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From: Jason F. <jas...@ya...> - 2002-07-22 06:11:31
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Since these guys may not have the source, I think I'll try and contact them. Just to find out what they're up to and if they do have any source that would scare us off. - Jason --- Rex Jolliff <re...@lv...> wrote: > At 04:19 PM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: > >In some ways, no. If you look at an operating system, where any > >developer writing something for it goes by the "This works so it > >must be ok" mantra, you get software designed to run under a > system of > >behaviors. > > Your point about undocumented behavior is well taken, but not as > relevant when it comes to win32 I believe. > > > For example, your wish to have an alternative shell. How do > >you wish to do that and maintain 100% compatibility? > >-Ian > > Our stated goal is not '100% compatibility', whatever you mean by > that. Instead it is an OS which is compatible with the win32 api > and > the NTDDK api (at least those parts that are documented). Once we > get there, the vast majority of software that runs under windows > will > run under reactos. I for one don't think its productive to strive > for 100% > api compatibility, we should insted implement all documented apis > to the spec that is available. > > > Rex Jolliff > re...@lv... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Casper H. <ch...@us...> - 2002-07-22 05:22:27
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l=F8r, 2002-07-20 kl. 01:21 skrev James Marjie: > On Friday 19 July 2002 03:17 pm, James Marjie wrote: > > Why should we clone explorer? If we use a free one or wite a free one, = if > > the person doesn't like it could they just not download the newest > > explorer. > Guess I should learn to write today. >=20 > What I meant is that why should we go thru the process of rewriting an=20 > insecure app like that when if all goes as planed people could just downl= oad=20 > the original. > --=20 > James Marjie I think explorer was a reference to the GUI part of the standard Windows shell (non-free), not Internet Explorer (free). Casper |
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From: Brian P. <br...@sg...> - 2002-07-22 03:44:22
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I have added a new feature to FreeLoader that allows you to remap the BIOS drives. You can remap up to 4 drives. To remap a drive just add a DriveMap= line to freeldr.ini for the OS-section you want it to apply to. The syntax for it is DriveMap=source,destination For example: DriveMap=hd0,hd1 DriveMap=hd1,hd0 This will swap hard drives 1 & 2. DriveMap=fd1,fd0 This will map the second floppy drive to the first DriveMap=hd0,hd2 This will map the first hard drive to the third hard drive. Brian |
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From: Iain S. <iai...@me...> - 2002-07-22 00:49:08
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Oops. I may have volunteered too soon. :) I don=B9t have a conference pass so I don't think I can get in to give the lightning talk. :( I think I'll have to retract my offer. Sorry and best wishes. -iain |
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From: Iain S. <iai...@me...> - 2002-07-22 00:34:14
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I'm mostly a ReactOS lurker but if you give me the presentation (what should be in it) and let me know what you want covered (topics, overheads, etc) I can probably fill in for you. I live about 45 minutes drive away from the conference location. I can't guarantee a stellar representation of the project as I'm not that deeply familiar with it, but I can give the talk which could give the project exposure and get feedback from attendees on the project and report back... -iain On 7/19/02 6:16 PM, "Brian Palmer" <br...@sg...> wrote: > I live in Utah which is quite a drive from San Diego. But I have already > made plans for next week. Sorry. > > Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rea...@li... > [mailto:reactos-kernel- >> ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Steven Edwards >> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:06 AM >> To: rea...@li... >> Cc: re...@mo...; jas...@ya... >> Subject: [ros-kernel] Fwd: Lightning talk accepted: ReactOS > Development >> Overview >> >> Grrrrr. This freaking sucks. I sent in a application for the O'Reilly > Open >> Source Convention like >> 4 months ago and they get back to me a week before the convention. > There >> is NO WAY I can attend >> OSCON as I am going to Linux World Expo next month in San Franciso. I > have >> asked for a 48 hour >> extention so we can try and figure out something. If no one can attend >> mabey we can give a video >> presentation or something. >> >> Rex or Brian, you guys are not to far from San Diego right? Is there >> anyway you can give this talk >> on July 22-26, 2002? I never would have sent in for this if I thought > it >> would be this late with a >> answer. If not then I guess we might be able to get a spot for next > year. >> >> Thanks >> Steven >> >> Note: forwarded message attached. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >> http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel |
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-21 23:02:49
