From: <k-...@tr...> - 2013-02-24 03:04:22
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I tried MusiX-2 and it was the first time I could get Rosegarden to work really. There seemed to be no support at that time and I let it go. Also tried Ubuntu-Studio-12.04 and it worked fine but having been spoiled I have a hard time doing what I want in any Debian-based system so I keep it as a stby. My primary system is OpenSuse which is very easy and clean to use but Rosegarden could not be used on it at all with Jack until version 12.2 when the devs really put it all together eventhough Suse is not known as a MM strong distro. I now CAN set it all up with Qsynth, qjackctl, Zyn (and Pulse uninstalled). There is one residual pissoff issue withit it though and that has to do with jack connections I think. A lot depends on the shutdown sequence, I ususally disconnect all in qjackctl and then shut down the apps in the group. If I mess this part up, or every time some of them just crash, then a real mess ensues requiring at a minimum a KDE reset, sometimes SEVERAL complete reboots on az Asus Crosshair-IV system with two onboard sound devices. KDE seems to be screwed up as to which can or cannot be used until it gets sorted out after several reboots. Now that I've heard about MisiX-3 I'll sure check it out too. Meanwhile I 'd love to see one of the RG devs adopt OpenSuse as that would likely make my life easier :-) |
From: <k-...@tr...> - 2013-02-25 04:21:47
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> Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 21:41:19 -0500 > From: k-...@tr... > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden friendly distros > To: ros...@li... > Message-ID: <201...@tr...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > On 02/23/2013 04:41 PM, k-...@tr... wrote: > > > I tried MusiX-2 and it was the first time I could get Rosegarden to > > work really. There seemed to be no support at that time and I let it > > go. Also tried Ubuntu-Studio-12.04 and it worked fine but having been > > spoiled I have a hard time doing what I want in any Debian-based > > system so I keep it as a stby. > > Hmm, haven't had problems making Debian do what I want. Haven't looked > at SuSE for ages. If you saw the stuff I have set up you'd understand but it's not an RG topic so I won't go into it here in detail. As one example I have 300 or so custom scripts to mount/unmount partitions on dedicated mountpoints, start windows by first of all copying-in from a sterile archive, start-stop apache etc. etc. etc. all of these are in a nested dropdown menu in the panel just one click away :-) I've spoiled myself rotten, Suse is no screaming hell MM-wise but I am for the time being on the hook |
From: David T. <dav...@gm...> - 2013-02-25 14:13:39
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Thanks for all the recommendations. I have tried Ubuntustudio before but have had lots of issues with networking. Seems like there are few if any network drivers enabled in the Ubuntustudio Kernel. This is why I installed straight Ubuntu and added the music programs I use. Networking issues is a huge deal breaker in my environment. I loved Studio64 but it is just too old now. I started out using JAD which was a DAW/MIDI hack of Suse but they only got one stable version and a second beta out the door before they packed it in. Suse is my personal preferred Distro but since JAD called it quits, I have often had to compile several of the music programs I use and create some workarounds to get things to work properly. I am going to try a download of Musix and either Fedora Core or Cent OS with Planet CCRMA addons. They all seem to have quirks to deal with. I really need proper networking plus JACK, Rosegarden, ZynaddSubFX, Hydrogen Drum Machine, Audacity and Ardour. In the classroom, Ardour is the least important and Rosegarden plus Zyn and Hydrogen are the most important. Dave |
From: Brett M. <idr...@gm...> - 2013-02-25 14:19:00
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM, David Tisdell <dav...@gm...> wrote: > I have tried Ubuntustudio before but have had lots of issues with > networking. Seems like there are few if any network drivers enabled in the > Ubuntustudio Kernel. This is why I installed straight Ubuntu and added the > music programs I use. Networking issues is a huge deal breaker in my > environment. That's strange, it should have everything Ubuntu has in terms of networking support. I use Ubuntu Studio on multiple machines, including a laptop with wireless, and networking has always worked out of the box. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi |
From: <ra...@hy...> - 2013-02-26 00:07:54
