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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-19 09:35:29
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Hi, Martin wrote: >> What's "default folder"? >=20 > I mean, we could specify a folder-path for our tree > structure. Where the feed will be created. >=20 > Or is it better to create it in the root of the tree > and let the user decide where to put it? > I'd leave that decicion up to the user. Even unexperienced users know = how to deal with a tree structure (explorer).=20 Cheers Christoph |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-19 06:13:53
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Am Di, den 19.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 3:02: One question left: > What's "default folder"? I mean, we could specify a folder-path for our tree structure. Where the feed will be created. Or is it better to create it in the root of the tree and let the user decide where to put it? Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-19 01:03:48
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Hi, Martin wrote: > Am Di, den 19.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 0:06: > >> I did some experiments how a xml file storing a couple of predefined >> Feeds should look like. Here's my proposal: > >> <!DOCTYPE dictionary> > > Other name please. Something which would not collide with other > applications: > - feed-list > - rssview-feeds > > or similar. Dictionary is perhaps not the right name <directory> would fit better. For name uniqueness we will use namespaces and no prefixes! >> <dictionary> >> <category name="news"> >> <feed >> title="orf.online" >> lang="de" >> url="rss.orf.at"> >> <description><![CDATA[News auf ORF.at]]></description> > > I'm missing my icon here and the specification FROM WHERE > it is going to be downloaded. Work for a minute :) As I said proposal/experiment. > Also missing "default folder". What's "default folder"? >> We'll need some kind of language key for useful dictionaries (example >> above). I created some Code to read this information. How should we >> present it? JTable, JTextPane, JScrollPane with panels? I think a >> flat hierarchy should work because a user will not want to import our >> categorizations (tree)? Or would he? > > Flat representation as a JList in a JScrollPane. Is not useful for displaying long text (e.g. description) - perhaps some detail field with an icon, description would be nice. ASCII Art example: Channel List Detail -------------------- --------------- |channel1 | | name | |channel2 | | description | |channel3 | | icon | |.... | | | | | | addButton | | | --------------- | | -------------------- Hope that outlook does not clutter my artwork :) Double-click could add of course. We would not need to load all(or a lot of them) icons but one! Then common feed icon sizes would be no problem (see icon scaling in our Folder tree). > Single item (JLabel with Icon): > -------------------------------------------- >> icon | channel name | > -------------------------------------------- > > Double-clicking it should suffice to add it > in the default folder. > > Icon size about 32x32 or 48x48. > Well, well! Cheers Christoph |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-18 23:12:08
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Am Di, den 19.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 0:06: > I did some experiments how a xml file storing a couple of predefined Feeds > should look like. Here's my proposal: > <!DOCTYPE dictionary> Other name please. Something which would not collide with other applications: - feed-list - rssview-feeds or similar. > <dictionary> > <category name="news"> > <feed > title="orf.online" > lang="de" > url="rss.orf.at"> > <description><![CDATA[News auf ORF.at]]></description> I'm missing my icon here and the specification FROM WHERE it is going to be downloaded. Also missing "default folder". > We'll need some kind of language key for useful dictionaries (example > above). I created some Code to read this information. How should we present > it? JTable, JTextPane, JScrollPane with panels? I think a flat hierarchy > should work because a user will not want to import our categorizations > (tree)? Or would he? Flat representation as a JList in a JScrollPane. Single item (JLabel with Icon): -------------------------------------------- | icon | channel name | -------------------------------------------- Double-clicking it should suffice to add it in the default folder. Icon size about 32x32 or 48x48. Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-18 22:07:59
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Hi,
I did some experiments how a xml file storing a couple of predefined Feeds
should look like. Here's my proposal:
<!DOCTYPE dictionary>
<dictionary>
<category name="news">
<feed
title="orf.online"
lang="de"
url="rss.orf.at">
<description><![CDATA[News auf ORF.at]]></description>
</feed>
<feed
title="sport.orf.online"
lang="de"
url="rss.orf.at">
<description><![CDATA[Sport Nachrichten auf ORF.at]]></description>
</feed>
<feed
title="SourceForge.net: SF.net Project News: RSS Viewer"
lang="en"
url="http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_projnews.php?group_id=49388">
<description><![CDATA[SF.net Project News: RSS Viewer (rssview project)
- RSS Viewer is a Java-based ticker application. It uses JAXP to parse
RSS-sites (RDF site summary). It is easy to use and easy to configure. It
has 2 different views: a browser-like view and a simple
ticker-view]]></description>
</feed>
</category>
</dictionary>
We'll need some kind of language key for useful dictionaries (example
above). I created some Code to read this information. How should we present
it? JTable, JTextPane, JScrollPane with panels? I think a flat hierarchy
should work because a user will not want to import our categorizations
(tree)? Or would he?
