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From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-08-04 20:00:20
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, James Kermode wrote: > The new CVS release works fine for me. Right then, it's up! Get it from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=7023 Note: Please upgrade to GTK+ 1.2.8 or later - earlier versions are buggy and may cause the filer to crash when using the 'spring opening' directories feature. Changes: Added 'spring-loaded' directories. If you drag a file over a directory and hold it there, the directory will spring open! (suggested by Barney Clarkson) Added a popup menu of commonly used chmod strings to the Permissions box. Bug fix: Mount points on the pinboard didn't always redraw when the mounted/unmounted state changed. Renaming now uses the action windows. This means that you can now rename something onto another filesystem. The menu key bindings are now only saved if they actually changed. Tab and Shift-Tab move to next and previous selected item. The new display styles can now be saved as the defaults (bug spotted by Vladimir Klebanov). The toolbar Up and Home buttons can act as drop targets (and spring open too!). Options to set the pinboard text background style (suggested by James Kermode). Added tooltips to some of the options. Dragging near the edge of a window scrolls. Improved the lasso box drag to use the same system (so it scrolls without you having to move the mouse). In the path entry minibuffer, an exact match is favoured over any other match. So, if you enter '.xsession' and press Return you'll get it, not '.xsession-errors' or whatever! Enjoy, Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: James K. <ja...@ke...> - 2000-08-04 17:52:17
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The new CVS release works fine for me. I'm pleased with the new pinboard text drawing options, though I think it'd be even better if you could also specify the text colour to be used as an option, so that you could choose a colour which contrasts well with your background image. What does anyone think? Also on the subject of the pinboard, all of the icons appear as separate windows on my window manager (Window Maker) menu. This means that when I press 'Alt-Tab' to cycle through open windows, it cycles through the icons too, bringing them to the top etc. Is this a Window Maker specific problem? (It also happens with the gnome file manager but not with KDE) How can you 'hide' windows from the window manager to solve it? James -- James Kermode ja...@ke... http://www.kerm.freeserve.co.uk |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-08-04 11:04:07
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Well, I think it's about time for another release! The CVS snapshot in ftp is the latest version; if it works for everyone I'll turn it into the 0.1.26 release. ftp://rox.sourceforge.net/pub/rox/ Let me know if there are any problems... Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-08-02 14:01:08
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OK, it seems the trick was to connect to 'cvs1' rather than 'cvs.sourceforge.net'. The latest CVS snapshot is available here: ftp://rox.sourceforge.net/pub/rox/ It doesn't update automatically yet; I'll look into that tomorrow ;-) Enjoy, Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-08-01 17:03:21
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Thomas Leonard wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > > > "ROX-Filer still needs some work, such as easier > > file-permissions changing and better organisation of the > > main menu, but it's already highly usable and a pleasure to > > work with." > > I guess we should add a popup menu in the permissions window > with some common defaults on, eg: OK, I've added this to CVS. There's a little arrow beside the command box which you can click on for list... Also, this commit fixes a bug in the menu keys saving - only keys changed since the file was last loaded were written out, forgetting previous settings! Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-30 19:40:05
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > "ROX-Filer still needs some work, such as easier > file-permissions changing and better organisation of the > main menu, but it's already highly usable and a pleasure to > work with." I guess we should add a popup menu in the permissions window with some common defaults on, eg: a+r (give everyone read permission) go-rwx (no permissions for anyone else) ... etc What would people want on such a menu? Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-30 17:35:48
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I've made a small change so that renaming uses the background action windows just like copy. This means that you can use the rename menu item to move stuff between filesystems (eg, onto a floppy disk). Also, changes to the key-bindings should now only get saved when you quit if they've actually been changed. On the code side, I've put some stuff that all the code used in global.h and removed the dependencies between the header files - much neater! Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-30 11:49:54
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Andy Piper wrote: > The review doesn't mention RISC OS at all, so presumably > menus etc seem unfamiliar from that point of view. Sorry, I lied - that aspect *is* actually mentioned in the round-up at the end of the article. -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-30 11:48:10
