From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-09 12:53:19
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Hi all, Lately, I was wondering how we could attract more people to use ruby-gnome2. It does not seem to be very popular on the ruby mailing list (compared to other toolkits). pygtk is also more popular. But I think rg2 deserves more success. I have some ideas about the web site. It's not big deal and should not be too complicated to implement. I think the menu would be clearer and cleaner with only the five elements "Overview", "Download", "Documentation", "Support" and "Development". - Overview (get excited) - Download (get it) - Documentation (learn how to use it) -> Install -> Tutorials (how to get started) -> API Reference (how to get further) -> Tips -> Samples - Support (get some help) -> Mailing lists -> IRC - Developers (join us!) -> Bugs -> CVS -> Developers -> Web editors -> Misc Everything is almost there, we only have to change the site template. The only point the site currently really lacks is a good project overview, something that will appeal new users. I think this overview should be directly on the front page. The current description is only "Ruby-GNOME2 is a set of Ruby language bindings for the GNOME 2.0 development environment. This is the next generation of Ruby-GNOME." That does not tell me exactly what I can do with it and why I'll love using it! Here are some ideas: - Ruby-gnome2 is a convenient wrapper to the GTK+ library and the GNOME 2.0 development environment for Ruby. - Ruby is a dynamic agile scripting language. It is fully object-oriented, portable, multi-threaded, and has a very clear syntax. It is particularly well suited for graphical application development. - GTK+ is a GUI toolkit for developing graphical applications that run on POSIX systems such as Linux, Windows and MacOS X. It provides a comprehensive set of widgets. - Combined to the GNOME 2.0 development environment, you can write full featured GNOME applications. - Ruby and Ruby-gnome2 handle for your the dirty work (memory management, type casting etc) so you can focus on the core of your application and develop better code faster. - Ruby-gnome2 has a very clear API and benefits from the best possibilities that Ruby proposes. You'll love using it! - You can use Glade, a user interface builder, to create your application's interface visually. - To sum up, with Ruby and Ruby-gnome2, you'll enjoy developing cross-platform graphical applications efficiently! - Ruby-gnome2 screenshots (link, some widgets) - Ruby-gnome2 in action (link to a video demonstration like the one Masao created a few weeks ago) - Real life projects that use Ruby-gnome2 (link to a page which lists concrete real projects) - Download and Install (link) - Getting started - Getting further Also, I think the recent pages should not be in the menu. A separate page (with a link to it from the bottom of each page) would be enough . What do you think? Hope that you'll like it :) Mathieu PS: Happy.new(year) |
From: Johan P. <tok...@gm...> - 2006-01-09 13:18:11
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On 1/9/06, Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > Hi all, > [...] > What do you think? Hope that you'll like it :) > > Mathieu > > PS: Happy.new(year) I agree fully. Whetting the apetite of developers is quite important, after all. :-) -- Johan "Toki" Perssson -- handgranat.se |
From: Joao P. <joa...@gm...> - 2006-01-09 13:37:47
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Hi all, On 1/9/06, Johan Persson <tok...@gm...> wrote: > > On 1/9/06, Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > [...] > > What do you think? Hope that you'll like it :) > > > > Mathieu > > > > PS: Happy.new(year) > > I agree fully. Whetting the apetite of developers is quite important, > after all. :-) > Even though it might be a good idea, the web-site is a means for Masao to document Ruby-GNOME2, so I think we shouldn't put any more burden on a project that is of very high quality thanks to the great efforts of Masao. The Hiki-Wiki is really great in helping to document a project and the whol= e project enjoys a very good web-site because of it. So, I think a parallel effort to create more web-sites and documentations o= n Ruby-GNOME2 is a good idea, but the main web-site should work as a technica= l resource and maybe stay as Masao prefers. So, in the end, I think trying to "hide away" the technical parts of the web-site is not worth it. Cheers, Joao |
From: Vincent I. <vin...@gm...> - 2006-01-09 13:51:29
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Hi, > So, I think a parallel effort to create more web-sites and documentations= on > Ruby-GNOME2 is a good idea, but the main web-site should work as a techni= cal > resource and maybe stay as Masao prefers. You could create a new web site for people to "Enter in the world of Ruby-GNOME2". I do not think Masao would have any problem with that ;-). The "official" ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp would stay more or less like it is and the new one could link to it. I think the most important is that your idea does not take some of Masao's precious time. He already has so much to do ;-). For that, having a separate web site may be what's best... Cheers, Vincent |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-09 14:11:47