Cheers
Christoph
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From: Christoph W. <chr...@we...> - 2004-10-18 22:07:14
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Hi,
I did some experiments how a xml file storing a couple of predefined Feeds
should look like. Here's my proposal:
<!DOCTYPE dictionary>
<dictionary>
<category name="news">
<feed
title="orf.online"
lang="de"
url="rss.orf.at">
<description><![CDATA[News auf ORF.at]]></description>
</feed>
<feed
title="sport.orf.online"
lang="de"
url="rss.orf.at">
<description><![CDATA[Sport Nachrichten auf ORF.at]]></description>
</feed>
<feed
title="SourceForge.net: SF.net Project News: RSS Viewer"
lang="en"
url="http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_projnews.php?group_id=49388">
<description><![CDATA[SF.net Project News: RSS Viewer (rssview project)
- RSS Viewer is a Java-based ticker application. It uses JAXP to parse
RSS-sites (RDF site summary). It is easy to use and easy to configure. It
has 2 different views: a browser-like view and a simple
ticker-view]]></description>
</feed>
</category>
</dictionary>
We'll need some kind of language key for useful dictionaries (example
above). I created some Code to read this information. How should we present
it? JTable, JTextPane, JScrollPane with panels? I think a flat hierarchy
should work because a user will not want to import our categorizations
(tree)? Or would he?
Cheers
Christoph
--
Christoph Walcher
Albrechtskreithgasse 4-6/1/11
A-1160 Wien
email: chr...@we...
mobile: +43 (650) 8320065
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-18 14:56:53
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Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 13:53: > I'm a little bit confused. Does that mean that we keep a List of Feeds on > our homepage (as XML file) and have some mechanism like - "subscribe > predefined feed" in RssView? Yes. The idea is to have an assistant-like feature for people who don't know anything about feeds. But we should also leave this download-URL configurable. Admins in companies might want to distribute their own internal feeds this way. > I like the idea. Makes it easier for new users to start with RssView. Exactly. Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-18 11:55:27
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Hi, Martin wrote: > I have personally still one RFE, which I would like to discuss. I > would like to have a dialog, where one can add a feed by clicking on > it. > > This would require to create a small DTD for configuration > of the list which will be displayed. This list can be maintained by > us. (Maybe this way it'd be possible to get sponsorship and give > something back. We can discuss the options and wheather we really > need sponsorship.) I'm a little bit confused. Does that mean that we keep a List of Feeds on our homepage (as XML file) and have some mechanism like - "subscribe predefined feed" in RssView? > Secondly, we need to display this list appropriately. I can can > imagine a dialog that displays an icon of the feed and its name. We > can decide where we get the icon from: > a) an URL in the feed > b) a fixed URL in our config > c) a default icon > > The dialog itself should download the feed icons only > if they need to be displayed. It does not make sense > to download 1000 icons at once, if we have 1000 feeds > in our configuration. > > We should also associate folders for the feeds in the configuration. Ok, predefined Feeds with a folder structure. > What do you think about it? I like the idea. Makes it easier for new users to start with RssView. I'll investigate some possibilities to integrate these changes. Ciao Christoph PS: Sorry Martin you receive this email twice |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-18 11:54:08
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Hi, Martin wrote: > I have personally still one RFE, which I would like to discuss. I > would like to have a dialog, where one can add a feed by clicking on > it. > > This would require to create a small DTD for configuration > of the list which will be displayed. This list can be maintained by > us. (Maybe this way it'd be possible to get sponsorship and give > something back. We can discuss the options and wheather we really > need sponsorship.) I'm a little bit confused. Does that mean that we keep a List of Feeds on our homepage (as XML file) and have some mechanism like - "subscribe predefined feed" in RssView? > Secondly, we need to display this list appropriately. I can > can imagine a dialog that displays an icon of the feed and > its name. We can decide where we get the icon from: > a) an URL in the feed > b) a fixed URL in our config > c) a default icon > > The dialog itself should download the feed icons only > if they need to be displayed. It does not make sense > to download 1000 icons at once, if we have 1000 feeds > in our configuration. > > We should also associate folders for the feeds in the configuration. Ok, predefined Feeds with a folder structure. > What do you think about it? I like the idea. Makes it easier for new users to start with RssView. I'll investigate some possibilities to integrate these changes. Ciao Christoph |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-18 08:07:19
