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I'd like to help the development, it's been stagnant for years, and new
forms of abuse are becoming apparent.

dn...@ne... wrote:

>
>
> port 4321 a coincidence or a fibster calling card?

4321 is the standard whois port.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

I noticed it was redirecting to a porn site months ago and assumed it 
had expired.
inim says you still own it until Jul-2006, and it looks to me like that 
is correct.
ping fibscommunity.org resolves to 66.254.118.231, which is 
rwhois.reflected.net:4321.

port 4321 a coincidence or a fibster calling card?

Just thought it was weird.

Dana

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I hardly play on fibs any more, and can't be bothered to get into a 
debate either with Patti or on FibsBoard.

Is there an easy way to have people only be able to vouch or complain 
for someone they've played recently? Otherwise reducing it to just 
allowing the Friends option and listing Saved Games seems a reasonable 
solution. The only problem I see with the restriction to Friends is 
that you don't see any affect until you've voted for a few people.

Or what about having a minimum experience to vote that is quite high, 
say 1000? That would mean playing yourself over ten 99ptrs to get  the 
exp to vouch, a major hassle to reduce the problem Patti is complaining 
about.

The small feature I've always wanted is that Repbot reminds me whether 
I've vouched or complained for someone when I ask it. I simply can't 
remember the hundreds of people I've played, and the List feature is 
just too long. But this is pretty minor.

Alef

fi...@al... wrote:

[see - changed again]

>> I"d like not to raise a big bruhaha in case I don"t end up
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>implementing  anything (although I intend to).
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>Very few people read fibscommunity, no danger of any commotion. In fact I think burper has the brouhaha filters to maximum protection. And we're all volunteers, no crime or shame if it doesn't happen, besides your work on RepBot is testament to your bite being bigger than your bark. 
>
>  
>
That's not my style, though. Ideally there'd be no announcement at all. 
I just wanted feedback from you two, who understand RepBot well, I'm not 
really interested in a flood of "that's a great idea" from casual users.

>
>Fibscommunity is set up specifically to promote open source FIBS projects and needs more lively topics, so I've gone ahead and started a thread with my reply:
>
>http://www.fibscommunity.org/forum.php?do=viewcat&cat=2
>
>
>
>  
>
I posted a reply, but I find the interface extremely annoying. I prefer 
that repbot development issues be discussed in repbot-devel; anyone 
interested is welcome to join.

- Avi

>  I"d like not to raise a big bruhaha in case I don"t end up

> implementing  anything (although I intend to).

Very few people read fibscommunity, no danger of any commotion. In fact I think burper has the brouhaha filters to maximum protection. And we're all volunteers, no crime or shame if it doesn't happen, besides your work on RepBot is testament to your bite being bigger than your bark. 

Fibscommunity is set up specifically to promote open source FIBS projects and needs more lively topics, so I've gone ahead and started a thread with my reply:

http://www.fibscommunity.org/forum.php?do=viewcat&cat=2

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Dn...@ne... wrote:

>Great. Also be aware of fibscommunity.org. Might be a good place to solicit opinions.
>
>  
>
I'd like not to raise a big bruhaha in case I don't end up implementing 
anything (although I intend to).

Great. Also be aware of fibscommunity.org. Might be a good place to solicit opinions.

-burper

Avi Kivity <av...@ar...> wrote:

