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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 14:05:56
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Hi, First post here. I took a quick look at the archives and at the FAQ, but didn't see an answer to this question. I am not a KDE user and no KDE stuff seems to be installed on either of my RH 7.3 systems. What exactly do I need to install to get Rosegarden to compile? The ./configure stage is failing due to missing KDE stuff. Is there an RPM for the correct KDE stuff? If so, what's the name? This is from rpmfind.net. Does it look right to you guys? kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.html <http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/redhat/7.3/i386/kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.html>; Integrated Development Environment for C++/C RedHat-7.3 for i386 kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.rpm <ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/7.3/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/kdevelop-2.1-2.i3 86.rpm> I'm not clear if this is KDE 2 or KDE 3. (Looks like 2 to me...) Thanks in advance, Mark |
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From: Guillaume Laurent <glaurent@te...> - 2002-10-21 14:17:16
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(note : your alias is not quite correct, you posted to rg-devel instead of= =20 rg-user). On Monday 21 October 2002 16:01, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I am not a KDE user and no KDE stuff seems to be installed on either of > my RH 7.3 systems. What exactly do I need to install to get Rosegarden to > compile? arts and kdelibs if you're aiming at KDE 3 (recommended), kdelibs and=20 kdemultimedia for KDE 2. I don't know what the RedHat RPM names are, though= =2E=20 Don't forget to get the -devel ones. > This is from rpmfind.net. Does it look right to you guys? > > kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.html Er, this is kdevelop, an IDE, which we have nothing to do with (except that= =20 originally the RG code is from a KDevelop template). =2D-=20 Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 14:31:08
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Guillaume, Hi. Thanks for the response. Do I want arts or alsa? Alsa/jack/alsaplayer/ardour/freqtweak/muse are already running on my machine. Since I have no KDE stuff (apparently since your configure script fails) I might as well go for KDE3 I think. Does this look more correct? kdelibs-3.0.0-10.i386.html K Desktop Environment - Libraries RedHat-7.3 for i386 kdelibs-3.0.0-10.i386.rpm Just trying to be careful about what I download and install before I get started and mess things up/waste time. Thanks for your help. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Guillaume Laurent Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:17 AM To: rosegarden-devel@... Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE (note : your alias is not quite correct, you posted to rg-devel instead of rg-user). On Monday 21 October 2002 16:01, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I am not a KDE user and no KDE stuff seems to be installed on either of > my RH 7.3 systems. What exactly do I need to install to get Rosegarden to > compile? arts and kdelibs if you're aiming at KDE 3 (recommended), kdelibs and kdemultimedia for KDE 2. I don't know what the RedHat RPM names are, though. Don't forget to get the -devel ones. > This is from rpmfind.net. Does it look right to you guys? > > kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.html Er, this is kdevelop, an IDE, which we have nothing to do with (except that originally the RG code is from a KDevelop template). -- Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list Rosegarden-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel |
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From: Guillaume Laurent <glaurent@te...> - 2002-10-21 14:40:00
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On Monday 21 October 2002 16:27, Mark Knecht wrote: > Guillaume, > Hi. Thanks for the response. Do I want arts or alsa? > Alsa/jack/alsaplayer/ardour/freqtweak/muse are already running on my > machine. If you have alsa 0.9, then great. > Since I have no KDE stuff (apparently since your configure script fail= s) > I might as well go for KDE3 I think. Does this look more correct? Quite. You'll still need kdelibs-devel, arts, and arts-devel. > Thanks for your help. You're welcome. =2D-=20 Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org |
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From: Chris Cannam <cannam@al...> - 2002-10-21 14:25:34