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Hi, > I think the most important is that your idea does not take some of > Masao's precious time. He already has so much to do ;-). For that, > having a separate web site may be what's best... > I know that Masao has done so much for the project and I really respect his work. But I'm only submitting a new structure for the menu and a more detailed project overview for the front-page. As I said previously, it's not big deal, the web site is already very complete. Mathieu |
From: Johan P. <tok...@gm...> - 2006-01-09 14:10:11
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On 1/9/06, Joao Pedrosa <joa...@gm...> wrote: > Even though it might be a good idea, the web-site is a means for Masao to > document Ruby-GNOME2, so I think we shouldn't put any more burden on a > project that is of very high quality thanks to the great efforts of Masao= . > The Hiki-Wiki is really great in helping to document a project and the wh= ole > project enjoys a very good web-site because of it. > > So, I think a parallel effort to create more web-sites and documentations= on > Ruby-GNOME2 is a good idea, but the main web-site should work as a techni= cal > resource and maybe stay as Masao prefers. > > So, in the end, I think trying to "hide away" the technical parts of the > web-site is not worth it. > > Cheers, > Joao The technical stuff should remain, but I belive it would be a good idea to provide information for getting people interested in the project and/or using Ruby-GNOME2. I don't think having a separate site for this would be such a good idea... :/ It would be cool to have a section (or indeed a separate site) dedicated for publishing stuff written in Ruby-GNOME2... I think I'll look into it :) -- Johan "Toki" Perssson -- handgranat.se |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-09 14:21:58
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> The technical stuff should remain, but I belive it would be a good > idea to provide information for getting people interested in the > project and/or using Ruby-GNOME2. I don't think having a separate site > for this would be such a good idea... :/ > I agree and I don't see the problem. Why should we use another website? The information should not be scattered. If you don't like the new menu structure I proposed, it's OK. I think the front-page would need a more detail project overview though.That's the most important of the two ideas I think. > It would be cool to have a section (or indeed a separate site) > dedicated for publishing stuff written in Ruby-GNOME2... I think I'll > look into it :) I agree too. If someone has to decide between two solutions (say for ex pygtk and ruby-gnome2), seeing real projects that use them is very important to make a decision I think. Mathieu |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-01-10 16:33:09
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Hi Mathieu, Your idea seems good. Fortunately, Hiki is very flexible Wiki engine. You can edit even Sidemenu by yourself. What do you think to realize your idea on a "test" hiki site? Now, I prepared "test" hiki site below: http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi #the data is copied from "en" site. You can edit the site freely. After you edit the site with your idea, we can discuss again, then I'll copy the data to "en" site. To edit the sidemenu. Go the URL below: http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi?c=edit;p=SideMenu Anyway, I don't have the enough time to work for Ruby-GNOME2 now. I appreciate all kind of your helps. P.S. Now some libararies don't have the API references. Even Ruby/GTK, it's not complete yet. Are there any people who help us? On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:52:57 +0100 Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > Hi all, > > Lately, I was wondering how we could attract more people to use > ruby-gnome2. It does not seem to be very popular on the ruby mailing > list (compared to other toolkits). pygtk is also more popular. But I > think rg2 deserves more success. I have some ideas about the web site. > It's not big deal and should not be too complicated to implement. > > I think the menu would be clearer and cleaner with only the five > elements "Overview", "Download", "Documentation", "Support" and > "Development". > > - Overview (get excited) > > - Download (get it) > > - Documentation (learn how to use it) > -> Install > -> Tutorials (how to get started) > -> API Reference (how to get further) > -> Tips > -> Samples > > - Support (get some help) > -> Mailing lists > -> IRC > > - Developers (join us!) > -> Bugs > -> CVS > -> Developers > -> Web editors > -> Misc > > Everything is almost there, we only have to change the site template. > The only point the site currently really lacks is a good project > overview, something that will appeal new users. I think this overview > should be directly on the front page. The current description is only > "Ruby-GNOME2 is a set of Ruby language bindings for the GNOME 2.0 > development environment. This is the next generation of Ruby-GNOME." > That does not tell me