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From: jimmy <wg...@ya...> - 2012-08-27 21:13:22
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, "D. Michael McIntyre" <mic...@ro...> wrote: > My computer had been up for almost 18 months before I > decided to try > upgrading it. You'd think I would have learned that > for every stable > thing in Linux there are 50,000 hopeless train wrecks in > between. > > I tire of this so-called progress. > I gave up on KDE and GNOME a couple of years ago, especially on a couple of older laptops with not too much memory. Now I use Fluxbox, with a few commands in the ~/.fluxbox/startup file to startup some apps, since it doesn't save session information. Again, I keep a few 20 GB partitions just so I can install separate versions of Linux on each, wiping out oldest partition for the latest distro release. It also help me recover configuration info from one of the other partitions during the first few weeks as I install the apps I want. Of course, I keep my data in yet other logical partitions, separate from those bootable partitions. The arrangement saved me lots of time, headache, and heartache along the way. I think most GUI applications are dumbing-down the users, keeping them ignorant of how the system should work. Various *buntu distros are also dumbing down the user knowlege base, trying to cater to the dumb-users of Windows and Macs. Perhaps I'll share my upgrade experience. Since I'm using Debian Sid/Unstable, the repository is almost always in state of constant change, and some apps may have dependencies issue while the repository is changing. Yeah, early on I have had a couple of problematic upgrades that left Xorg broken so everything was in text console mode. A day or two later, continue to try upgrade did clear everything, and that computer was again working. I have learned to do: apt-get update apt-get -d upgrade the "-d" option tell it to only download, but won't actually apply the upgrade. If there are packages missing, or have broken prerequisites, I would not continue, but keep try those to commands until all the packages get completely downloaded. Once that's done without problems, I would go ahead with apt-get upgrade With all the needed packages and all prerequisite packages are already downloaded, I only need to make sure the system partition has enough disk space for the upgrade before answering "yes" to apply the upgrade. I don't think I have much of a problem with Linux system upgrade since. Of course, different distros not using apt package manager may have similar options, you may want to look up such options. More often, I upgrade certain apps with apt-get -d install someapp if there's no problems, then continue with apt-get install someapp GUI apps and their convenience is one thing. But they are not that smart, in fact they dumb-down the user knowledge exposure of how and why things work within the system. The less they know, the more problems they will encounter. Generally speaking, the GUI app developers make too much assumption, without error checking, or disk space checking. Good luck. Jimmy |
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From: <k-...@tr...> - 2012-08-28 14:45:56
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LillyPond sounds like something really nice, I say sounds like because I haven't been able to print with it yet, or even see a print-preview. I've just installed Musix-2.0, I'm next going to set up the printing on it (wifi net printer). When LillyPond is buggy or missing maybe a simpler other than lillypond print would suffice. It's a real pain to have to do captures and then load them into gimp for even rudimentary printing. The score formatting really should give the composer the option to add/remove measures AND more importantly decide which measures will go on which line (often to follow lyrics for example). I can also think of a situatiion when I may want to later add guitar tabs, so there I would want to control spacing as well as the number of lines to the page to leave room between them. Ditto for the indenting, it seems to be a thing of the past in writing anyway so maybe options are needed? |
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From: David T. <dav...@gm...> - 2012-08-28 16:17:08
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Rosegarden uses Lilypond for printing. You should be able to print directly from Rosegarden as long as Lilypond is installed. I use Suse as well. I seem to remember needng to manually install lilypond with a script because i had trouble finding an rpm for suse but it wasn't a big deal. Dave On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM, <k-...@tr...> wrote: > > > LillyPond sounds like something really nice, I say sounds like because I > haven't been able to print with it yet, or even see a print-preview. I've > just installed Musix-2.0, I'm next going to set up the printing on it (wifi > net printer). > > When LillyPond is buggy or missing maybe a simpler other than lillypond > print would suffice. It's a real pain to have to do captures and then load > them into gimp for even rudimentary printing. > > The score formatting really should give the composer the option to > add/remove measures AND more importantly decide which measures will go on > which line (often to follow lyrics for example). I can also think of a > situatiion when I may want to later add guitar tabs, so there I would want > to control spacing as well as the number of lines to the page to leave room > between them. > > Ditto for the indenting, it seems to be a thing of the past in writing > anyway so maybe options are needed? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > |
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From: jimmy <wg...@ya...> - 2012-08-28 17:05:51
