Re: [Refdb-users] cited page numbers?

[Bruce D'A. <bd...@fa...>]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Markus Hoenicka wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> Bruce D'Arcus writes:
>> Well, in Endnote, it is not in the database, but is appended to the
>> temporary citation, which might look like {Jones, 1998@23}.  I am
>> forgetting the syntax now for adding other text to the temp citation,
>> but it involves using another delimiter.
>>
>> As we've discussed on the bibx list, I don't think this method is
>> ideal.  I'd prefer that quotes have their page numbers associated with
>> them, and be stored in the database.
>>
>
> You're demanding a pretty tricky data model. In order to reduce
> redundancy it doesn't make sense to store 37 quotes of the same book,
> each with the full bibliographic information. This would require some
> mechanism to store the bibliographic information proper separately
> from the quotes. This would essentially add an additional layer of
> complexity, but positive thinking would turn this into a challenge.

Yes, I know.  As you well know, I am partly thinking of GUI 
applications for this, in which there would be no distinction between 
the quotes and the base reference from the user perspective.

>> 61. The moral and fiscal capacity for philanthropy was an important
>> mechanism of class differentiation--separating the respectable from 
>> the
>> residuum as well as the wealthy from the poor; see Peter Mandler,
>> "Christian Political Economy and the Making of the New Poor Law,"
>> Historical Journal 33, no. 1 (1990): 87.
>>
>> if you can figure *this* out, I'll be mighty impressed ;-)
>>
>
> Unless I missed the point, this isn't as hard as it seems. This would
> require a new in-text citation type in addition to the existing
> regular, author-only, and year-only types. This full (or whatever)
> type would simply display everything that otherwise goes into the
> bibliography.

I think I was making it more complicated than it needed to be in my own 
mind.  If I understand right, the above example ought to just be coded 
as a footnote, with the specially formatted "full" citation within it.  
But should this really be a different type of citation, or is there a 
way to handle this via a citation style?  In an ideal world, I'd be 
able to switch between this kind of a style and author-date (in-text) 
without having to recode the document.  Shouldn't this be possible?

The other thing with this type of citation is to distinguish between 
the first full citation, and then subsequent short versions, ibid, etc.

Bruce