exactly what I can do with it and why I'll love > using it! Here are some ideas: > > - Ruby-gnome2 is a convenient wrapper to the GTK+ library and the GNOME > 2.0 development environment for Ruby. > - Ruby is a dynamic agile scripting language. It is fully > object-oriented, portable, multi-threaded, and has a very clear syntax. > It is particularly well suited for graphical application development. > - GTK+ is a GUI toolkit for developing graphical applications that run > on POSIX systems such as Linux, Windows and MacOS X. It provides a > comprehensive set of widgets. > - Combined to the GNOME 2.0 development environment, you can write full > featured GNOME applications. > - Ruby and Ruby-gnome2 handle for your the dirty work (memory > management, type casting etc) so you can focus on the core of your > application and develop better code faster. > - Ruby-gnome2 has a very clear API and benefits from the best > possibilities that Ruby proposes. You'll love using it! > - You can use Glade, a user interface builder, to create your > application's interface visually. > - To sum up, with Ruby and Ruby-gnome2, you'll enjoy developing > cross-platform graphical applications efficiently! > > - Ruby-gnome2 screenshots (link, some widgets) > - Ruby-gnome2 in action (link to a video demonstration like the one > Masao created a few weeks ago) > - Real life projects that use Ruby-gnome2 (link to a page which lists > concrete real projects) > > - Download and Install (link) > - Getting started > - Getting further > > Also, I think the recent pages should not be in the menu. A separate > page (with a link to it from the bottom of each page) would be enough . > > What do you think? Hope that you'll like it :) > > Mathieu > > PS: Happy.new(year) > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > _______________________________________________ > ruby-gnome2-devel-en mailing list > rub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ruby-gnome2-devel-en > -- -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-13 17:35:16
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Hi, Masao Mutoh writes: > Now, I prepared "test" hiki site below: > http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi I modified that test site. I focused on creating a clean menu and a clean front page (with a better description). Of course, nothing was lost and all the content created in the past is still there! Mathieu PS: Masao, if you decide to merge the content, please take care because pages were modified on the real website meanwhile. |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-01-14 04:29:27
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Hi Mathieu, On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:19:08 +0100 Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > Hi, > > Masao Mutoh writes: > > > Now, I prepared "test" hiki site below: > > http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi > > I modified that test site. I focused on creating a clean menu and a clean > front page (with a better description). Of course, nothing was lost and all > the content created in the past is still there! Good job! I like it. Here is my first comments below. 1. Ruby-GNOME2 is "Ruby-GNOME2", not "Ruby-gnome2" ;). 2. I don't prefer "Projects using Ruby-gnome2". Usually this kind of page have many problems. * How select the application ? * Who update the informations ? * Who find new applications ? It may be better to link the RAA and Gnomefiles with "gtk", "gnome", "ruby" keywords. 3. In "What's Ruby-GNOME2", you describe about Ruby and GTK+, but you don't touch each of the other libraries. I think it's better to mention them. 4. How I go to "samples" page ? 5. How I go to "rbbr" page ? 6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla. 7. (This is original page issue, though), "Developers" means "the person who develop Ruby-GNOME2 itself". But I feel "Developers" means "the person who write his application using Ruby-GNOME2 libraries". Is there another good word in English? And your "Developers" page includes the kind of both information. #but it doesn't include tutorials/api reference. I think it's better to separate them. * Users - the user of application which depends on Ruby-GNOME2. * Developer - application developer who use Ruby-GNOME2 libraries. * Developer(?) - Ruby-GNOME2 developer. 8. "Copyright/License information" in "Developers" is the license information of the Project website. So I prefer to show it to bottom of the top page. 9. "Status", "History", "Links", "Icons", "About Hiki/RD+", "googleplot" should be in other page, I don't know good idea to put them, though. 10. "Authors" should be in the toppage. I hope to appreciate the Authors everytime. 11. I couldn't find your name to Authors. add your name by yourself! ;). P.S. I hope to know the opinion of others. Any ideas/comments ? -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-14 10:09:19