>[alef, copying your last known good address since you appear to keep 
>changing them]
>
>After a long period of inactivity, I'm thinking of implementing a new 
>feature, and would like to solicit your opinions thereof.
>
>My motivation is to give the old trigger finger a rest: I'm using 
>JavaFIBS, and must query RepBot for each outgoing and incoming invite. 
>Although I have programmable buttons that make the job easier, I'm a lot 
>lazier than that.
>
>The thinking here is that the number of active droppers is fairly low, 
>so if RepBot can announce droppers when I log in, or when they log in, I 
>can accept and issue invites without fear of being dropped and without 
>the need to consult with RepBot.
>
>Here's how a sample session might go:
>
>** You tell RepBot: help beware
>** RepBot says: 'tell RepBot beware saved <number> and|or reputation <rep>'
>** RepBot says: this asks RepBot to inform you when users with saved 
>games above <number>
>** RepBot says: and/or (specify one) reputation below <rep> log in. You 
>may specify just one
>** RepBot says: of the conditions, or both, according to preference. 
>Bots will not be reported
>** RepBot says: even if they match the criteria.
>** RepBot says: 'tell RepBot beware off'
>** RepBot says: turns off the beware feature.
>** RepBot says: NOTE: please do not shout out user reputations to alert 
>other players.
>** You tell RepBot: beware saved 10 or reputation -15000
>** RepBot says: RepBot will alert you when users that match your 
>criteria are logged in.
>*** You are disconnected
>
>[...]
>
>Welcome avik!
>** RepBot says: beware: dropper1, dropper2 are logged in.
>
>[...]
>
>dropper3 logs in.
>** RepBot says: beware: dropper3 has just logged in.
>
>[...]
>
>** You tell RepBot: beware off
>** RepBot says: RepBot will not alert you about potential droppers.
>
>[end sample session]
>
>It might be particularly useful if clients integrate this feature and 
>show "bewared" users in a different color or something.
>
>So, I'd like your opinions re:
>- is this a useful feature? maybe with other clients it is unnecessary 
>(I think some handle incoming invites just fine).
>- are there perhaps more useful features which should be implemented before?
>- anything else?
>
>Thanks,
>
>- Avi
>
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[alef, copying your last known good address since you appear to keep 
changing them]

After a long period of inactivity, I'm thinking of implementing a new 
feature, and would like to solicit your opinions thereof.

My motivation is to give the old trigger finger a rest: I'm using 
JavaFIBS, and must query RepBot for each outgoing and incoming invite. 
Although I have programmable buttons that make the job easier, I'm a lot 
lazier than that.

The thinking here is that the number of active droppers is fairly low, 
so if RepBot can announce droppers when I log in, or when they log in, I 
can accept and issue invites without fear of being dropped and without 
the need to consult with RepBot.

Here's how a sample session might go:

** You tell RepBot: help beware
** RepBot says: 'tell RepBot beware saved <number> and|or reputation <rep>'
** RepBot says: this asks RepBot to inform you when users with saved 
games above <number>
** RepBot says: and/or (specify one) reputation below <rep> log in. You 
may specify just one
** RepBot says: of the conditions, or both, according to preference. 
Bots will not be reported
** RepBot says: even if they match the criteria.
** RepBot says: 'tell RepBot beware off'
** RepBot says: turns off the beware feature.
** RepBot says: NOTE: please do not shout out user reputations to alert 
other players.
** You tell RepBot: beware saved 10 or reputation -15000
** RepBot says: RepBot will alert you when users that match your 
criteria are logged in.
*** You are disconnected

[...]

Welcome avik!
** RepBot says: beware: dropper1, dropper2 are logged in.

[...]

dropper3 logs in.
** RepBot says: beware: dropper3 has just logged in.

[...]

** You tell RepBot: beware off
** RepBot says: RepBot will not alert you about potential droppers.

[end sample session]

It might be particularly useful if clients integrate this feature and 
show "bewared" users in a different color or something.

So, I'd like your opinions re:
- is this a useful feature? maybe with other clients it is unnecessary 
(I think some handle incoming invites just fine).
- are there perhaps more useful features which should be implemented before?
- anything else?

Thanks,

- Avi

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> Because I've vouched for so many people I've found a few times that 
> I've used the friends command and then later after the match when 
> vouched realized I'd already voted for this person previously.
>
> Should the friends also include yourself?
>
> Or should there even be a particular marker for ask/list/friends when 
> you've already vouched for them?
>
> For example a # symbol:
>
> You tell RepBot: a avik
> RepBot says: avik's reputation is 105400(GOOD) (1 saved game)#
> You tell RepBot: l avik
> RepBot says: avik's complainers: arya
> RepBot says: avik's vouchers: alef#, alexandros, burper, cathal, cht, 
> CornCob, cyan, Dutchie, EddieVedd, Guetz, HumanIAm, isaone, jimbo, 
> jrham, jujubeez
> RepBot says: avik's vouchers (cont'd): KevinB, MadMatt, maestro, 
> noodle, Pipster, rodr, spielberg, trueman
> RepBot says: avik's complaints: alonzohar, benzion, csg, mayush, otaku
> RepBot says: avik's vouches: alef#, badass, cht, EddieVedd, isaone, 
> peachy, saab, slw, storm
> RepBot says: avik has 1 saved game.
> You tell RepBot: f avik
> RepBot says: avik complainers: [] vouchers: [alef#, Dutchie, 
> EddieVedd, HumanIAm, MadMatt, burper, cht, cyan, jrham, maestro, 
> noodle, rodr, spielberg] (1 saved game)
>
> Maybe an extra symbol would cause confusion not needed. Keep it simple?