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> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM, David Tisdell <dav...@gm...> > wrote: > >> I have tried Ubuntustudio before but have had lots of issues with >> networking. Seems like there are few if any network drivers enabled in >> the >> Ubuntustudio Kernel. This is why I installed straight Ubuntu and added >> the >> music programs I use. Networking issues is a huge deal breaker in my >> environment. > > That's strange, it should have everything Ubuntu has in terms of > networking support. I use Ubuntu Studio on multiple machines, > including a laptop with wireless, and networking has always worked out > of the box. > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You're right, that is strange. My company has two Ubuntu Studio machines connected to our Linux cluster. The cluster itself consists of mostly Debian boxen but there is a CentOS machine in there. Some Knoppix machines are also sometimes coupled in. We use fixed IP addresses which is a requirement of some of the back-end video rendering software we use. Initial setup is a bit tedious but the combined grunt of the cluster is formidable. Rich Marschall -- http://www.hydrophones.com/MAI-Audio |
From: David T. <dav...@gm...> - 2013-02-26 12:47:47
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I am glad to hear that the networking problem seems unusual. I tried UbuntuStudio 3 separate times and had networking issues every time which didn't exist with the same version of regular Ubuntu. That experience steered me away from Ubuntustudio. It seems like it is the only DAW distro that has had real staying power. Others have been around for 1 or 2 revs and died or there has been a very long gap between updates. In general, i am not overly fond of Ubuntu as a distro. When I experienced the networking issues in studio, I was less inclined to troubleshoot than I would have been in a distro I was more familiar with and liked better but with the staying power of studio, perhaps I should take another look. Dave On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM, <ra...@hy...> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:13 AM, David Tisdell <dav...@gm...> > > wrote: > > > >> I have tried Ubuntustudio before but have had lots of issues with > >> networking. Seems like there are few if any network drivers enabled in > >> the > >> Ubuntustudio Kernel. This is why I installed straight Ubuntu and added > >> the > >> music programs I use. Networking issues is a huge deal breaker in my > >> environment. > > > > That's strange, it should have everything Ubuntu has in terms of > > networking support. I use Ubuntu Studio on multiple machines, > > including a laptop with wireless, and networking has always worked out > > of the box. > > > > -- > > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You're right, that is strange. My company has two Ubuntu Studio machines > connected to our Linux cluster. The cluster itself consists of mostly > Debian boxen but there is a CentOS machine in there. Some Knoppix > machines are also sometimes coupled in. We use fixed IP addresses which > is a requirement of some of the back-end video rendering software we use. > Initial setup is a bit tedious but the combined grunt of the cluster is > formidable. > > Rich Marschall -- http://www.hydrophones.com/MAI-Audio > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > |
From: Brett M. <idr...@gm...> - 2013-02-26 12:54:10
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:46 AM, David Tisdell <dav...@gm...> wrote: > I am glad to hear that the networking problem seems unusual. I tried > UbuntuStudio 3 separate times and had networking issues every time which > didn't exist with the same version of regular Ubuntu. That experience > steered me away from Ubuntustudio. It seems like it is the only DAW distro > that has had real staying power. Others have been around for 1 or 2 revs and > died or there has been a very long gap between updates. Ubuntu Studio 3? Must have been a very old version, since 10.04 or so it has become a very solid and musician friendly distribution. It's up to 13.04 right now (I am still on 12.04 LTS), and essentially maintains full compatibility with plain Ubuntu. as they are all released together. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi |
From: Thomas S. <tom...@gm...> - 2013-02-26 12:57:16
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> Ubuntu Studio 3? Must have been a very old version Uh .... no, that's not what he wrote. He wrote that he tried Ubuntu Studio, and he tried it three separate times. If I read it correctly. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Brett McCoy <idr...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:46 AM, David Tisdell <dav...@gm...> > wrote: > > > I am glad to hear that the networking problem seems unusual. I tried > > UbuntuStudio 3 separate times and had networking issues every time which > > didn't exist with the same version of regular Ubuntu. That experience > > steered me away from Ubuntustudio. It seems like it is the only DAW > distro > > that has had real staying power. Others have been around for 1 or 2 revs > and > > died or there has been a very long gap between updates. > > Ubuntu Studio 3? Must have been a very old version, since 10.04 or so > it has become a very solid and musician friendly distribution. It's up > to 13.04 right now (I am still on 12.04 LTS), and essentially > maintains full compatibility with plain Ubuntu. as they are all > released together. > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. > Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics > Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > |
