From: Mark K. <mk...@co...> - 2004-06-08 21:24:24
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Hi, I've noticed that if I'm in the notation editor with the MIDI Velocity ruler visible and I enter and remove notes, some of which happen to be triplets, that the velocity rules gets messed up in some fairly repeatable ways. One is that the measure could have 3 quarter notes and a rest, but the velocity ruler shows 3 velocity events that take up the whole measure. When I then add a 4th quarter note the velocity for the new note gets written over the top of the 3rd notes velocity event. Anyway, I'm not sure how much attention should be paid to this. Do you want me to take the time to enter a real bug report? I like the way the colors change as you modify the velocity. Sexy. I guess things like stacatto and accent marks are intended to have *no* effect on the MIDI that's generated? Adding stacatto to a note doesn't do anything to the velocity -width-. Just an observation. Cheers, Mark |
From: Ketil T. <lin...@ry...> - 2004-06-09 06:48:09
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Hi list I've been lurking on different lists for quite some time and - as som many others, have been reluctant to move the last bit of my computing from windows to linux: Music... But now I'm finally trying and have by the help og THAC's rpms and my favourite distribution, mandrake, to do some easy arranging with rosegarden and qsynth. This works out fine, but I can's seem to find out how to insert double stafflines between different parts of the song. Another thing is making a header how do I do that, and finally drum-clefs - is that possible? Great to be going! Thanks Best regards Ketil Thorgersen |
From: Silvan <dmm...@us...> - 2004-06-09 06:59:05
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On Wednesday 09 June 2004 02:47 am, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > some easy arranging with rosegarden and qsynth. This works out fine, but > I can's seem to find out how to insert double stafflines between > different parts of the song. It isn't currently possible, and probably won't be until after version 1.0, which is expected to release some time this year. > Another thing is making a header how do I > do that, In the version you have it will be under Edit -> Edit Document Properties. Headers are properties. The interface for creating them is functional, but a bit clunky. These are currently only really useful if you're exporting to Lilypond, which can translate some of them into Lilypond headers for you. You can't currently make use of them in any meaningful way from within the notation editor itself, though I'd certainly like to see that change eventually. > and finally drum-clefs - is that possible? No. There has been some discussion on this topic, and some interesting ideas have been kicked around, but I'm not aware that anyone has any current plans to implement such a feature. That doesn't mean it will never happen, but it's not likely to happen in the near term. I dare say probably not until after 1.0. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <dmm...@us...> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
From: Ketil T. <lin...@ry...> - 2004-06-09 07:29:42
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Incredible speed of answering! WAO! Thanks! >>some easy arranging with rosegarden and qsynth. This works out fine, but >>I can's seem to find out how to insert double stafflines between >>different parts of the song. >> >> > >It isn't currently possible, and probably won't be until after version 1.0, >which is expected to release some time this year. > > Hmm - a pity, but I suppose it can be done fairly easily in lilypond - if I only get around to learning that. I write my thesis in latex, so I suppose it should be understandable. I tried to import an exported lilypond-file it into denemo, but it crashed denemo. Is there a good editor for lilpond files somewhere (I have never had the stomach to learn emacs..) >>Another thing is making a header how do I >>do that, >> >> > >In the version you have it will be under Edit -> Edit Document Properties. > > Thanks! I'll see how that turns out. >and finally drum-clefs - is that possible? > > > >No. There has been some discussion on this topic, and some interesting ideas >have been kicked around, but I'm not aware that anyone has any current plans >to implement such a feature. That doesn't mean it will never happen, but >it's not likely to happen in the near term. I dare say probably not until >after 1.0. > > Hm - another pity - guess I'll have to fix that in the mix to then:-) From here on I'll consider rosegarden my mixer and lilypond my mastering environment. Ketil |
From: Silvan <dmm...@us...> - 2004-06-10 01:24:20