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2012, Jim Cochrane <m_...@bu...> wrote: > As most (probably everyone) on this list knows, the main > transition at > this point is from the "desktop" (GUI on a PC - Windows for > most > people, but also OSX and Linux) to either or both of: > > - mobile/tablet-based apps, most of which make heavy > use of web > and/or internet connections. > > - web-based applications, where the main characters > are the "browser" > and a web server, a group of web-servers, > and/or "cloud-centric" > systems (which, perhaps, is a synonym for > "group of web-servers"). > > For both of these options, most of the work will be done on > servers on > the web and the user's "computer" will be mainly a client > making use of > services running on these servers. I have seen enough to say that, sure, there is some changes. But most of them are the numerous companies trying to one-up each other with so claimed "innovation". Just happens those things are new code base with little testing, trying to claim "first to market". So the users are guinea pigs. The *buntu distros are also dumbing down the user experience the same way Windows, Macs, Cell phones are. They claim to make things simple for the users. I'd say they want to keep the users from knowing too much, and that there are other ways of doing things, not just what presented by the GUI. The software industry have had many server-centric, then PC-centric, now back to server-centric (cloud, web-apps...) They are just the companies to sell new softwares along with suport and service contracts... churning the market for new revenues. Abandoned softwares need support contracts, or migration cost of developing for the "newest trend today". Sure the cell phone and tablet with wireless capabilities add a little bit more to the flexibilities, but again, they are driven by large software companies's drumming up of new revenue sources. > In the meantime we are stuck with these painful > transitional > technologies, such as GNOME 3 and Ubuntu's Unity, which to > many people > seem like (and perhaps are) monstrosities. I don't > think the Linux > world is alone in being affected by these transitional pains > - many > people are wondering what the fuck they are going to do when > Windows 8 > (or Metro, or whatever-the-fuck it's being called now) comes > out. No we don't have to stick with the new "default desktop" or default GUI the *buntu chose to use. You can install any other desktops and use that. You don't have to stick with the PulseAudio, you can disable it, or uninstall it. If that's too much work to fight the current within the distro, perhaps switch to a more customizable distro is less of a hassle in the long run. Just as many of us abandoned Windows because they have made it hell to back up and restore the OS to/from bare hard drive. And with the Knoppix liveCd of a dozen years or so ago, it's a whole new world of simpler data recovery, and installation of Linux. We can decide what we use, not what they try force us to use. The more we learn the underlying components that make up our system and tools available, the better we are to make the computer work the way we want. Not how they want us to do, their way. I have seen enough of the churning changes. Unity is only available on *buntu, because none of the other distros care about it at the moment. I will stick with what works and not be guinea pigs. Thanks, but no thanks. > And the true-geek will be > able to use > their pain to direct themselves to a workable, perhaps > partly-hacked-together, solution. But the pseudo geek > will likely have > the demands to insist on something better than what's > available, but > not the skills to whip something up that will fulfill what > they need. > Result: mucho pain. Well so-called true geeks are just people who believe they have seen enough to know that Linux/Unix can be customized however they want. They are not the know-it-all either. They spent long hours to learn how things are done and replicated those scripts and programs, learning from open-source code available to them. I simply say that the "geeks" are just determined to get it done be cause they it can be done. Pseuodo geeks are either newbies, or wannabe's who haven't spent time to learn how things work, or are afraid of spending time to learn. Most people who have spent time to learn how to get jackd/qjackctl, fluidsynth/qsynth, rosegarden, MIDI working on a low-latency Linux kernel is a Linux MIDI geek already. Perhaps not a Linux sys-admin geek, or Bash script geek, Perl geek, Python geek... It's just a matter of how much one really wants to learn, and spent the appropriate time to learn, that's all. The other side of that is ignorance. Jimmy |
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From: John <wil...@co...> - 2012-08-29 13:36:37
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On 2012-08-28, at 1:05 PM, jimmy wrote: > > Well so-called true geeks are just people who believe they have seen enough to know that Linux/Unix can be customized however they want. They are not the know-it-all either. They spent long hours to learn how things are done and replicated those scripts and programs, learning from open-source code available to them. I simply say that the "geeks" are just determined to get it done be cause they it can be done. > > Pseuodo geeks are either newbies, or wannabe's who haven't spent time to learn how things work, or are afraid of spending time to learn. > > Most people who have spent time to learn how to get jackd/qjackctl, fluidsynth/qsynth, rosegarden, MIDI working on a low-latency Linux kernel is a Linux MIDI geek already. Perhaps not a Linux sys-admin geek, or Bash script geek, Perl geek, Python geek... It's just a matter of how much one really wants to learn, and spent the appropriate time to learn, that's all. The other side of that is ignorance. > > Jimmy > I programmed my first computer in 1956 (IBM650). I am very fortunate to have been actively involved in the use and development of sophisticated software and hardware. In the early days there was no talk of "geeks" . Curiosity and a dedicated willingness to advance the state of the art were the driving force. Initially, the main tools were the mastering of assembly language as used for the misc computers, and then later for the misc CPU's that become available in the early 70. High level languages become available in the late 50 and become fast more and more sophisticated. As a young engineer, it was my pride to to keep up with the advances as much as I could. In 1994 Linux made its appearance and very quickly become a favourite for those who wanted to know the inside of how things were done and who were also interested in modifying program written by other programmers. The concept of "Open Source" was widely hailed as a major breakthrough, but was also widely misunderstood in its usage. Many companies who incorporated Linux into their products found themselves involved in expensive law suits or to take the lesser evil, paying heavy royalties. D.Michael McIntyre, the originator of this thread, had it right with his statement that "The future of Linux sure looks bleak". It is certainly true as far as the "Desktop" Linux goes. On the other hand, it is not true for the Server market. The significant difference is that the server version has no unnecessary frills. It is very basic Linux with no GUI's and no clever enhancements. A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered new distro (whatever !) that is not suffering from any of the known illnesses. I can assure them that they are living in a dream world. The next update will bring them back to reality. I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. John |