From: Brett M. <idr...@gm...> - 2013-02-26 13:04:22
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Thomas Sattler <tom...@gm...> wrote: >> Ubuntu Studio 3? Must have been a very old version > > Uh .... no, that's not what he wrote. He wrote that he tried Ubuntu Studio, > and he tried it three separate times. If I read it correctly. Yep, you're right, I misread it. -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi |
From: David T. <dav...@gm...> - 2013-02-26 13:46:47
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Thomas had it correct, 3 separate times On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brett McCoy <idr...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Thomas Sattler <tom...@gm...> > wrote: > >> Ubuntu Studio 3? Must have been a very old version > > > > Uh .... no, that's not what he wrote. He wrote that he tried Ubuntu > Studio, > > and he tried it three separate times. If I read it correctly. > > Yep, you're right, I misread it. > > -- > Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, > it would overturn the world." > -- Jelaleddin Rumi > |
From: david <gn...@ha...> - 2013-02-24 04:29:18
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On 02/23/2013 04:41 PM, k-...@tr... wrote: > I tried MusiX-2 and it was the first time I could get Rosegarden to > work really. There seemed to be no support at that time and I let it > go. Also tried Ubuntu-Studio-12.04 and it worked fine but having been > spoiled I have a hard time doing what I want in any Debian-based > system so I keep it as a stby. Hmm, haven't had problems making Debian do what I want. Haven't looked at SuSE for ages. < My primary system is OpenSuse which is > very easy and clean to use but Rosegarden could not be used on it at > all with Jack until version 12.2 when the devs really put it all > together eventhough Suse is not known as a MM strong distro. I now > CAN set it all up with Qsynth, qjackctl, Zyn (and Pulse > uninstalled). Sounds exactly how I have my Debian systems' set up. ;-) > There is one residual pissoff issue withit it though and that has to > do with jack connections I think. A lot depends on the shutdown > sequence, I ususally disconnect all in qjackctl and then shut down > the apps in the group. If I mess this part up, or every time some of > them just crash, then a real mess ensues requiring at a minimum a KDE > reset, sometimes SEVERAL complete reboots on az Asus Crosshair-IV > system with two onboard sound devices. KDE seems to be screwed up as > to which can or cannot be used until it gets sorted out after several > reboots. Now that I've heard about MisiX-3 I'll sure check it out > too. Meanwhile I 'd love to see one of the RG devs adopt OpenSuse as > that would likely make my life easier :-) I don't waste system resources on KDE (especially 4). My usual shutdown process: close Rosegarden. Close Zyn/Yoshimi/Fluid/etc. Stop JACK using QJackCtl. Close QJackCtl. Shutdown with no problems. Basically, the reverse of the process I use to start them. -- David gn...@ha... authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ |
From: Tim M. <or...@le...> - 2013-02-24 14:45:20
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k-...@tr... wrote: > There is one residual pissoff issue withit it though and that has to do with > jack connections I think. A lot depends on the shutdown sequence, I ususally > disconnect all in qjackctl and then shut down the apps in the group. If I mess > this part up, or every time some of them just crash, then a real mess ensues > requiring at a minimum a KDE reset, sometimes SEVERAL complete reboots on az > Asus Crosshair-IV system with two onboard sound devices. KDE seems to be > screwed up as to which can or cannot be used until it gets sorted out after > several reboots. I'm not familiar with the quirks of various distros (I've been with Slackware for quite a while now), but the problem you describe sounds like it might be the work of "udev." udev works at bootup to dynamically assign names to various interfaces as the kernel discovers them. The problem is that multiple interfaces of the same type are not always discovered in the same sequence and can end up with different names each time the machine boots. Naturally this breaks any setup that requires some sort of naming consistency. Although I've never had more than one sound interface, I have experienced much grief with multiple ethernet cards and cdroms. udev has a rules file (usually somewhere in /etc) where it allegedly supports persistent rules, designed to circumvent this sort of nonsense. But "persistent" rules are of little value when udev can simply replace them (on my system at least). The only way I found to achieve a stable setup was to write one final udev rule that fires a script that overwrites the new persistent rules that udev has likely just written. With any luck you will find a distro that doesn't exhibit this behavior. Tim Munro |