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Am Mo, den 18.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 1:14: =20 > I investet some time in a new look of our rssview site. You can take a > look at this visual jewel :) at > http://rssview.sourceforge.net/newsite/. If you like it I'll do a > clean (without CVS folders and all oter clutter) upload. Looks great for me. =20 > PS: Our Beta seems to be quite stable... Yes. I haven't received any complaints yet. I have personally still one RFE, which I would like to discuss. I would like to have a dialog, where one can add a feed by clicking on it. This would require to create a small DTD for configuration of the list which will be displayed. This list can be maintained by us. (Maybe this way it'd be possible to get sponsorship and give something back. We can discuss the options and wheather we really need sponsorship.) Secondly, we need to display this list appropriately. I can can imagine a dialog that displays an icon of the feed and its name. We can decide where we get the icon from: a) an URL in the feed b) a fixed URL in our config c) a default icon The dialog itself should download the feed icons only if they need to be displayed. It does not make sense to download 1000 icons at once, if we have 1000 feeds in our configuration. We should also associate folders for the feeds in the configuration. What do you think about it? Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-17 23:15:33
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Hi, I investet some time in a new look of our rssview site. You can take a look at this visual jewel :) at http://rssview.sourceforge.net/newsite/. If you like it I'll do a clean (without CVS folders and all oter clutter) upload. Ciao Christoph PS: Our Beta seems to be quite stable... -- Christoph Walcher Albrechtskreithgasse 4-6/1/11 A-1160 Wien email: chr...@we... mobile: +43 (650) 8320065 |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-12 16:57:26
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Am Fr, den 08.10.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 0:38: > Hi, > > First congratulation to all that commited their time to rssview. Could you > upload a .zip file the tar.gz file is not that convenient for the windows > users. Done. :) Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-07 22:40:26
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Hi, First congratulation to all that commited their time to rssview. Could you upload a .zip file the tar.gz file is not that convenient for the windows users. Cheers Christoph |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-07 19:26:03
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Hi, I added a new release and sent a message to the subscribed users. Furthermore, I made an announce on freshmeat, which should appear soon. Thank you to all our team members, Martin |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-10-05 18:40:49
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Hi, I'm back from my long weekend. :) I've packed a binary version of our Beta-Release and placed it in /home/groups/r/rs/rssview/beta-test. Please verify the signature: MD5 (rssview-1.3.0-beta-bin.tar.gz) = 05d1a43c133b63e9abbb923e45d393c6 This runs cleanly, here on my system. Before releasing it to the world, I would like you to take a quick look. Does anyone think, it's reasonable to release sources separately in an archive? They are pretty large (because of the ./lib directory). How about the Java Webstart interface? Do we release a version? We need to sign the application with the same key again, which I don't have. Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <sai...@ya...> - 2004-10-01 12:24:29
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Hi, I've also nothing new to check in and I've some time to offer to assist you with the release. Christoph Matthias Schmidt wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I am pretty busy at the moment. I don't have something new to check > in, so you can do the beta-release right now. > > cheers, > > Matthias > > Am Dienstag, 28. September 2004 23:03 schrieb Martin: >> Hi, >> >> are we ready to release 1.3.0 finally? Please make >> your final commits. I want to package a beta preview soon. >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on >> ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you >> think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift >> Certificates! Click to find out more >> http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl >> _______________________________________________ >> Rssview-developers mailing list >> Rss...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rssview-developers |
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From: Matthias S. <sch...@su...> - 2004-09-30 11:50:09