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From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2012-08-29 13:56:51
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:36:26 -0400 John <wil...@co...> wrote: > > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. > > John Well, I totally disagree with this. My DAW was installed about 4 years ago, apart from the occasional security update it has remained unchanged. Although, yes, I occasionally update Rosegarden from SVN and also Yoshimi, neither of which it particularly difficult. My office machine was installed even earlier, and the only reason I re-installed the OS was because I'd tried playing silly buggers with it, knowing full well the risks. So it was no loss, because it is now running debian wheezy very happily. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. |
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From: Richard B. <ric...@fe...> - 2012-08-29 14:16:32
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On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John <wil...@co...> wrote: [...] > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. Well said, sir. R |
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From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2012-08-29 21:14:36
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On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: > On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John <wil...@co...> wrote: > [...] >> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. > > Well said, sir. I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much to do with temperament and perspective. For instance, I'm sure that (of historical Rosegarden developers) you and Guillaume would agree that your lives have been more pleasant since you stopped having to apply the principle that "it has to be beaten into shape in order to work in Linux" and switched to other platforms in which you get things done more readily. Revisiting other operating systems in the light of your experience with Linux, you find one of them more satisfying and switch -- contentedly, I assume. On the other hand I've had similar experience of other platforms and found that, in comparison, Linux is the one I most enjoy using, for many largely subjective reasons. So the same experience has made me more content as well, but in a different way. As another example -- John wrote, likely accurately, > A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered new distro [...] The next update will bring them back to reality. But another way of looking at the ebb-and-flow is that, provided the basics of the OS remain the things you always liked about it, you can mostly just ignore the passing fads -- so long as you can stick with the configuration you like and adapt away configurations you don't get on with, the platform will always come back to you eventually. I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either. So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to relish the good things about it. Chris |
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From: Richard B. <ric...@fe...> - 2012-08-29 22:27:12
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On 29 Aug 2012, at 23:14, Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> wrote: > So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to > relish the good things about it. It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. R |
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From: steve c. <ste...@gm...> - 2012-08-29 22:29:41
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Ubuntu Studio 12.04 defaults to XFCE I believe. I've been using it for a while now with great success. Didn't take much of a test ride to boil down Unity though. 12.04 finally has a proper real time pre-emptive kernel again after going through a bit of a rough patch for a release or two. |
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From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2012-08-30 07:13:42
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On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: > It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. There's just no poetry in you. Chris |
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From: david <gn...@ha...> - 2012-08-30 09:03:43
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On 08/29/2012 09:13 PM, Chris Cannam wrote: > On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown<ric...@fe...> wrote: >> It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. > > There's just no poetry in you. Clearly he needs to read the award-winning book, "The Soul of a New Machine." -- David gn...@ha... authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ |
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From: Richard B. <ric...@fe...> - 2012-08-30 12:27:36
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On 30 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> wrote: > On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: >> It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. > > There's just no poetry in you. Ok, this is your fault. http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ R |
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From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2012-08-30 20:45:18
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On 30 August 2012 13:27, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: > Ok, this is your fault. Glad of it -- it's good! Other than that it seems to be about computers. Chris |
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From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2012-08-31 19:37:14
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On 30 August 2012 13:27, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: > Ok, this is your fault. > > http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ http://thebreakfastpost.com/2012/08/31/a-batch-processing-system-replies/ Chris |
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From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2012-08-31 21:24:55
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:37:13 +0100 Chris Cannam <ca...@al...> wrote: > On 30 August 2012 13:27, Richard Bown <ric...@fe...> wrote: > > Ok, this is your fault. > > > > http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/ > > http://thebreakfastpost.com/2012/08/31/a-batch-processing-system-replies/ > > > Chris Some people clearly have far too much free time :p -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. |