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Mark Knecht wrote: > First post here. I took a quick look at the archives and at the FAQ, but > didn't see an answer to this question. There is a FAQ at http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/faq.html entitled "I'm using RedHat 7.3, what packages do I need?" (It's not in the faq.txt distributed with 0.8 though -- we added it more recently than that.) To summarise, all the packages you need, with the exception of some of the audio stuff (ALSA-0.9, JACK and LADSPA), should be available on the original RedHat distribution CDs. They are (we think -- with the caveat that none of us owns a copy of RedHat in order to check) qt, kdelibs, kdemultimedia, arts, and any packages with these names plus "-dev". And if you see both version 2 and version 3 packages, go for version 3 throughout. The big audio requirement to make the best use of Rosegarden-4 is ALSA 0.9, which RedHat do not supply. You need to get that from http://www.alsa-project.org/, and perhaps drop RedHat a line to ask when they're going to bother including this standard Linux audio component that's so essential to run practically any modern Linux audio software. (sorry, this one gets my goat.) Without ALSA you can still make some noise using aRts, which is on the RedHat CD, but it's not as good and we'd always recommend building Rosegarden with ALSA support instead by choice. > kdevelop-2.1-2.i386.html kdevelop is not something you need -- it's a development environment for developers only. As I say, you should find all the right kde packages on the original distribution. (btw, I notice your email is addressed to the "Rosegarden Users" list, but this is actually rosegarden-devel, not rosegarden-user. Doesn't really matter, but...) Chris |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 14:42:38
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Chris & Guillaume, Duh...sorry! The FAQ section listed below was apparently not visible to my eyes here in California at 6:45AM. I'll work on trying to follow those instructions and your extra info in this email. I understand your frustration with RH, but I just use PlanetCCRMA to get alsa and most other stuff installed and off I go. The only problems that crop up is it takes a few days before Fernando might set up a new version when alsa/jack rolls, but he's so fast it works well for me. Right now the Planet does not have a Rosegarden apt-get script, so I thought I'd try it myself. The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I mislabeled, but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for just plain users like me?' Last question (for now)... Does Rosegarden have the capability to chase transport commands issued over MIDI? I'm looking for an outboard MIDI sequencer so that I can dump my Pro Tools MIDI stuff. If not, could it? Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cannam [mailto:cannam@...] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:24 AM To: Mark Knecht Cc: Rosegarden-Users (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE Mark Knecht wrote: > First post here. I took a quick look at the archives and at the FAQ, but > didn't see an answer to this question. There is a FAQ at http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/faq.html entitled "I'm using RedHat 7.3, what packages do I need?" |
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From: Richard Bown <bownie@bo...> - 2002-10-21 14:49:54
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On Monday 21 October 2002 15:38, Mark Knecht wrote: > The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I > mislabeled, but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for > just plain users like me?' Yep, it's called rosegarden-users. Check out our homepage for instructions on subscribing. > Last question (for now)... Does Rosegarden have the capability to > chase transport commands issued over MIDI? I'm looking for an > outboard MIDI sequencer so that I can dump my Pro Tools MIDI stuff. > If not, could it? When you say chase - do you mean record? We don't do a lot of particualtly specific MIDI stuff at the moment but the infrastructure is all there ready to handle feature requests such as these. If you can be a bit more specific then perhaps we can tell you how much effort it'd take to support it. B |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 16:14:28
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Richard et. all, Hey, thanks for all the info so far. I'll have a bunch of questions over the next few hours and days, I'm sure, but for now I'll go work on getting all of these RPM's downloaded and Rosegarden built. As for me, I'm on a low-level mission to recast my home recording studio into a Linux mold and away from M$. I'm a Pro Tools user for the last couple of years, mostly into composition, and I'm looking towards 96KHz conversion for the audio side of what I'm doing. I've decided not to pay DigiDesign anything for future revs of Pro Tools and am not interested in their closed environments. As for my needs, here's the way I see it. 'Chasing' is sort of a standard recording studio term that's used to designate devices (MIDI or tape usually) working together from one set of 'transport controls'. The 'transport' (in a studio, not networking or programming) meaning the master unit with the play, record, fast forward, rewind controls. (You may know all this, but it's good info for anyone who doesn't.) In Pro Tools we have a transport that can send transport commands out over the MIDI bus and other devices can follow along. This allows us to start and stop playback from multiple devices, like external sequencers and external hard disk recorders. I actually do not use it today, but I know of people who do. The sort of things (in my mind only) that Rosegarden would have to respond to would be: 1) Start 2) Stop 3) Record 4) Loop 5) Tempo 6) Meter 7) Song Position Pointers 8) Add 20 more things here... I'm not deep into MIDI, but my understanding is that this is handled through MMC and MTC protocols. I do not have any copies of those specs and would