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Hi Martin, I am pretty busy at the moment. I don't have something new to check in, so you can do the beta-release right now. cheers, Matthias Am Dienstag, 28. September 2004 23:03 schrieb Martin: > Hi, > > are we ready to release 1.3.0 finally? Please make > your final commits. I want to package a beta preview soon. > > Martin > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > Rssview-developers mailing list > Rss...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rssview-developers -- Matthias Schmidt Tel : (++49) 6227 356 236 Sun Microsystems GmbH Fax : (++49) 6227 356 222 Altrottstr. 31 SAP(WDF03,I4.01) : (++49) 6227 7 47505 D-69190 Walldorf Mobil : (++49) 171 5767209 |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-09-28 21:03:29
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Hi, are we ready to release 1.3.0 finally? Please make your final commits. I want to package a beta preview soon. Martin |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-06-29 18:51:59
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Hi, I realized, I cannot alter many files on our website. Please update the permissions to group-writeable, Christoph. I've placed my suggestions to directory "cinek-update". What I've changed is the JNLP-descriptor: - icon added - some important comments - longer descriptions It's not tested yet, but I hope it works when you simply copy the both files to "./demo". (Please erase "cinek-update" after copy) One further question: Who signs the JAR-file? The website should be imported soon. We need to remove unnecessary files. Martin |
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From: Matthias S. <sch...@mo...> - 2004-06-21 21:20:34
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Hi *, I vote for WebStart ;-) cheers, Matthias Am Montag, 21. Juni 2004 15:55 schrieb Martin: > Am Mon, den 21.06.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 12:04: > > Id' like to update the screenshots for our site - insert some screens (on > > Mac OS X - wonderful...) Matthias sent to me. I guess we have reached > > alpha quality - perhaps even beta! Few bugs, few strange behavior. > > Alpha is OK. For Beta my aim is to introduce the new package structure. > > > I set up Install Anywhere Now! to be able to produce Installers for > > Windows, Linux, Mac etc. in minutes. What's our strategy? WebStart, > > Installers, plain jar? I'd like to have all of that! > > We can have many ways how to install RssView. I personally like WebStart, > because it comes from Sun and I like to show people how technologies work. > > I think, the project has already many nifty examples that show people > how Java _should_ work. Why not stay on course and push the WebStart > technology? > > Btw, plain JAR is boring. Installer is fine. That's what the > Windows-community expects. > > Martin > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by The 2004 JavaOne(SM) Conference > Learn from the experts at JavaOne(SM), Sun's Worldwide Java Developer > Conference, June 28 - July 1 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, CA > REGISTER AND SAVE! http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf Priority Code NWMGYKND > _______________________________________________ > Rssview-developers mailing list > Rss...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rssview-developers -- Matthias Schmidt Viehtriftstrasse 49 67346 Speyer Tel. : 06232-4867 Fax. : 06232-640089 Mobil.: 0171-5767209 |
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-06-21 13:55:40
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Am Mon, den 21.06.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 12:04: > Id' like to update the screenshots for our site - insert some screens (on > Mac OS X - wonderful...) Matthias sent to me. I guess we have reached alpha > quality - perhaps even beta! Few bugs, few strange behavior. Alpha is OK. For Beta my aim is to introduce the new package structure. > I set up Install Anywhere Now! to be able to produce Installers for Windows, > Linux, Mac etc. in minutes. What's our strategy? WebStart, Installers, plain > jar? I'd like to have all of that! We can have many ways how to install RssView. I personally like WebStart, because it comes from Sun and I like to show people how technologies work. I think, the project has already many nifty examples that show people how Java _should_ work. Why not stay on course and push the WebStart technology? Btw, plain JAR is boring. Installer is fine. That's what the Windows-community expects. Martin |
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From: Christoph W. <chr...@we...> - 2004-06-21 10:05:42
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Martin wrote:
> Of course, there are lots other languages which make (other)
> problems. The is the GNU gettext manual which explains some pitfalls
> (also concerning the l10n). =20
>=20
> If you are translating things, expect the unexpectable. This
> is only a remark for future. Java offers a solution for this, as far
> as I remember (usage of "{1}").=20
I think this first localization effort brings our project to a broader
audience. Of course not everything is perfect but let's solve the =
problems
as they appear. Are there any open source projects you know that have
excellent localization? We could take a look what they did better...
> However, I don't suggest to alter the sources right now, because I
> want to have a clean package-structure in the later phase for our
> release. And we can add the feature directly at the right place. =20
A strange situation for software projects: Increasing Entropy ;)
> I have the impression that we are getting cleaner and cleaner with
> our sources. When do we release an alpha preview? Everything is ready
> and set? =20
Id' like to update the screenshots for our site - insert some screens =
(on
Mac OS X - wonderful...) Matthias sent to me. I guess we have reached =
alpha
quality - perhaps even beta! Few bugs, few strange behavior.
I set up Install Anywhere Now! to be able to produce Installers for =
Windows,
Linux, Mac etc. in minutes. What's our strategy? WebStart, Installers, =
plain
jar? I'd like to have all of that!
Ciao
Christoph
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-06-21 09:21:06
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Hi,
I have a suggestion concerning the i18n we are using right now.
I would like to see a class which is a wrapper for "ResourceBundle"
class. The direct usage is not flexible enough for my taste. The
reason is that the translations which we use are not respecting
many languages. Don't forget that there is a certain "order of
words/sentences" which you have to support for clean translations
and translations like "we have "+x+" files open" -> "wir haben "+
x+" Dateien offen" are certainly working for similar languages
like English and German, but not for others (e.g. Polish which
has complex declination while counting things).
Polish example (just to open your eyes):
"Mamy 1 plik otwarty.", "Mamy 2/3/4 pliki otwarte.", "Mamy 5
plikow otwartych."
(plik*=file(s), otwart*=open)
Of course, there are lots other languages which make (other)
problems. The is the GNU gettext manual which explains some
pitfalls (also concerning the l10n).
If you are translating things, expect the unexpectable. This
is only a remark for future. Java offers a solution for this,
as far as I remember (usage of "{1}").
However, I don't suggest to alter the sources right now, because
I want to have a clean package-structure in the later phase for
our release. And we can add the feature directly at the right
place.
I have the impression that we are getting cleaner and cleaner
with our sources. When do we release an alpha preview? Everything
is ready and set?
Martin
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From: Martin <cin...@gm...> - 2004-06-15 17:15:33
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Am Fri, den 11.06.2004 schrieb Christoph Walcher um 17:37: > You can use the new flag "-ds" to configure the DataStore to be used: > * xml XMLDataStore > * none TransientDataStore > * hsql Hypersonic SQL DataStore (default) > * hsqlstandalone Hypersonic SQL DataStore that connects to a stand > alone HSQL Server Hey, that's what I always wanted. Can we make this configurable directly instead of using switches? Please keep in mind that some people might wish to store some channels in the database and some channels not. Internationalization should be put into "Preferences" dialog, in my opinion. I'll try my luck translating, too. Martin K |
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From: Christoph W. <chr...@we...> - 2004-06-15 07:23:46
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Hi, Perhaps you will receive this message twice but I did not get the last mail from rssview-developers. Ciao Christoph Christoph Walcher wrote: > Hi, > > I found a severe bug in my database schema. The order in which tree > nodes and channels were arranged vanished when saving and loading. I > could not fix this issue without having to do another quite heavy > update to our database. Excuse the inconvenience - you will need to > delete your database files again to run rssview. > > The good news: > I created a class RssCore and extracted the main method from our > (overworked) RssView class. RssCore should be used to set up services > and parse command line arguments. I think this is a better place for > that functionality. > We have two new DataStore implementations: > * TransientDataStore is a DataStore that acts as some kind of place > holder for not using a DataStore. If TransientDataStore is used no > Feeds are loaded or saved. > * XMLDataStore uses java.beans.XMLEncoder/Decoder to load/persist to > a single flat XML file. > > You can use the new flag "-ds" to configure the DataStore to be used: > * xml XMLDataStore > * none TransientDataStore > * hsql Hypersonic SQL DataStore (default) > * hsqlstandalone Hypersonic SQL DataStore that connects to a stand > alone HSQL Server > > example: > java -jar rssview.jar -ds=xml > > Ciao > Christoph |
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