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> 1. Ruby-GNOME2 is "Ruby-GNOME2", not "Ruby-gnome2" ;). ok > 2. I don't prefer "Projects using Ruby-gnome2". > Usually this kind of page have many problems. > * How select the application ? > * Who update the informations ? > * Who find new applications ? > It may be better to link the RAA and Gnomefiles > with "gtk", "gnome", "ruby" keywords. I understand that problem but I think a page directly on the wiki would be clearer for the visitor. Besides, I think it is a page very important page to convince someone to use RG2. > 3. In "What's Ruby-GNOME2", you describe about Ruby and GTK+, > but you don't touch each of the other libraries. > I think it's better to mention them. You mean what the ruby-gtk and ruby-gnome2-all packages contain? > 4. How I go to "samples" page ? > 5. How I go to "rbbr" page ? The two are in the documentation, in the "get further" section. > 6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla. It was meant to show "Ruby-GNOME2 in action" so I linked to your RubyZilla demo (ie something which "shows"). > 7. (This is original page issue, though), "Developers" means > "the person who develop Ruby-GNOME2 itself". > But I feel "Developers" means "the person who write his application > using Ruby-GNOME2 libraries". Is there another good word in English? > And your "Developers" page includes the kind of both information. > #but it doesn't include tutorials/api reference. > I think it's better to separate them. > * Users - the user of application which depends on Ruby-GNOME2. > * Developer - application developer who use Ruby-GNOME2 libraries. > * Developer(?) - Ruby-GNOME2 developer. I understand this problem but "Developer" is commonly used on libraries web sites as "people who develop the library". It's a kind of convention. > 8. "Copyright/License information" in "Developers" is the > license information of the Project website. So I prefer to show it > to bottom of the top page. I agree > 9. "Status", "History", "Links", "Icons", "About Hiki/RD+", "googleplot" > should be in other page, I don't know good idea to put them, though. Those informations are not "essential", especially googleplot. At least, we should not put them on the front page. > 10. "Authors" should be in the toppage. > I hope to appreciate the Authors everytime. ok > 11. I couldn't find your name to Authors. add your name by yourself! ;). I'll add it later on the real site > P.S. > I hope to know the opinion of others. Any ideas/comments ? I think it would be a good idea if we (not only me) continued to edit that test site until we find a solution everyone is happy with. Mathieu |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-01-15 02:05:33
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Hi, On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:53:11 +0100 Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > > 2. I don't prefer "Projects using Ruby-gnome2". > > Usually this kind of page have many problems. > > * How select the application ? > > * Who update the informations ? > > * Who find new applications ? > > It may be better to link the RAA and Gnomefiles > > with "gtk", "gnome", "ruby" keywords. > > I understand that problem but I think a page directly on the wiki would be > clearer for the visitor. Besides, I think it is a page very important page > to convince someone to use RG2. It's not answer/solution against my question, is it? The most important thing for me is how to keep to maintain them. Marketing issue is less important than it. I can't keep to select/update/find them by myself. You need to suggest the idea what satisfy me. It's easy to create it once, but it's difficult to keep them for a long time. > > 3. In "What's Ruby-GNOME2", you describe about Ruby and GTK+, > > but you don't touch each of the other libraries. > > I think it's better to mention them. > > You mean what the ruby-gtk and ruby-gnome2-all packages contain? Yes. For example, I couldn't find the site supports Ruby/Libart easily. # I need to go API reference or Status page what we provide. > > 4. How I go to "samples" page ? > > 5. How I go to "rbbr" page ? > > The two are in the documentation, in the "get further" section. I see. I think it's better all of the link of the sidemenu (Documentation, Support, Developers) should be in FrontPage with explanations. > > 6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla. > > It was meant to show "Ruby-GNOME2 in action" so I linked to your RubyZilla > demo (ie something which "shows"). I don't like to force everyone to watch 10 min movie. I prefer to introduce samples first. > > 7. (This is original page issue, though), "Developers" means > > "the person who develop Ruby-GNOME2 itself". > > But I feel "Developers" means "the person who write his application > > using Ruby-GNOME2 libraries". Is there another good word in English? > > And your "Developers" page includes the kind of both information. > > #but it doesn't include tutorials/api reference. > > I think it's better to separate them. > > * Users - the user of application which depends on Ruby-GNOME2. > > * Developer - application developer who use Ruby-GNOME2 libraries. > > * Developer(?) - Ruby-GNOME2 developer. > > I understand this problem but "Developer" is commonly used on libraries web > sites as "people who develop the library". It's a kind of convention. Then how can I say the person who use Ruby-GNOME2 libraries? Anyway, if your "Developer" means right, the Developer page still has some issues: e.g. Bug tracker, Mailing lists, Status, History, Links are not for only developers. > > 9. "Status", "History", "Links", "Icons", "About Hiki/RD+", "googleplot" > > should be in other page, I don't know good idea to put them, though. > > Those informations are not "essential", especially googleplot. At least, we > should not put them on the front page. I agreed it's not essential, but not for only Developers. So what I meant is it's not good to put them in Developers page. > > P.S. > > I hope to know the opinion of others. Any ideas/comments ? > > I think it would be a good idea if we (not only me) continued to edit that > test site until we find a solution everyone is happy with. Sure. Please keep to update them following our discussion. Thanks, Masao -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Joe V. D. <joe...