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From: Luis G. <lui...@us...> - 2012-09-02 07:42:49
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O trusted and olden computer: thou sure wasn't meant for the future! This new distro fits not inside thy bits. I feel pushed to buy something cuter. |
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From: david <gn...@ha...> - 2012-08-30 09:18:52
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On 08/29/2012 11:14 AM, Chris Cannam wrote: > On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard > Bown<ric...@fe...> wrote: >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John<wil...@co...> wrote: [...] >>> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the >>> accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to >>> work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. >> >> Well said, sir. > > I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so > much to do with temperament and perspective. > > For instance, I'm sure that (of historical Rosegarden developers) > you and Guillaume would agree that your lives have been more > pleasant since you stopped having to apply the principle that "it has > to be beaten into shape in order to work in Linux" and switched to > other platforms in which you get things done more readily. Revisiting > other operating systems in the light of your experience with Linux, > you find one of them more satisfying and switch -- contentedly, I > assume. > > On the other hand I've had similar experience of other platforms and > found that, in comparison, Linux is the one I most enjoy using, for > many largely subjective reasons. So the same experience has made me > more content as well, but in a different way. > > As another example -- John wrote, likely accurately, > >> A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently >> discovered new distro [...] The next update will bring them back to >> reality. FWIW, I've been running Debian Sid on several machines for many years. I've only had two dist-upgrades produce failures that required restoring a system image. (And one of those dist-upgrade failures happened because I was mixing Sid with Experimental.) So if I can do all my productive work using Sid, via updating apps when I need a new feature or bug fix in one of my production apps, then it's not hard. FWIW, long before I switch to Sid, I tried to dist-upgrade an Ubuntu installation once. It completely hosed the system. That was on a throwaway box, so I didn't have a system image to restore. I still think dist-upgrading an Ubuntu is a risky proposition. -- David gn...@ha... authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ |
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From: jimmy <wg...@ya...> - 2012-08-30 00:06:13
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--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John <wil...@co...> wrote: > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, > but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer > to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs > work. Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at all, pay for Windows, or OSX apps for everything you want to use, Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out there. > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to > the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make > programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to > smell the roses. > > John Sure people can chose what they want do to. There are plenty of people who couldn't and wouldn't learn how to program the clock on a Microwave, or VCR. No big deals. Jimmy |
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From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2012-08-30 11:44:44
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On 08/29/2012 08:06 PM, jimmy wrote: > Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the well polished > professional apps out there. The hell of it is that I was at a point a few years ago when I was more than willing to shell out some cash for Finale or Sibelius or something, something professional, something real. I did some experiments with Rosegarden vs. Everything Else, including MusE Score and a few other random things. What sucks is that Rosegarden won hands down for taking some random MIDI file and generating something approaching usable notation from it. Hands down. None of the rest of them could remotely compare, and they all made a complete ruin of my test. If it hadn't been for that, I'd have been free of this thing years ago. Unfortunately, that's something I actually do (or did, when I still had free time for music) with considerable frequency, and something Rosegarden does particularly well. It sucks. Continuing to slog it out with this thing really isn't all that pointless, it turns out. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
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From: Holger M. <ho...@ma...> - 2012-08-31 04:38:33
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, jimmy wrote: > > > --- On Wed, 8/29/12, John <wil...@co...> wrote: > > > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, > > but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer > > to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs > > work. > Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at all, pay for Windows, > or OSX apps for everything you want to use, Rosegarden, Lilypond > probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out > there. Yes, they are shiny and want to sell you "creativity". You push a button and a guitarist plays his licks, you push another button and a drummer creates a drum fill automagically. But don't ever think that ... - there are no problems. Windows users fight with latencies and limitations as well, only in another way. - they make your songs better. I know people who play with this shiny stuff but never get any song finished. It's a big difference freaking out about perfect piano- or drumset-samples or an even-still-better reverb and putting this all together to a piece of own music. Yes, I am angry when rosegarden crashes or doesn't allow me to put the whole track 19 milliseconds to the front, or that the LADSPA plugins' gui doesn't reflect the knobs' settings. But this doesn't stop me making music. |
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From: jimmy <wg...@ya...> - 2012-08-30 00:37:33