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Thomas Leonard wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > > > Woo-hoo - a short review of 0.1.24 of ROX-Filer appears on > > page 32 of the August edition of Linux Format, amongst a > > round-up of various file managers. It gets 8/10. > > Yay! So... what didn't they like about it then? From the last paragraph... actually the whole review must only be a couple of hundred words... "ROX-Filer still needs some work, such as easier file-permissions changing and better organisation of the main menu, but it's already highly usable and a pleasure to work with." They also *love* the documentation, size and speed. The review doesn't mention RISC OS at all, so presumably menus etc seem unfamiliar from that point of view. 0.1.24 is included on the cover CD as well. -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-30 11:27:40
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > Woo-hoo - a short review of 0.1.24 of ROX-Filer appears on > page 32 of the August edition of Linux Format, amongst a > round-up of various file managers. It gets 8/10. Yay! So... what didn't they like about it then? Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-29 15:55:59
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Well, I can't get the index page for rox.sourceforge.net at the moment - it looks like something weird is going on with the project websites since some show pages with broken links to images, and others don't show anything at all... -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-29 13:22:36
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Woo-hoo - a short review of 0.1.24 of ROX-Filer appears on page 32 of the August edition of Linux Format, amongst a round-up of various file managers. It gets 8/10. -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-27 21:06:43
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Thomas Leonard wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > > > Are you trying to run a cron job to do a cvs update on a > > nightly basis, or something? > > That was the plan, but I can't get CVS to work at all: > > [tal197@aravis ~] ssh shell.sourceforge.net > ... > [tal197@orbital tal197]$ cvs \ > -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/rox login > (Logging in to ano...@cv...) > CVS password: > > I press Return and then it hangs there :-( > Same thing happens with developer access. Does it work for you? Erm... actually you're right, it is hanging for me at the moment (both anonymous and developer on cvs.OpenUT.sourceforge.net). > Well, I'd prefer to use anon access (which shouldn't require ssh, although > it might work as I've uploaded my public key to the CVS server). That way, > after you've downloaded the snapshot you could use `cvs update' to keep it > current... Ah, now there's a point - I'd never tried anonymous access when I was playing with this, which might have been the fatal flaw. Mind you, at the minute, my ssh session is still hanging... > Odd :-( Maybe I'll have to file a support request... Indeed. Unless I get any further, I'll do the same. -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-27 20:59:02
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Simon Britnell wrote: > I recently downloaded ROX-Filer and I'm so impressed I'm thinking of > building a mini-distro around it :) Interesting! What distro would it be based around? > The only thing I dislike about it so far is the complexity (relative to > doing everything else in ROX-Filer) of associating files with apps. As > far as I can see, it requires editing a text file to add a line with the > mime-type and the file patterns/extensions of the files that use that > mime type to mime info and then (easily) setting up the association > through ROX-Filer. I noticed this particularly when I set up LyX. Yep, this bit needs work... The best thing would be if - installing Lyx added a lyx.mime file somewhere sensible and - running it without one added it to the user's Choices/MIME-info But that's not going to work for all apps, so... > I propose to modify the association setup so that if a file is being > associated which doesn't match any mime type patterns, it gives it a > mime type automatically rather than trying to set the association for > text mime type. 'automatically'? How? Some things might depend on a having a valid MIME type so you'll need to be a bit careful here. At the very least, make sure the user specifies the media type (image/text/audio/etc). The subtype could default to x-extension, eg a .lyx file would suggest: application/x-lyx > Naturally, I don't want to do this if (for some reason I haven't seen) > it's a bad thing(tm). Please let me know what you think before I grab > the CVS version and look at it on the weekend. It sounds like a good idea. Perhaps you could post some more details about how it would work (internally and interface) for discussion here? [ file-type issues usually stir up quite a debate - last time I think the vote was for some kind of AI system to sort things out ;-) ] Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-27 18:19:19