Maybe

RepBot says: avik's reputation is 105400(GOOD) (1 saved game); you have 
vouched for avik

though I find it a bit cluttered (and it provides less information). the 
squashed spider will definitely bring some huh?!s.

Because I've vouched for so many people I've found a few times that 
I've used the friends command and then later after the match when 
vouched realized I'd already voted for this person previously.

Should the friends also include yourself?

Or should there even be a particular marker for ask/list/friends when 
you've already vouched for them?

For example a # symbol:

You tell RepBot: a avik
RepBot says: avik's reputation is 105400(GOOD) (1 saved game)#
You tell RepBot: l avik
RepBot says: avik's complainers: arya
RepBot says: avik's vouchers: alef#, alexandros, burper, cathal, cht, 
CornCob, cyan, Dutchie, EddieVedd, Guetz, HumanIAm, isaone, jimbo, 
jrham, jujubeez
RepBot says: avik's vouchers (cont'd): KevinB, MadMatt, maestro, 
noodle, Pipster, rodr, spielberg, trueman
RepBot says: avik's complaints: alonzohar, benzion, csg, mayush, otaku
RepBot says: avik's vouches: alef#, badass, cht, EddieVedd, isaone, 
peachy, saab, slw, storm
RepBot says: avik has 1 saved game.
You tell RepBot: f avik
RepBot says: avik complainers: [] vouchers: [alef#, Dutchie, EddieVedd, 
HumanIAm, MadMatt, burper, cht, cyan, jrham, maestro, noodle, rodr, 
spielberg] (1 saved game)

Maybe an extra symbol would cause confusion not needed. Keep it simple?

-Alef

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Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> A few times now I've told RepBot "tourneys" without thinking. Does 
> RepBot log the nonsensical commands it receives?

It logs everything you say or think.

> If others have done the same perhaps offer the response:
> Please speak to my friend TourneyBot ;-)

three others. I'll add this nice feature sometime.

>
> -Alef
>   

Avi

A few times now I've told RepBot "tourneys" without thinking. Does 
RepBot log the nonsensical commands it receives? If others have done 
the same perhaps offer the response:
Please speak to my friend TourneyBot ;-)

-Alef

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

>
> Homepage now at http://www.fibsboard.com/repbot/ and I've put an 
> amended version of the short developer's page at 
> http://repbot.sourceforge.net

updated. may the link drive your hits ever higher.

suggest a 'Getting Help' section below the faq (or maybe as the last 
faq). I don't think many are going to read anything beyond that, 
inspiring as it may be.

>
>>> Hopefully they can just find it from www.fibsboard.com, we can have 
>>> a link in the top left under Site Navigation. We should then each 
>>> sign up to receive emails whenever someone posts there.
>>
>>
>> didn't see no repbot forum
>
>
> http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?showforum=25

ok, thanks. I've registered as an ordinary mortal.

> that's what I meant - setup the email address to point to the forum or 
> homepage. latter preferrable IMO.

Yep, point them to the homepage so they read things before blindly 
asking.

Homepage now at http://www.fibsboard.com/repbot/ and I've put an 
amended version of the short developer's page at 
http://repbot.sourceforge.net

>> Hopefully they can just find it from www.fibsboard.com, we can have a 
>> link in the top left under Site Navigation. We should then each sign 
>> up to receive emails whenever someone posts there.
>
> didn't see no repbot forum

http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?showforum=25

It's the top forum in the Bots section. An older post of burper's and 
some replies that were previously under Bots have moved here.

>> Would either of you like to be forum moderator?
>
> not particularly. is there any reason for the forum to be moderated?

Posts appear without being screened but moderators can edit them later 
and give "warnings" to posters, this is how webrunner has set up the 
whole board. Both burper and I have been made moderators. You can just 
subscribe if you prefer.

-Alef

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>>> We could also have the homepage at www.fibsboard.com/repbot or even 
>>> at both locations? An advantage is that many clients don't allow cut 
>>> and paste so it's much easier as a URL you can shout and people 
>>> remember.
>>
>>
>> by all means. maybe even repbot.fibsboard.com.
>
>
> There's currently fibsboard.com/tshirt and fibsboard.com/archive, so 
> perhaps keep consistency. 

reasonable

>
>
>> I'll change RepBot's email address once you give me the go-ahead.
>
>
> Instead of an email we can just point them to the forum, although a 
> direct link is slightly long, probably will be:
> http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?showforum=25 

that's what I meant - setup the email address to point to the forum or 
homepage. latter preferrable IMO.