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--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John <wil...@co...> wrote: > A number of writer to this thread made reference to their > recently discovered new distro (whatever !) that is not > suffering from any of the known illnesses. I can assure them > that they are living in a dream world. The next update will > bring them back to reality. Stick with a commonly used distro, and learn how to use it properly. Distro hopping are like fashion followers, there are always new hats, new ties, new eye glasses, new dresses, new shoes, new cell phones... But of course, for newbies who haven't chosen a Linux distro yet, some recommendations are not such a bad idea, either, especially the newbies in the Linux MIDI arena. My use of Linux and Open Source apps are because I simply don't want to agree to draconian terms of the EULA (End User's License Agreements), and having to jump through all the hoops to back up and restore my computer, and associated applications. I want to install, copy, backup my OS and softwares on to different computers of my choice, when I do my hardware upgrades. Or having a "working spare" system in place, so when my main computer has a problem, I can fairly quickly get my work done without interruption. And I don't want to pay double, triple, quadruple the licensing fees, just because I have a few some older computers sitting around. Some people don't even bother to read EULA, nor care to understand those legal terms, but most of them don't even allow the OS, or applications to be copied on to a "running" (operarting) computer so that such softwares can be readily run. Worse than that, many proprietary applications have their own data format. Years down the road, when I need to read such data files, those apps may not be installable, or runnable on my latest computer(s), and the older computers or hard drives may have died long before that. With most Open Source softwares, the data file format can be read and data be extracted or converted much more readily. Jimmy |
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From: Ahmet Ö. <bi...@gm...> - 2012-08-30 04:24:59
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> I prefer to pay in real money >and not by time spent to make programs work. This is your decision but do not forget that freedom comes at a price. It can be paid by actively coding (whole apps or just patches), or by investing some time for making things work, or many other ways. You may choose not to pay this price or think that you cannot afford it. But please, oh please refrain from blaming developers for it. Developers work to the best of their abilities without usually being paid at all and when their efforts fall short in some fronts against some major companies' products, they are the ones to pay yet another price by answering endless unfair accusations of the "community". Yes, for the present we may spend our resources as we like. But, if we don't do it carefully, who can guarantee that our digital life won't be governed by corporate entities in the future? That is the real bleak future. By the way, I enjoy using Gnome 3 more than anything I tried since Win95. Ahmet |
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From: Jonathan H. <jh...@gm...> - 2012-08-30 14:25:37
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Thanks Ahmet. This prompts me to write as an appreciative user. It is so much easier to write about what is irritating than what is pleasing, but what is pleasing is worth as much ink. I am solidly on the recipient end of the spectrum. I am a mechanical engineer with as little knowledge of coding as I can get away with. So I can't even say that I feel guilty for not contributing expertise, I have none to offer. But I do use Rosegarden in my work. It is an valuable tool for what I do. I made as big a $$ contribution to the project as I have made to any FOSS project and I still spent a fraction of what a commercial program would have cost. I spent a year waffling back and forth between Rosegarden and Cakewalk before figuring out how to do everything I wanted on RG and giving up on Cakewalk. If RG had cost $500 I would never have had that year to tinker with it before committing to it, the 30 day trial would have expired and I would be left needing to spend a lot of money on a program I was not yet certain about. This is a side issue to the whole OS debate (I use XFCE on Ubuntu Studio. It works well and I am glad to sidestep the whole Unity/ Gnome3 debacle) but it does speak to the advantages of working in the FOSS environment. Thanks to everyone who works on the software I use. I may abandon Ubuntu at some point but I will be sticking with Linux for good. Jonathan Herz www.herzmusicbox.com On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 07:24 +0300, Ahmet Öztürk wrote: > > > I prefer to pay in real money > >and not by time spent to make programs work. > > This is your decision but do not forget that freedom comes at a price. It can be paid by actively coding (whole apps or just patches), or by investing some time for making things work, or many other ways. You may choose not to pay this price or think that you cannot afford it. But please, oh please refrain from blaming developers for it. Developers work to the best of their abilities without usually being paid at all and when their efforts fall short in some fronts against some major companies' products, they are the ones to pay yet another price by answering endless unfair accusations of the "community". > > Ahmet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user |
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From: D. M. M. <ros...@gm...> - 2012-08-30 10:24:31
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On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:14:30 PM Chris Cannam wrote: > I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this > one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a > gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either. > So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to > relish the good things about it. I'm stuck with the one operating system because it's marginally less unpleasant to deal with and/or more fun to use than everything else, I guess. I'm just so used to all of this by now. I've used Linux longer than I used any other operating system. I still love the idea of it, but I'm really tired of the terrible implementation. It's nothing a few million dollars couldn't fix. Maybe I'll win the lottery. -- D. Michael McIntyre |
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