From: Richard B. <bo...@bo...> - 2002-06-28 09:11:25
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The spirit of European committee meetings summed up neatly in one handy package. Some interesting points, _lots_ to go over and a lot of fluff. One highlight from the DeMuDi pdf - "ALSA will be the preferred choice for DeMuDi". I'll certainly take that to tonight's KDE/aRts Multimedia IRC meeting. DeMuDi is also suitably vague on the audio side - JACK, ARTs (note their incorrect capitilisation meaning lack of familiarity to me) and ALSA all getting a mention. They seem to be going for Ardour with JACK as an audio platform not surprisngly. You'll be pleased to know we make it into the "definite" MIDI sequencer section with MuSE and JAZZ++ - although they don't say which version of us yet. Anthem, Brahms and Softwerk are all in the "likely" section currently. The ReMuDi specs are much less developed so far - much shorter - but they seem to plump for ALSA and JACK too but appear to be waiting for what the developers go for - just sounds like an excuse as to why they didn't finish their homework if you ask me. All good stuff I s'pose but as with the first few minuted comments how do they stop companies such as Debian and RedHat just re-using AGNULA's EU funded work for free? Simple answer is they don't. I'm confused by the whole thrust of it but at least it's nice seeing a discussion at least. B ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Agnula-Announce] first batch of deliverables Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:49:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Giosmin <ni...@ce...> To: ann...@ag... Dear Sirs, The AGNULA staff committed the first group of deliverables to the European Commission, on the 24/06/02. You can find them in the AGNULA site, at the following address: http://www.agnula.org/project/deliverables Best Regards The AGNULA staff _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Ann...@ag... http://lists.agnula.org/listinfo/announce ------------------------------------------------------- |
From: Enrique R. A. <ero...@iu...> - 2002-06-28 09:46:56
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:12:52AM +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > All good stuff I s'pose but as with the first few minuted comments > how do they stop companies such as Debian and RedHat just re-using > AGNULA's EU funded work for free? Simple answer is they don't. Simple answer: Debian is not a company, is a volunteer project. in fact, Agnula will be taking a lot of work from Debian (remember that DeMuDi was a debian-based distribution). And regarding RedHat, simple answer too: the company (RedHat Europe) is one of the participants in the AGNULA project. Of course they will be re-using the funded work. Most EU funded projects have comercial companies among their participants (same thing in USA, I guess). Regards, Enrique. |
From: Chris C. <ca...@al...> - 2002-06-28 09:56:56
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Enrique Robledo Arnuncio wrote: > And regarding RedHat, simple answer too: the company (RedHat Europe) > is one of the participants in the AGNULA project. Of course they will > be re-using the funded work. I think the debate was about whether RedHat have the right to augment it with non-free software, and it pretty much boiled down to a trademark issue. For some reason the transcript refers extensively to "patenting" trademarks, which I guess just means registering them. Chris |
From: Richard B. <bo...@bo...> - 2002-06-28 09:58:56
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Enrique Robledo Arnuncio wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 10:12:52AM +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > > All good stuff I s'pose but as with the first few minuted comments > > how do they stop companies such as Debian and RedHat just re-using > > AGNULA's EU funded work for free? Simple answer is they don't. > > Simple answer: Debian is not a company, is a volunteer project. in > fact, Agnula will be taking a lot of work from Debian (remember that > DeMuDi was a debian-based distribution). > > And regarding RedHat, simple answer too: the company (RedHat Europe) > is one of the participants in the AGNULA project. Of course they will > be re-using the funded work. Most EU funded projects have comercial > companies among their participants (same thing in USA, I guess). Ok then, so how can we as struggling European programmers get our hands on some of this European cash to aid not only our development but the development of the AGNULA project as a whole? Is this funding purely for the administrative side of things? B |
From: Enrique R. A. <ero...@iu...> - 2002-06-28 11:34:00
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 11:00:20AM +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > Ok then, so how can we as struggling European programmers get our hands > on some of this European cash to aid not only our development but the > development of the AGNULA project as a whole? Is this funding purely > for the administrative side of things? (Personal opinions/views below). There is being a quite big development effort arround the AGNULA project. Some of the participants are contributing code: music applications, audio/music development libraries, etc. And there is of course the administrativia part. All the funding in the project goes, as far as I know, to the official projects participants. As you can see, three of those are university research groups in the music technology field. And there is RedHat. So the most evident way I see to be (indirectly) funded by the AGNULA project is getting hired by one of these institutions to do AGNULA related work. Enrique. |