@gm...> - 2006-01-15 02:24:56
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On 1/14/06, Masao Mutoh <mu...@hi...> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:53:11 +0100 > Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: <snip> > > > 6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla. > > > > > It was meant to show "Ruby-GNOME2 in action" so I linked to your RubyZi= lla > > demo (ie something which "shows"). > > > I don't like to force everyone to watch 10 min movie. > I prefer to introduce samples first. Just a note, one of the major reasons while Rails got so popular was that people watched the movie of David quickly creating a blog (or some other small webapp). A movie can say a thousand words. One of these days, I'd like to quickly create a semi-complex GUI using ruby-gnome2 as a way to promote using the language and toolkit at my workplace. I think that's one of the best ways to promote something -- to see it in action without having the user have to download code samples and install ruby, the gtk dev libraries, and ruby-gnome2 before they can see it in action. Joe |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-01-15 07:04:30
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Hi, On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:24:51 -0800 Joe Van Dyk <joe...@gm...> wrote: > On 1/14/06, Masao Mutoh <mu...@hi...> wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:53:11 +0100 > > Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > <snip> > > > > 6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla. > > > > > > > It was meant to show "Ruby-GNOME2 in action" so I linked to your RubyZilla > > > demo (ie something which "shows"). > > > > > I don't like to force everyone to watch 10 min movie. > > I prefer to introduce samples first. > > Just a note, one of the major reasons while Rails got so popular was > that people watched the movie of David quickly creating a blog (or > some other small webapp). A movie can say a thousand words. Of course, I know. It's a reason I created RubyZila movie. But it doesn't become a reason of "force everyone to watch 10 min movie". -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-01-15 09:49:11
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> > Of course, I know. It's a reason I created RubyZila movie. > But it doesn't become a reason of "force everyone to watch 10 min movie". > > ?!? Nobody is forced to click on that link! Currently, the RubyZilla page is quite worthless where it is. Ruby on Rails was not particularly revolutionary. Rails guys have only been really good at marketing. It may be shocking for hardcore free software developers ;-) As for the page for programs using RG2, what do you think, others? Maybe it would be too difficult because we should have some kind of policy to know which sites we add or not, but I keep thinking this page is worth maintaining it (I accept to be the maintainer of this page). As for the "developer" term problem and some links which are at the wrong place, I suggest we merge "Support" and "Developers" into a new section "Community". Community has three meanings: - the community who develops RG2 - the community who edit the site - the community that will help you In the three cases, you can join the community. Mathieu |
From: Kontra G. <kge...@mc...> - 2006-01-17 14:16:32
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Masao Mutoh =EDrta: >>> I don't like to force everyone to watch 10 min movie. >>> I prefer to introduce samples first. >> Just a note, one of the major reasons while Rails got so popular was >> that people watched the movie of David quickly creating a blog (or >> some other small webapp). A movie can say a thousand words. >=20 > Of course, I know. It's a reason I created RubyZila movie. > But it doesn't become a reason of "force everyone to watch 10 min movie= ". But we can drop a screenshot to the main page with a link to the movie... Opinions? Gergo --=20 +-[ Gergely Kontra <kge...@mc...> http://www.mcl.hu/~kgergely ]------+ | PhD Student (Room:IB113) PGP ID: 0x66875624 Mobile:(+36 20)356 9656 | | Budapest University of Technology and Economics ICQ# 175564914 | +------------- "Olyan langesz vagyok, hogy poroltoval kellene jarnom!" -+ |
From: Kontra G. <kge...@mc...> - 2006-01-17 14:24:16