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On Wednesday 09 June 2004 03:29 am, Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > Incredible speed of answering! WAO! Thanks! You just got lucky. :) > >It isn't currently possible, and probably won't be until after version > > 1.0, which is expected to release some time this year. > > Hmm - a pity, but I suppose it can be done fairly easily in lilypond - > if I only get around to learning that. I write my thesis in latex, so I > suppose it should be understandable. I tried to import an exported > lilypond-file it into denemo, but it crashed denemo. Is there a good > editor for lilpond files somewhere (I have never had the stomach to > learn emacs..) Dunno. I use vim for editing lilypond stuff. Truthfully, even though I added a number of new features to the export and worked hard at squashing some of the worst bugs, I hardly ever use Lilypond for anything. I'm very, very far from being a Lilypond expert. > Hm - another pity - guess I'll have to fix that in the mix to then:-) > From here on I'll consider rosegarden my mixer and lilypond my > mastering environment. Let us know how you get on with that. I know there are still myriad Lilypond export bugs lurking, waiting to be discovered. I don't think anyone has ever actually *used* the feature for real work, so it hasn't seen much field testing. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <dmm...@us...> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
From: William <ros...@li...> - 2004-06-10 10:03:57
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Silvan wrote: > Ketil Thorgersen wrote: > >> I can's seem to find out how to insert double stafflines between >> different parts of the song. > > It isn't currently possible, and probably won't be until after version 1.0, > which is expected to release some time this year. It is possible at least to simulate double staff-lines in the notation editor. If you split a segment (Track editor -> Segments -> Split or Join -> Split on Silence) at a rest in the meaasure (a.k.a. bar) where you want the double staff-lines, thus creating two adjacent segments on the same track, select the pair of adjacent segments and open them in the notation editor, you will see what looks like double staff-lines at the segment junction. William |
From: Mark K. <mk...@co...> - 2004-07-19 14:31:35
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Hi, I sent this email about 5-6 weeks ago. It's just been hanging around in my Rosegarden folder. Was there any verification of this happening on other machines? (First paragraph only.) I don't remember seeing a response. If there's no interest I'll just delete the email. Take care, Mark Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I've noticed that if I'm in the notation editor with the MIDI > Velocity ruler visible and I enter and remove notes, some of which > happen to be triplets, that the velocity rules gets messed up in some > fairly repeatable ways. One is that the measure could have 3 quarter > notes and a rest, but the velocity ruler shows 3 velocity events that > take up the whole measure. When I then add a 4th quarter note the > velocity for the new note gets written over the top of the 3rd notes > velocity event. > > Anyway, I'm not sure how much attention should be paid to this. Do > you want me to take the time to enter a real bug report? > > I like the way the colors change as you modify the velocity. Sexy. > > I guess things like stacatto and accent marks are intended to have > *no* effect on the MIDI that's generated? Adding stacatto to a note > doesn't do anything to the velocity -width-. Just an observation. > > Cheers, > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: GNOME Foundation > Hackers Unite! GUADEC: The world's #1 Open Source Desktop Event. > GNOME Users and Developers European Conference, 28-30th June in Norway > http://2004/guadec.org > _______________________________________________ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Ros...@li... - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > > |
From: William <ros...@li...> - 2004-07-19 21:52:32
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Mark Knecht wrote: > > I sent this email about 5-6 weeks ago. It's just been hanging around > in my Rosegarden folder. Was there any verification of this happening on > other machines? (First paragraph only.) I don't remember seeing a response. I haven't managed to replicate your problem because RG crashes when I use the rulers. In general the rulers are not working very well at the moment; there are actually several bug reports open for them. William |
From: Silvan <dmm...@us...> - 2004-07-20 07:20:26