love to get them and read through them if anyone has electronic copies or URL's. My thought right now is that if Rosegarden can chase the transport from PTLE, then I could initially use Linux/Rosegarden along side PTLE until I find a Linux-based audio app to really replace the audio recording part of Pro Tools, which is quite advanced and relatively stable. If there's some way I can help get this going, then I'm interested and motivated. I can record PTLE MIDI transport info and provide that, or use one of the PCs in my studio (3, all dual boot Linux/Windows) as a platform for testing new code and giving feedback. In coming to Linux, I originally thought I might find an all-in-one replacement for PTLE, but it's not there yet. That's OK. I've been involved with Linux 1394 development for 3 years and understand how it's done and how long it takes. I'm amazed at what all you developers are able to accomplish in your 'spare' ;-) time. More questions are certainly welcomed. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Richard Bown Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:52 AM To: Mark Knecht; Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE On Monday 21 October 2002 15:38, Mark Knecht wrote: > The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I > mislabeled, but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for > just plain users like me?' Yep, it's called rosegarden-users. Check out our homepage for instructions on subscribing. > Last question (for now)... Does Rosegarden have the capability to > chase transport commands issued over MIDI? I'm looking for an > outboard MIDI sequencer so that I can dump my Pro Tools MIDI stuff. > If not, could it? When you say chase - do you mean record? We don't do a lot of particualtly specific MIDI stuff at the moment but the infrastructure is all there ready to handle feature requests such as these. If you can be a bit more specific then perhaps we can tell you how much effort it'd take to support it. B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list Rosegarden-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel |
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From: Chris Cannam <cannam@al...> - 2002-10-21 16:24:04
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Mark Knecht wrote: > I've been involved > with Linux 1394 development for 3 years Hey, can you tell me how to get the FireWire CD/RW on my Vaio working!? At least, I think I read somewhere that it was a FireWire thing. A-hem... sorry, that may be a little off-topic. And I should just research it myself. (Besides, the base station is in storage at the moment. And I've only just got my ACPI kernel working, so I should probably stop messing about for the moment.) Chris |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 17:40:24
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Chris, Happy to try. Let's handle that off line. Send me a note and let me know what you've tried, if anything. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Chris Cannam Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:23 AM To: 'Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail)' Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE Mark Knecht wrote: > I've been involved > with Linux 1394 development for 3 years Hey, can you tell me how to get the FireWire CD/RW on my Vaio working!? At least, I think I read somewhere that it was a FireWire thing. A-hem... sorry, that may be a little off-topic. And I should just research it myself. (Besides, the base station is in storage at the moment. And I've only just got my ACPI kernel working, so I should probably stop messing about for the moment.) Chris ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list Rosegarden-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel |
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From: Richard Bown <bownie@bo...> - 2002-10-21 16:59:01
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On Monday 21 October 2002 17:10, Mark Knecht wrote: > The sort of things (in my mind only) that Rosegarden would have to > respond to would be: > > 1) Start > 2) Stop > 3) Record > 4) Loop > 5) Tempo > 6) Meter > 7) Song Position Pointers > 8) Add 20 more things here... These are the kind of things I thought you meant - if you're there to test the features out then we can/I can get them in pretty quickly I should think. B |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 17:16:07
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Richard, Cool! Let me get Rosegarden working over the course of the next few days. I'm bringing it up on a test machine at my office, and then my home studio at night. When I have shown I can record and play MIDI just using Rosegarden, and made sure jack and everything else is under control, then we can start looking into what MIDI data you need from me, etc, to make your work easier. I have not used any of the Linux soft synths yet. For all the discussion about Muse this morning, I couldn't get them to work... If you do this work as a separate branch in CVS, then I might need some special instructions on how to check out the branch via Source Forge. Please remember that I am not a programmer and don't understand CVS any further than the instruction you guys put on your web pages. I'm building right now from a tarball, but would like to get on a CVS code stream soon. (And after an hour I'm still building from a tarball!) ;-) Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Richard Bown [mailto:bownie@...] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:01 AM To: Mark Knecht; 'Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail)' Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE On Monday 21 October 2002 17:10, Mark Knecht wrote: > The sort of things (in my mind only) that Rosegarden would have to > respond to would be: > > 1) Start > 2) Stop > 3) Record > 4) Loop > 5) Tempo > 6) Meter > 7) Song Position Pointers > 8) Add 20 more things here... These are the kind of things I thought you meant - if you're there to test the features out then we can/I can get them in pretty quickly I should think. B |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 17:31:39