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Andy Piper wrote: > Thomas Leonard wrote: > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: > > > > > BTW, with regard to CVS snapshots - yes please; my PC doesn't have an > > > internet connection and the university computers don't have CVS. > > > > Hmm... maybe I spoke too soon. Anyone know how to update a checked-out > > CVS from inside sourceforge? cvs.rox.sourceforge.net doesn't seem to > > answer internal requests :-( > > Are you trying to run a cron job to do a cvs update on a > nightly basis, or something? That was the plan, but I can't get CVS to work at all: [tal197@aravis ~] ssh shell.sourceforge.net ... [tal197@orbital tal197]$ cvs \ -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/rox login (Logging in to ano...@cv...) CVS password: I press Return and then it hangs there :-( Same thing happens with developer access. Does it work for you? > If so, I believe the reason that it won't work is that ssh > requires a controlling shell. I had a similar problem with > OpenUT - I had planned to update the website from a copy > held in CVS every twleve hours, but it faltered on that > point. I could run my shell script when logged in, but not > from cron. Well, I'd prefer to use anon access (which shouldn't require ssh, although it might work as I've uploaded my public key to the CVS server). That way, after you've downloaded the snapshot you could use `cvs update' to keep it current... > If not... pass :-/ > 'cvs update' should work from an ssh session to > shell.sourceforge.net, it always has for me anyway. Odd :-( Maybe I'll have to file a support request... Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-26 20:35:33
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Thomas Leonard wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: > > > BTW, with regard to CVS snapshots - yes please; my PC doesn't have an > > internet connection and the university computers don't have CVS. > > Hmm... maybe I spoke too soon. Anyone know how to update a checked-out > CVS from inside sourceforge? cvs.rox.sourceforge.net doesn't seem to > answer internal requests :-( Are you trying to run a cron job to do a cvs update on a nightly basis, or something? If so, I believe the reason that it won't work is that ssh requires a controlling shell. I had a similar problem with OpenUT - I had planned to update the website from a copy held in CVS every twleve hours, but it faltered on that point. I could run my shell script when logged in, but not from cron. If not... pass :-/ 'cvs update' should work from an ssh session to shell.sourceforge.net, it always has for me anyway. -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Simon B. <sim...@pe...> - 2000-07-26 20:10:58
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I recently downloaded ROX-Filer and I'm so impressed I'm thinking of building a mini-distro around it :) The only thing I dislike about it so far is the complexity (relative to doing everything else in ROX-Filer) of associating files with apps. As far as I can see, it requires editing a text file to add a line with the mime-type and the file patterns/extensions of the files that use that mime type to mime info and then (easily) setting up the association through ROX-Filer. I noticed this particularly when I set up LyX. I propose to modify the association setup so that if a file is being associated which doesn't match any mime type patterns, it gives it a mime type automatically rather than trying to set the association for text mime type. Naturally, I don't want to do this if (for some reason I haven't seen) it's a bad thing(tm). Please let me know what you think before I grab the CVS version and look at it on the weekend. Thanks for your time and attention. |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-26 19:37:57
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Just a simple change today: Tab and Shift-Tab can be used to move between selected items. Quite handy if you've just done a `Select If...' and want to see what you've got... Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-26 18:26:04
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Garrett C wrote: > Incidentally, I mentioned earlier about organizing icons on the pinboard > ala RO4. Some of you weren`t sure what this entailed. Although I haven`t > seen it in action myself, I seem to remember reading in Acorn User that it > could organise icons on the screen according to their type. For example, > you could have apps automatically iconise to the left hand side, and files > to the right. I think this must refer to iconising windows rather than files - therefore, this is under the control of the window manager, not the filer. Maybe iconised directories went one way and apps the other? I'm sure there must be a WM out there somewhere that can handle this ;-) Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-25 18:32:28
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Vladimir Klebanov wrote: > hi, > > i found a small bug in rox-filer. You can display the file list with > small icons and _sizes_ but this state is not save-able. A brief look in > display.c shows that indeed only Oops! Fixed now (and it shouldn't happen in future either!). Other changes in this commit: The toolbar Up and Home buttons can act as drop targets (and spring open too!). Options to set the pinboard text background style. Added an option to control the spring-loading feature. Added tooltips to some of the options. Improved the rule for deciding whether to open a new window when you click on the toolbar buttons (buttons 2 and 3 could do different things before!). Stopped the spring-open window moving while it's open (prevents a bug in GTK+ from causing problems). Please use GTK+ 1.2.8 or later now! Dragging near the edge of a window scrolls. Improved the lasso box drag to use the same system (so it scrolls without you having to move the mouse). Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: a a <mai...@ya...> - 2000-07-23 17:58:48