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On Monday 19 July 2004 10:31 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I sent this email about 5-6 weeks ago. It's just been hanging around > in my Rosegarden folder. Was there any verification of this happening on > other machines? (First paragraph only.) I don't remember seeing a response. I either missed it or wasn't paying attention. > > Velocity ruler visible and I enter and remove notes, some of which > > happen to be triplets, that the velocity rules gets messed up in some > > fairly repeatable ways. One is that the measure could have 3 quarter > > notes and a rest, but the velocity ruler shows 3 velocity events that > > take up the whole measure. When I then add a 4th quarter note the > > velocity for the new note gets written over the top of the 3rd notes > > velocity event. I had a quick play with that, and I don't see anything critically wrong with it. I wound up with a situation where the bits on the ruler didn't quite line up with the notes on the staff, but nothing was covering anything, and nothing was inaccessible. It's probably worth a bug report even at what I'm seeing now, but I'd be especially interested if you can come up with a precise method for getting it to really break in an ugly way. I've taken some other ruler bugs to look at already, though so far I haven't found time to actually look at them yet. > > I guess things like stacatto and accent marks are intended to have > > *no* effect on the MIDI that's generated? Adding stacatto to a note > > doesn't do anything to the velocity -width-. Just an observation. Make a selection, then Adjust -> Notes -> Interpret Interpretations aren't applied on the fly. Perhaps they will be eventually. I'm not sure what Chris has in mind for that. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <dmm...@us...> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2004-07-20 12:16:09
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On Tuesday 20 Jul 2004 8:20 am, Silvan wrote: > On Monday 19 July 2004 10:31 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I guess things like stacatto and accent marks are intended > > > to have *no* effect on the MIDI that's generated? > > Make a selection, then Adjust -> Notes -> Interpret > > Interpretations aren't applied on the fly. Perhaps they will be > eventually. I'm not sure what Chris has in mind for that. The reason they aren't applied automatically is simply that because this is a MIDI sequencer, you could have already added any amount of MIDI data to describe how you want something played, and Rosegarden shouldn't mess with that unless you ask it to. We could probably do with quicker ways to apply interpretations (especially to multiple staffs) at least though. Chris |
From: William <ros...@li...> - 2004-07-20 15:27:55
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Chris Cannam wrote: > Silvan wrote: >> >> Interpretations aren't applied on the fly. Perhaps they will be >> eventually. I'm not sure what Chris has in mind for that. > > The reason they aren't applied automatically is simply that because > this is a MIDI sequencer, you could have already added any amount of > MIDI data to describe how you want something played, and Rosegarden > shouldn't mess with that unless you ask it to. We could probably do > with quicker ways to apply interpretations (especially to multiple > staffs) at least though. Silvan, it's actually very useful to be able to have, as Rosegarden does, two semi-independent layers of musical data -- the MIDI data and the score -- with a weak bidirectional coupling between them. It is because of this that you can import a live MIDI recording into RG keeping the natural ebb and flow of a human player's tempo and dynamics while also having the precision of quantized notation on the score. It would be impossible to do this if there were a universal automatic connection between the elements of a RG score and the corresponding MIDI data. When you get a chance to work on the notation chapter of your tutorial, it might be worth covering this topic in more detail. William |
From: Silvan <dmm...@us...> - 2004-07-20 16:10:13
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On Tuesday 20 July 2004 08:44 am, Chris Cannam wrote: > > Interpretations aren't applied on the fly. Perhaps they will be > > eventually. I'm not sure what Chris has in mind for that. > > The reason they aren't applied automatically is simply that because > this is a MIDI sequencer, you could have already added any amount of > MIDI data to describe how you want something played, and Rosegarden > shouldn't mess with that unless you ask it to. We could probably do > with quicker ways to apply interpretations (especially to multiple > staffs) at least though. I don't disagree with that. I was just thinking it might not be unreasonable to apply interpretations to newly-created notes in the notation editor. Of course, if I import or play something and then stick a mark on one of the notes, maybe I'm just describing what already is. There are ways around that, maybe, but leaving interpretations strictly under user control probably is indeed the sanest approach. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <dmm...@us...> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |