Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Musix-usuarios] Repeticiones en Rosegarden

[Marcos Guglielmetti <marcospcmusica@gm...>]

Hi Suso, I see that nobody knows about it here, I am sending this 
question to rosegarden-user@..., there are spanish 
speaking users and developers there.


El Miércoles, 27 de Febrero de 2008 09:15, Suso Comesaña escribió:
 | Hola...
 | Estoy trabajando con el tema de las partituras...hasta ahora va la
 | cosa bastante bien, sobre todo con la implementación de
 | lilypond...( lo único, es que para que exporte...tengo que
 | escribir en consola lilypond...y a patir de ahí..."nema
 | problema"...)Genial... Eso si...¿Hay alguna forma de poner
 | repeticiones....(corchetes)...?...lo ideal es en rosegarden...o
 | Lilypond... Gracias y Salut!!!
 |
 | Suso Comesaña.
 | Peatón.
 | http://www.movemento.tk

Veo que nadie ha sabido responderlo. Envío a 
rosegarden-user@..., donde hay desarrolladores y 
usuarios que hablan español.

Is there a way to add repetitions into a Rosegarden score?



Thanks

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] forum (again)?

[Morgan <wojmarek@gm...>]

I manage a different forum with Vanilla. It's fast, it's small and
clean, easy to install and you can download a ton of add-ons so it's
very customizable.

http://getvanilla.com/

I highly recommend it. Also, this Rosegarden list is on nabble.com, so
it sort of functions as a forum already.


On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 21:51 -1000, david wrote:

> Haig Dedeyan wrote:
> > On February 28, 2008 07:50:34 pm Kevin Miller wrote:
> >> John Tomlinson wrote:
> >>>> Would we like a users forum on rosegardenmusic.com?
> >>> I think overall I would prefer a forum rather than a mailing list.
> >> Not me - I've always found them slower and clunky. 
> >>
> >> ...Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > This would depend on how the server is setup & what forum package is used. 
> > I've setup  plenty of phpBB forums where the total user count passed 65k and 
> > total posts were way over 100k and the search engine would average about 12 
> > seconds.
> 
> If Kevin is thinking like me, he's referring to the browser-based UI as 
> slow and clunky - not the search engine.
> 
> A good search engine interface to email archives would remove any need 
> for a forum.
> 
> > Also, with the new phpBB3, there is now a subscirbe option where a user can 
> > subscribe to any forum and get an email notification for each new post that 
> > goes up. If users don't want to subscribe, they still get an email 
> > notification on their own posts.
> 
> Why would I want an email notification of a post - why not just *send me 
> the post*?!! With the silly notification, you still have to go off to 
> the forum to read the post.
> 
> Forums - icky.
> 

Re: [Rosegarden-user] forum (again)?

[david <gnome@ha...>]

Haig Dedeyan wrote:
> On February 28, 2008 07:50:34 pm Kevin Miller wrote:
>> John Tomlinson wrote:
>>>> Would we like a users forum on rosegardenmusic.com?
>>> I think overall I would prefer a forum rather than a mailing list.
>> Not me - I've always found them slower and clunky. 
>>
>> ...Kevin
> 
> 
> This would depend on how the server is setup & what forum package is used. 
> I've setup  plenty of phpBB forums where the total user count passed 65k and 
> total posts were way over 100k and the search engine would average about 12 
> seconds.

If Kevin is thinking like me, he's referring to the browser-based UI as 
slow and clunky - not the search engine.

A good search engine interface to email archives would remove any need 
for a forum.

> Also, with the new phpBB3, there is now a subscirbe option where a user can 
> subscribe to any forum and get an email notification for each new post that 
> goes up. If users don't want to subscribe, they still get an email 
> notification on their own posts.

Why would I want an email notification of a post - why not just *send me 
the post*?!! With the silly notification, you still have to go off to 
the forum to read the post.

Forums - icky.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] forum (again)?

[Haig Dedeyan <hdedeyan@vi...>]

On February 28, 2008 07:50:34 pm Kevin Miller wrote:
> John Tomlinson wrote:
> >> Would we like a users forum on rosegardenmusic.com?
> >
> > I think overall I would prefer a forum rather than a mailing list.
>
> Not me - I've always found them slower and clunky. 
>
> ...Kevin


This would depend on how the server is setup & what forum package is used. 
I've setup  plenty of phpBB forums where the total user count passed 65k and 
total posts were way over 100k and the search engine would average about 12 
seconds.

Also, with the new phpBB3, there is now a subscirbe option where a user can 
subscribe to any forum and get an email notification for each new post that 
goes up. If users don't want to subscribe, they still get an email 
notification on their own posts.

Haig

Re: [Rosegarden-user] forum (again)?

[Kevin Miller <atftb2@al...>]

John Tomlinson wrote:

>> Would we like a users forum on rosegardenmusic.com?
> 
> I think overall I would prefer a forum rather than a mailing list.

Not me - I've always found them slower and clunky.  Email is straight 
forward.  By setting a few simple rules it can be automatically directed 
into specific folders, or deleted en masse if a thread isn't interesting 
to you, etc.  I wouldn't care if there was a forum too, if it was 
configured to do email as well.  Google groups work like that - you can 
get email from them or you can go to the web and see it more like a forum...

...Kevin
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] forum (again)?

[D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@ro...>]

On Tuesday 26 February 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> So I'd rather pass, I think.

I'd prefer to pass, but I've gotten some traffic off-list in addition to the 
support voiced here.  It's not anything I'm terribly enthused about, but I'd 
be willing to participate in a trial.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks for the notation!

[D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@ro...>]

On Thursday 28 February 2008, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

> I have just finished notating a (to me) fairly complex piece of piano music
> form my son, and the task was actually very enjoyable

It's nice to hear that.

> To switch the default square bracket joining staves to a brace (eg for
> piano music), find

In addition to grace notes being fixed, the SVN development version also 
includes support for exporting nested braces to LilyPond.

> To override Lilypond's annoying use of c for 4/4, enter
> 	\override Staff.TimeSignature #'style = #'()

If you file a bug report to remind me, we should be able to fix this.  I 
didn't catch this one in my most recent example, because it was actually 
supposed to be cut common time.  I see now that LilyPond always uses common 
or cut common, no matter what we do, and I'd consider that a bug.

> To insert a double bar line, enter

This has been around since 2006, I think.  Use the Text tool in the notation 
editor, and find the "LilyPond Directive" type, and use the one called "||->"

Not very intuitive, admittedly.

> To add markup (eg musical directions), enter

I'm not sure what if anything has become of this, but someone was working on 
an idea to make it possible to put LilyPond markups into markers, and have 
them exported.  It might not be finished yet.

> Lilypond doesn't recognise dynamics (p, f, etc) other than the common ones,
> so to use fp, for instance, you have to use a markup tag.

We don't export text of type Text::Dynamic unless it's on LilyPond's list, but 
we should probably automate this process by exporting the dynamic as a markup 
if it isn't on this list.  Maybe we already do.  I'm not sure.  The Beethoven 
thing I just worked on has lots of non-standard dynamics, and I should (note 
to self) try one of them and make it possible to export correctly.

> To give a metronome marking, enter:
> 	^\markup { \tiny \note #"4" #0.7 "= 85" }

We do have the possibility to export tempo marks automatically now, though I 
personally never turn this feature on.

> To add a segno (S with a stroke through it and a dot on either side), or
> coda (circle with cross through it) enter:

The Text tool again, LilyPond Directive "Segno."  (This specific case is 
already on my short but growing list of things I have immediate plans to talk 
about in the new "Rosegarden Notation Challenge."  Nobody has done much with 
the feature I introduced two years ago, because it's pretty hacky, and not 
very obvious. But it does make stuff possible!  Also has coda, and first and 
second alternate endings markers.)

> To stack directions, use
> 	\column { legato passionate }
> This will print "legato" above "passionate", with both left-aligned.  See
> 8.1.4 of the manual for other options (eg centre-alignment).

Not sure I understand what this one is all about.

> I wonder if it might be possible in the export to put all the RG directions
> into a markup tag, so that they appear without having to edit the .ly file?

I don't quite understand what you mean by "directions."  If you can find a 
specific thing that isn't exported, please report it and accompany it with a 
brief example.  We've made a lot of progress toward getting everything 
Rosegarden can do to export, and we are very interested in any remaining 
omissions.

> but in fact I had no problems with this.  My problems were with the key
> signatures, which were printed even though they were made invisible in RG.

They shouldn't be.  I haven't finished rewriting the tutorial to adjust to the 
round of annoying bugs Chris fixed, so I haven't made it back to that point 
yet.  I'll be sure to investigate this.  It's definitely not supposed to work 
that way, but I've been noticing the edge of some vague and elusive problem 
with invisibility not being persistent.  Maybe this is related.

> The code in the export:
> \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'break-visibility = #(vector #f #f #f)
> \time 4/4
> didn't seem to have any effect whether present or absent,

That's supposed to make the time signature invisible?  That one shouldn't come 
up very often anymore, I wouldn't expect.  The only remaining use I can dream 
up for an invisible time signature is to do a cadenza.  Which is on my short 
list.  I just haven't run across a suitable source for a cadenza passage yet.

> So job accomplished, all thanks to the RG team!

Hopefully next time you can get there with less LilyPond hacking.  That's our 
goal.  My goal especially.  I never, ever want to have to hand edit a .ly 
file except when I'm fixing an export bug.  It's a good thing for Rosegarden 
I'm that obstinate, or I would have given up and just started hand coding 
LilyPond years ago.  It would be so much easier and quicker if only I would 
learn how to do it, but Rosegarden had better hope I never do.  :)

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