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Masao Mutoh =EDrta: >> I understand that problem but I think a page directly on the wiki woul= d be=20 >> clearer for the visitor. Besides, I think it is a page very important = page=20 >> to convince someone to use RG2.=20 >=20 > It's not answer/solution against my question, is it? Put a link to RubyGarden, it is editable by everybody! http://rubygarden.org/ruby?ProjectsUsingRubyGnome I haven't uploaded any projects, but the possibility is there :) Gergo --=20 +-[ Gergely Kontra <kge...@mc...> http://www.mcl.hu/~kgergely ]------+ | PhD Student (Room:IB113) PGP ID: 0x66875624 Mobile:(+36 20)356 9656 | | Budapest University of Technology and Economics ICQ# 175564914 | +------------- "Olyan langesz vagyok, hogy poroltoval kellene jarnom!" -+ |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-03-09 20:50:28
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Hi all, Some time ago, I had submitted a new organization and front page for the RG2 website. I have to agree that this new organization/menu had pros and cons so maybe it's better not to change it. But what about the "What's Ruby GNOME2 ?" portion of the front page ? The one I submitted is still available there : http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi With your permission Masao, I would like to replace the ""What's Ruby GNOME2's ?" portion from the site's front page with the one from the link above (I won't change the current menu or site's organization). -- Mathieu Blondel http://www.mblondel.org |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-03-10 19:08:53
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Hi Mathieu, OK, Could you update test site first? Almost the test site "What's Ruby-GNOME2's" section seems nice. But it hasn't been fixed some issues what I asked for. And I don't have the time to work them by myself now. On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:50:07 +0100 Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > Hi all, > > Some time ago, I had submitted a new organization and front page for the > RG2 website. > > I have to agree that this new organization/menu had pros and cons so > maybe it's better not to change it. But what about the "What's Ruby > GNOME2 ?" portion of the front page ? > > The one I submitted is still available there : > http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/test/hiki.cgi > > With your permission Masao, I would like to replace the ""What's Ruby > GNOME2's ?" portion from the site's front page with the one from the > link above (I won't change the current menu or site's organization). > > -- > Mathieu Blondel > http://www.mblondel.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > ruby-gnome2-devel-en mailing list > rub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ruby-gnome2-devel-en > -- -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Kontra G. <kge...@mc...> - 2006-01-14 21:48:27
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Masao Mutoh =EDrta: > I hope to know the opinion of others. Any ideas/comments ? Hi! I also would like to see the Recent Changes in another place, maybe on th= e right side. I remember that menu confused me too. On the left, I expect the expanded multi-level menu of the web site. Minor issues, that the site has no graphics (screenshots, a small graphix= at the top of each page....) And, I think the CSS of the left menu should be changed also... Other comments? Gergo --=20 +-[ Gergely Kontra <kge...@mc...> http://www.mcl.hu/~kgergely ]------+ | PhD Student (Room:IB113) PGP ID: 0x66875624 Mobile:(+36 20)356 9656 | | Budapest University of Technology and Economics ICQ# 175564914 | +------------- "Olyan langesz vagyok, hogy poroltoval kellene jarnom!" -+ |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-01-15 02:11:48
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Hi, On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:48:19 +0100 Kontra Gergely <kge...@mc...> wrote: > Masao Mutoh $(D+?(Brta: > > I hope to know the opinion of others. Any ideas/comments ? > > Hi! > > I also would like to see the Recent Changes in another place, maybe on the > right side. I remember that menu confused me too. Using both of left/right side as menu, the contents space becomes smaller. I think it's better to use one sidemenu. And I don't know why the leftside confuse you. I think it's very simple ... even now. > On the left, I expect the expanded multi-level menu of the web site. Could you give us your concrete idea? > Minor issues, that the site has no graphics (screenshots, a small graphix at > the top of each page....) I couldn't understand this. Could you tell us details? > And, I think the CSS of the left menu should be changed also... Ditto. How wrong is it and how change is it? -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |
From: Gergely K. <kge...@mc...> - 2006-01-16 18:06:03