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> And, since the point of transparent icon drags is to > allow you to see > what's going on under the icon (eg, exactly where > some text will get > inserted), that's not much use. What about using some sort of transparency to indicate the type of drag that is taking place. So a normal copy drag, which is creating a copy or 'ghost' of a file, is shown with a transparent drag. Then a shift drag, which moves a file, uses a solid drag, to indicate that the original file is being moved rather than a 'ghost' copy. The icon of the original file in the filer window disappears during the drag, so that it is visibly moved. > PS: We seem to have moved up 917 places in the > sourefore 'Top downloads > this week'!! Well did anyone see that ROX was featured in the Linux section of the Dave Central archive (www.davecentral.com) ? This may account for some of the interest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ |
From: Andy P. <squ...@uk...> - 2000-07-23 16:01:29
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Thomas Leonard wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Garrett C wrote: > > Out of interest, have you thought of contacting RedHat, Debian etc to see > > if they'd include ROX in their distros? That could increase the profile > > still further! > > I was planning on waiting for a stable release first ;-) > > That said, I've heard of packages being made/available for at least two > distros... In my experience, to get included in an official distro (not just packaged as an RPM for example, which anyone can do), you'll find that the people from the company/group concerned contact *you*, not the other way round ;) -- Andy Piper - Fareham, Hampshire (UK) and...@fr... OpenUT for Linux http://openut.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-23 14:44:35
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: > BTW, with regard to CVS snapshots - yes please; my PC doesn't have an > internet connection and the university computers don't have CVS. Hmm... maybe I spoke too soon. Anyone know how to update a checked-out CVS from inside sourceforge? cvs.rox.sourceforge.net doesn't seem to answer internal requests :-( Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@le...> - 2000-07-23 14:04:37
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Garrett C wrote: > Hi there! > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Thomas Leonard wrote: > > > Directories should now 'spring-open' if you drag a file and hold it over > > one. I've just finished coding it, so it may be a bit rough... ;-) > > This sounds cool. Is it configurable though? It might be nice to have a > choice between this and just being able to insert a file in a directory by > dragging the icon over the directory icon. Or having the filer window that > just popped up disappear once the file had been copied/moved. Maybe that > could depebnd on the button used to drag the file? You can turn the feature on and off now from the options box, but the delay is fixed at the moment. Currently, the window disappears once you've saved, but this could easily be made an option too. > > Also, GNOME-style toolbar has changed to 'Large' toolbar and is no longer > > detachable (was anyone using this feature?). The other mouse button should > > work with it now. > > If you mean the detachable feature, no I wasn't :o) But then, I didn't > realise that was possible... I don't think it was very useful, but it could be re-added if anyone actually wants it. > In the version of ROX I am using, the toolbar does appear a little > empty. Would it be possible to configure it to have icons for things like > display style etc? We need to decide how this is going to work! I guess we'll have a long list of options in the Options box so that you can choose which of all possible buttons appear. Which buttons would people like? - Display menu? Or buttons for the things on the menu (eg Show Hidden)? - Some kind of popup menu showing the directory tree around the current directory. - Close window? Anything else? > > PS: We seem to have moved up 917 places in the sourefore 'Top downloads > > this week'!! > > Excellent! Shows ROX is gaining popularity! > > Out of interest, have you thought of contacting RedHat, Debian etc to see > if they'd include ROX in their distros? That could increase the profile > still further! I was planning on waiting for a stable release first ;-) That said, I've heard of packages being made/available for at least two distros... Thomas Leonard -- ta...@us... The ROX desktop (free/GPL) : http://rox.sourceforge.net |
From: Garrett C <ga...@cs...> - 2000-07-22 20:07:30
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Hi there! On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Thomas Leonard wrote: > Directories should now 'spring-open' if you drag a file and hold it over > one. I've just finished coding it, so it may be a bit rough... ;-) This sounds cool. Is it configurable though? It might be nice to have a choice between this and just being able to insert a file in a directory by dragging the icon over the directory icon. Or having the filer window that just popped up disappear once the file had been copied/moved. Maybe that could depebnd on the button used to drag the file? > > Also, GNOME-style toolbar has changed to 'Large' toolbar and is no longer > detachable (was anyone using this feature?). The other mouse button should > work with it now. > If you mean the detachable feature, no I wasn't :o) But then, I didn't realise that was possible... In the version of ROX I am using, the toolbar does appear a little empty. Would it be possible to configure it to have icons for things like display style etc? > PS: We seem to have moved up 917 places in the sourefore 'Top downloads > this week'!! Excellent! Shows ROX is gaining popularity! Out of interest, have you thought of contacting RedHat, Debian etc to see if they'd include ROX in their distros? That could increase the profile still further! Cheers, Chris. |