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To be clear, I could not get them to work with Muse. I am using SSM, amSynth and Bristol with varying degrees of success, but not under Linux MIDI sequencer control yet. -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Mark Knecht Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:12 AM To: 'Richard Bown'; 'Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE <SNIP> I have not used any of the Linux soft synths yet. For all the discussion about Muse this morning, I couldn't get them to work... <SNIP> |
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From: Richard Bown <bownie@bo...> - 2002-10-22 06:47:25
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On Monday 21 October 2002 18:27, Mark Knecht wrote: > To be clear, I could not get them to work with Muse. I am using SSM, > amSynth and Bristol with varying degrees of success, but not under > Linux MIDI sequencer control yet. RG (Rosegarden) will happily talk to ALSA sequencer soft synths (definitely iiwusynth and timidity) but it doesn't bring them up or down - you have to start them before you start RG. I don't much like the soft synth control interface that MuSE has as I feel it's all a bit UNIXy/grungy to invade user space. We should eventually be able to fire up softsynths like just another plugin. B |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-22 15:43:47
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Richard, A little bit of info I got from the Pro Tools world. <SNIP> You have two options for PT and midi chasing but it depends on your gear. 1) if your using actual hardware then you can have PT generate a midi beat clock. This will usually work to start and stop a sequencer. 2) if your talking about having software work synchronously you'll need a program or a device that can generate a midi time code (Acid does this). Then you can set up sonar or PT to chase to midi time code. <SNIP> I do not know if any of this is accurate. I'd be willing to test both in whatever order you might want to approach the work in. It probably makes no real difference to me right now whether PTLE or Rosegarden is the master transport. I actually like the look and feel of Rosegarden's transport window more, but I think more Pro Tools people would probably prefer Pro Tools be the master since the looping and tempo/time signature stuff there is pretty advanced. Again, my interest right now is in making Rosegarden do the MIDI side of a Pro Tools based studio. Later I use Linux audio, but not right now. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Richard Bown Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:01 AM To: Mark Knecht; 'Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail)' Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE On Monday 21 October 2002 17:10, Mark Knecht wrote: > The sort of things (in my mind only) that Rosegarden would have to > respond to would be: > > 1) Start > 2) Stop > 3) Record > 4) Loop > 5) Tempo > 6) Meter > 7) Song Position Pointers > 8) Add 20 more things here... These are the kind of things I thought you meant - if you're there to test the features out then we can/I can get them in pretty quickly I should think. B ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net emial is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) technology. Join the Java Community Process(SM) (JCP(SM)) program now. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4699841;7576298;k? http://www.sun.com/javavote _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list Rosegarden-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 16:27:53
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Richard, Still confused. 'Our home page'??? I've gone to http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/ clicked on the mailing-list link, which signs me up for rosegarden-devel, not rosegarden-users. I know I'm missing something simple here. Please provide a link or let me know what I'm missing out on! Thanks, Mark -----Original Message----- From: Richard Bown [mailto:bownie@...] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:52 AM To: Mark Knecht; Rosegarden-Devel (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE On Monday 21 October 2002 15:38, Mark Knecht wrote: > The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I > mislabeled, but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for > just plain users like me?' Yep, it's called rosegarden-users. Check out our homepage for instructions on subscribing. > Last question (for now)... Does Rosegarden have the capability to > chase transport commands issued over MIDI? I'm looking for an > outboard MIDI sequencer so that I can dump my Pro Tools MIDI stuff. > If not, could it? When you say chase - do you mean record? We don't do a lot of particualtly specific MIDI stuff at the moment but the infrastructure is all there ready to handle feature requests such as these. If you can be a bit more specific then perhaps we can tell you how much effort it'd take to support it. B |
