyCocoa installation, but from the RedArtisan module.
I will dig with author.

Constant

Le 24-janv.-08 =E0 19:52, Constant Dupuis a =E9crit :

> Hi,
>
> I just discover RubyCocoa and try to use it to manipulate images.
> I'm pretty new to OS X and ruby development.
>
> So I get code from RedArtisan (http://redartisan.com/tags/core%
> 20image) about using CoreImage with Ruby.
>
> I write the following test code
>
>
> require 'red_artisan/core_image/processor'
>
>   if Object.const_defined?(:OSX)
>   	puts "CoreImage loaded"
>   	p =3D RedArtisan::CoreImage::Processor.new OSX::CIImage.from
> ('source.jpg')
> 	p.resize(640, 480)
> 	p.render do |result|
> 		result.save('resized.jpg', OSX::NSJPEGFileType)
> 	end
>   else
>   	puts "CoreImage not loaded, tests not running"
>   end
>
> And I get this error message :
>
> /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ruby/osx/
> objc/oc_wrapper.rb:50:in `ocm_send': Can't get Objective-C method
> signature for selector 'initWithCIImage:' of receiver
> #<OSX::NSBitmapImageRep:0xa9009c class=3D'NSBitmapImageRep'
> id=3D0x2c2f310> (OSX::OCMessageSendException)
>          from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Versions/A/
> Resources/ruby/osx/objc/oc_wrapper.rb:50:in `method_missing'
>          from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:112:in `save'
>          from test.rb:9
>          from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:72:in `call'
>          from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:72:in `render'
>          from test.rb:8
>
> After looking in the RubyCocoa Framework source code. I found that it
> should load CoreGraphics framework and I don't find it in my /Library/
> Framework folder !
>
> I install XCode tool so didi I miss something ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Constant
>
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[Rubycocoa-talk] UI freezes

[Yvon T. <yvo...@gm...>]

after a :

runModalForDirectory_file_types( ... )


if i want to set up a text within a NSTextFiled nothing appears on the UI.


after this (writing to a NSTextField) I'm browsing diectories to get some
informations about the files.


does i need to put the writing into NSTextField in a separate thred ?

-- 
yvon

[Rubycocoa-talk] Missing CoreGraphics FrameWork ?

[Constant D. <con...@re...>]

Hi,

I just discover RubyCocoa and try to use it to manipulate images.
I'm pretty new to OS X and ruby development.

So I get code from RedArtisan (http://redartisan.com/tags/core% 
20image) about using CoreImage with Ruby.

I write the following test code


require 'red_artisan/core_image/processor'

  if Object.const_defined?(:OSX)
  	puts "CoreImage loaded"
  	p = RedArtisan::CoreImage::Processor.new OSX::CIImage.from 
('source.jpg')
	p.resize(640, 480)
	p.render do |result|
		result.save('resized.jpg', OSX::NSJPEGFileType)
	end
  else
  	puts "CoreImage not loaded, tests not running"
  end

And I get this error message :

/Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ruby/osx/ 
objc/oc_wrapper.rb:50:in `ocm_send': Can't get Objective-C method  
signature for selector 'initWithCIImage:' of receiver  
#<OSX::NSBitmapImageRep:0xa9009c class='NSBitmapImageRep'  
id=0x2c2f310> (OSX::OCMessageSendException)
         from /Library/Frameworks/RubyCocoa.framework/Versions/A/ 
Resources/ruby/osx/objc/oc_wrapper.rb:50:in `method_missing'
         from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:112:in `save'
         from test.rb:9
         from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:72:in `call'
         from ./red_artisan/core_image/processor.rb:72:in `render'
         from test.rb:8

After looking in the RubyCocoa Framework source code. I found that it  
should load CoreGraphics framework and I don't find it in my /Library/ 
Framework folder !

I install XCode tool so didi I miss something ?

Thanks

Constant

Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] install RubyCocoa working with /opt/local/bin/ruby ???

[Ferhat A. <fer...@ya...>]

Hi Yvon,

you can embed the ruby runtime directly if you want. Here the link

http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/EmbedRubyCocoa

Ferhat

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Hey list,

I'd like to have RubyCocoa working with /opt/local/bin/ruby.

where could i find advice on that point ?
-- 
yvon


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Re: [Rubycocoa-talk] install RubyCocoa working with /opt/local/bin/ruby ???

[Eloy D. <elo...@gm...>]

Hi Yvon,

Follow the instructions in the "sources release" paragraph:
http://rubycocoa.sourceforge.net/GettingStarted

Eloy

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> where could i find advice on that point ?
> --
> yvon
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