>
>
> Hopefully they can just find it from www.fibsboard.com, we can have a 
> link in the top left under Site Navigation. We should then each sign 
> up to receive emails whenever someone posts there. 

didn't see no repbot forum

> Would either of you like to be forum moderator? 

not particularly. is there any reason for the forum to be moderated?

>
>
> -Alef

Avi

Avi Kivity wrote:
>> We could also have the homepage at www.fibsboard.com/repbot or even 
>> at both locations? An advantage is that many clients don't allow cut 
>> and paste so it's much easier as a URL you can shout and people 
>> remember.
>
> by all means. maybe even repbot.fibsboard.com.

There's currently fibsboard.com/tshirt and fibsboard.com/archive, so 
perhaps keep consistency.

> I'll change RepBot's email address once you give me the go-ahead.

Instead of an email we can just point them to the forum, although a 
direct link is slightly long, probably will be:
http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?showforum=25

Hopefully they can just find it from www.fibsboard.com, we can have a 
link in the top left under Site Navigation. We should then each sign up 
to receive emails whenever someone posts there. Would either of you 
like to be forum moderator?

-Alef

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> Avi & burper,
>
> The newly renamed www.fibsboard.com is building up as a central place 
> for everything not on fibs.com. What do you think of having a forum 
> there for RepBot help instead of the current mailing list? Means more 
> people will read the queries so less likely to get repeat questions 
> (though it is a quiet list). Also joins RepBot into the "community" more.

sure. keep devel here and move users. not that any of them see traffic.

>
> We could also have the homepage at www.fibsboard.com/repbot or even at 
> both locations? An advantage is that many clients don't allow cut and 
> paste so it's much easier as a URL you can shout and people remember.

by all means. maybe even repbot.fibsboard.com.

I'll change RepBot's email address once you give me the go-ahead.

Avi

Avi & burper,

The newly renamed www.fibsboard.com is building up as a central place 
for everything not on fibs.com. What do you think of having a forum 
there for RepBot help instead of the current mailing list? Means more 
people will read the queries so less likely to get repeat questions 
(though it is a quiet list). Also joins RepBot into the "community" 
more.

We could also have the homepage at www.fibsboard.com/repbot or even at 
both locations? An advantage is that many clients don't allow cut and 
paste so it's much easier as a URL you can shout and people remember.

Happy new year,
Alef

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> Looks like he's a bit unwell at the moment :-(

The first major rains have arrived and with them the occasional 
blackouts. I'll have to rig my machine to restart without coaxing on my 
part.

>
> -Alef
>
Avi

Looks like he's a bit unwell at the moment :-(

-Alef

Alef Rosenbaum wrote:

> A FIBS player at my local club recently asked me about the deletion of 
> complaints from dead accounts. I told her there was a Reaper which 
> occasionally cleans these out (and that a single complaint from an 
> idiot hardly stops people inviting her!), but I wasn't sure how often 
> it ran. Is it automated or something you just turn on every once in a 
> while?

It continuously scans the entire user list, verifying one user every ten 
minutes. The entire list is processed every six weeks, so you can expect 
several weeks to pass before a dead login disappears from RepBot.

>
> -Alef
>
> (I've amended the webpage feedback to rep...@li...) 

thanks

A FIBS player at my local club recently asked me about the deletion of 
complaints from dead accounts. I told her there was a Reaper which 
occasionally cleans these out (and that a single complaint from an 
idiot hardly stops people inviting her!), but I wasn't sure how often 
it ran. Is it automated or something you just turn on every once in a 
while?

-Alef

(I've amended the webpage feedback to 
rep...@li...)

Due to the recent barrage of user emails to repbot-devel, I've created a 
new list, repbot-users.

A new list serves the following purposes:
- separation of development traffic from user traffic
- a more natural email address for repbot-users
- reply-to set by default to the poster instead of the list

Those wishing to monitor (and respond to) repbot-users can subscribe at 
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/repbot-users. When replying 
to a user, please be sure to CC rep...@li..., so 
users won't be flooded by multiple almost identical replies from 
numerous RepBot caretakers.

Alef, might I trouble you to update RepBot's home page to reflect the 
new world order?

- Avi

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