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From: Guillaume Laurent <glaurent@te...> - 2002-10-21 16:39:10
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On Monday 21 October 2002 18:23, Mark Knecht wrote: > I know I'm missing something simple here. Not you, Rich :-). > Please provide a link I did, but since the 3 of us are answering you you may have missed it. Here= it=20 is again : http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user =2D-=20 Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org |
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From: Mark Knecht <mknecht@co...> - 2002-10-21 17:04:17
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Guillaume, OK, I must have missed it, but I am signed up for that list now also. I would suggest that the mailing-list link on the Rosegarden home page http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/ could be updated to give people a choice of which one they want to subscribe to, so that you don't get too many unknowing people like me lurking around in the developer's conference where we don't provide much value. ;-) Currently it only takes people to the developer's side of things. (Unless I'm still missing something...) I'll transition over to the user's list for those sorts of questions today, but if there's more interest in discussing the MIDI stuff I raised, then let's do that here. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: rosegarden-devel-admin@... [mailto:rosegarden-devel-admin@...]On Behalf Of Guillaume Laurent Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:39 AM To: rosegarden-devel@... Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-devel] 1st build attempt - no KDE On Monday 21 October 2002 18:23, Mark Knecht wrote: > I know I'm missing something simple here. Not you, Rich :-). > Please provide a link I did, but since the 3 of us are answering you you may have missed it. Here it is again : http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net emial is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) technology. Join the Java Community Process(SM) (JCP(SM)) program now. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4699841;7576298;k? http://www.sun.com/javavote _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list Rosegarden-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel |
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From: Guillaume Laurent <glaurent@te...> - 2002-10-21 17:07:26
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On Monday 21 October 2002 19:00, Mark Knecht wrote: > many unknowing people like me lurking around in the developer's conference > where we don't provide much value. ;-) Actually you do, we're at a stage where user input is becoming very importa= nt.=20 But it's true that this kind of discussion is what rg-user was created for.= =20 :-) =2D-=20 Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org |
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From: Guillaume Laurent <glaurent@te...> - 2002-10-21 14:50:54
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On Monday 21 October 2002 16:38, Mark Knecht wrote: > Duh...sorry! The FAQ section listed below was apparently not visible to > my eyes here in California at 6:45AM. I'll work on trying to follow those > instructions and your extra info in this email. No problem. > The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I mislabele= d, > but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for just plain users li= ke > me?' Yes, rosegarden-user : https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > Last question (for now)... Does Rosegarden have the capability to chase > transport commands issued over MIDI? I'm looking for an outboard MIDI > sequencer so that I can dump my Pro Tools MIDI stuff. If not, could it? Rich ? Someone for you at the door. =2D-=20 Guillaume http://www.telegraph-road.org |
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From: Chris Cannam <cannam@al...> - 2002-10-21 14:57:25
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Mark Knecht wrote: > I just use PlanetCCRMA to get alsa and most other stuff installed I've heard the odd mention of PlanetCCRMA, but I don't really know anything about it -- perhaps you could summarise what it is and what it's for so that (if nothing else) we can quote that back at future RedHat users who come asking us about audio/midi stuff? (I am amazed to find that if I type PlanetCCRMA into Google, it tries to correct me to "Planetcrap"! What on earth?) > The 'mailing list' link took me to rosegarden-devel, which I mislabeled, > but it begs the question 'Is there a mailing list for just plain users like > me?' Shit, you're absolutely right. If you go in through the sf.net project page, you get offered more than one list, but our own rosegarden home page doesn't do that... damn, I'd wondered why rosegarden-user had such a low turnout! We'd better fix that. Chris |