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Masao Mutoh azt =EDrta, hogy:=20 > > I also would like to see the Recent Changes in another place, maybe on = the > > right side. I remember that menu confused me too. >=20 > Using both of left/right side as menu, the contents space becomes smaller. > I think it's better to use one sidemenu. Shorter lines are easier to read IMHO. > And I don't know why the leftside confuse you. > I think it's very simple ... even now. > =20 > > On the left, I expect the expanded multi-level menu of the web site. >=20 > Could you give us your concrete idea? Yes. Open the test main page. All the relevant stuff is in the main area, but you must scroll to see=20 it!!! So, if you put all this structured info to the left menu, than all=20 useful information will be available all the time. - Whetting your apetite - Widget tour - Ruby-gnome2 in action - Project using Ruby-gnome2 - Downloading - Documentation - Install guide - Tutorials - API Reference - Ruby browser - Tips - Samples - Support - Mailing list - IRC - For developer So it is clear, that it has a lot of documentation, and there is an=20 active community on a mailing list and on IRC. > > Minor issues, that the site has no graphics (screenshots, a small graph= ix at > > the top of each page....) >=20 > I couldn't understand this. > Could you tell us details? This is non-technical, just to spice up the look'n'feel of the page. Any graphix experts here? >=20 > > And, I think the CSS of the left menu should be changed also... > Ditto. How wrong is it and how change is it? Too much space between a menu and corresponding submenu. Not clear separation between the Recent changes and the "real" menu. Look for eg. www.inkscape.org That is eye-catchy, no heavy graphics, but=20 cool. Gergo --=20 +-[ Gergely Kontra <kge...@mc...> http://www.mcl.hu/~kgergely ]------+ | PhD Student (Room:IB113) PGP ID: 0x66875624 Mobile:(+36 20)356 9656 | | Budapest University of Technology and Economics ICQ# 175564914 | +------------- "Olyan langesz vagyok, hogy poroltoval kellene jarnom!" -+ |
From: Mathieu B. <mbl...@ru...> - 2006-03-10 20:11:30
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Masao Mutoh a =E9crit : >Hi Mathieu, > >OK, Could you update test site first? > >Almost the test site "What's Ruby-GNOME2's" section seems nice. >But it hasn't been fixed some issues what I asked for. >And I don't have the time to work them by myself now. > "2. I don't prefer "Projects using Ruby-gnome2". Usually this kind of page have many problems. * How select the application ? * Who update the informations ? * Who find new applications ? It may be better to link the RAA and Gnomefiles with "gtk", "gnome", "ruby" keywords." Either I remove the link or we use this link=20 http://rubygarden.org/ruby?ProjectsUsingRubyGnome=20 What do you prefer ? "3. In "What's Ruby-GNOME2", you describe about Ruby and GTK+, but you don't touch each of the other libraries. I think it's better to mention them." Which libraries in particular ?=20 I think GTK+ is generally seen as the set of bindings behind GTK strictly= speaking. "6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla." Because it is a screencast demo like those we can find on the ruby on rai= ls' site --=20 Mathieu Blondel http://www.mblondel.org |
From: Masao M. <mu...@hi...> - 2006-03-11 02:48:03
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Hi, At first, I have to say, "Ruby-GNOME2" is "Ruby-GNOME2", not "Ruby-gnome2". It's very important! On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:11:16 +0100 Mathieu Blondel <mbl...@ru...> wrote: > Masao Mutoh a $(D+1(Bcrit : > "2. I don't prefer "Projects using Ruby-gnome2". > Usually this kind of page have many problems. > * How select the application ? > * Who update the informations ? > * Who find new applications ? > It may be better to link the RAA and Gnomefiles > with "gtk", "gnome", "ruby" keywords." > > Either I remove the link or we use this link > http://rubygarden.org/ruby?ProjectsUsingRubyGnome > > What do you prefer ? I agree. But I hope you keep to update it maintain the page. If you can't, I think we shouldn't have the page now. Because it makes worse impression to the visitors if the page have few applications. > "3. In "What's Ruby-GNOME2", you describe about Ruby and GTK+, > but you don't touch each of the other libraries. > I think it's better to mention them." > > Which libraries in particular ? All of our libraries. Now, on the test site, I couldn't find what libraries we supported until click "Ruby-GNOME2 API Reference". But I think it's better to have other name/explanation with the link. > I think GTK+ is generally seen as the set of bindings behind GTK strictly speaking. I hope I appreciate the authors of libararies of Ruby-GNOME2. For this purpose, I want to keep to remain the library names to top of the page, or keep it to find them easily. I mean, Ruby/GTK+ is not a special libarary for me (yes, it may not be good for marketing, though). > "6. I don't know why "Ruby-gnome2 in action" go RubyZilla." > Because it is a screencast demo like those we can find on the ruby on rails' site OK, but where is the sample page? I think it's also important. Anyway, I don't like "What does a Ruby-gnome2 application look like?" and its below. You said : > With your permission Masao, I would like to replace the ""What's Ruby > GNOME2's ?" portion from the site's front page with the one from the > link above (I won't change the current menu or site's organization). I believe "the one from link above" means "Ruby-gnome2 application look like?" above. But I don't have a conviction. Thus, I can't image the latest site. But I want to check it before updating the main site. -- .:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...> |