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I completely agree. When ReactOS gets big enough, it will hopefully force developers to not use undocumented APIs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Jolliff" <re...@lv...> To: <rea...@li...> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Chinese government to develop Windows clone > At 04:19 PM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: > >In some ways, no. If you look at an operating system, where any > >developer writing something for it goes by the "This works so it > >must be ok" mantra, you get software designed to run under a system of > >behaviors. > > Your point about undocumented behavior is well taken, but not as > relevant when it comes to win32 I believe. > > > For example, your wish to have an alternative shell. How do > >you wish to do that and maintain 100% compatibility? > >-Ian > > Our stated goal is not '100% compatibility', whatever you mean by > that. Instead it is an OS which is compatible with the win32 api and > the NTDDK api (at least those parts that are documented). Once we > get there, the vast majority of software that runs under windows will > run under reactos. I for one don't think its productive to strive for 100% > api compatibility, we should insted implement all documented apis > to the spec that is available. > > > Rex Jolliff > re...@lv... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > |
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-07-21 19:50:00
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I'm going on a vacation - see you in 2 weeks! |
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From: Rex J. <re...@lv...> - 2002-07-21 16:37:17
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At 04:19 PM 7/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >In some ways, no. If you look at an operating system, where any >developer writing something for it goes by the "This works so it >must be ok" mantra, you get software designed to run under a system of >behaviors. Your point about undocumented behavior is well taken, but not as relevant when it comes to win32 I believe. > For example, your wish to have an alternative shell. How do >you wish to do that and maintain 100% compatibility? >-Ian Our stated goal is not '100% compatibility', whatever you mean by that. Instead it is an OS which is compatible with the win32 api and the NTDDK api (at least those parts that are documented). Once we get there, the vast majority of software that runs under windows will run under reactos. I for one don't think its productive to strive for 100% api compatibility, we should insted implement all documented apis to the spec that is available. Rex Jolliff re...@lv... |
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-07-21 11:46:35
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At 06.37 21/07/2002, you wrote: > > >Actually they changed how SetForegroundWindow() works in Win98 & Win2k. > > >Now it does only flash the window's title. > > it's not enough. It doesn't protect stupid developers from creating windows > > that steal the focus from another window in the same program. See Miranda > > ICQ: the smartass that programmed the StatusNotifyEx plugin uses > > SetForegroundWindow (or something to that effect) constantly, so you often > > find yourself typing into a notification pop-up because it has stolen focus > > from the message composing window >Some axioms to remember, my friend: [...] I'll add one from my guru Joel Spolsky: "[...] We used to write algorithms. Now we call APIs. Nowadays a good programmer spends a lot of time doing defensive coding, working around other people's bugs. It's not uncommon to set up an exception handler to prevent your code from crashing when your crap library crashes. [...]" very fitting in the Miranda plugins scenario |
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From: Robert K. <ro...@ko...> - 2002-07-21 10:22:52
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> > >It looks like IE is using SHFileOperation or something like that >and that function and other parts of shell are serialised. How >lame. > You found one of the main problems. All this M$-stuff is written using MFC and COM. Wile MFC is half the way MT compatible COM is only with efforts by the programmer. There exist a so called appartment model that serializes multithreaded access to com-objects. Since programmes are lazy folks this model is (if even MT is used) used in most cases. ...and lame. > >I have Windows 2000. > >JMu > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> >To: <rea...@li...> >Cc: <rea...@li...> >Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:43 PM >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: ROS gui > > > > >>At 05.31 20/07/2002, Royce Mitchell III wrote: >> >> >>>( For example, every time I delete a large quantity of files - >>> >>> >and I do > > >>>mean every time - the computer locks up for 5 - 45 seconds. As >>> >>> >a developer > > >>>I delete a large quantity of files rather frequently, and I >>> >>> >find this very > > >>>annoying. ) >>> >>> >>I think it's a Windows 98 problem - still, I'll add this to the >> >> >wishlist > > >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >>Welcome to geek heaven. >>http://thinkgeek.com/sf >>_______________________________________________ >>reactos-kernel mailing list >>rea...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >reactos-kernel mailing list >rea...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > > |
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From: Robert K. <ro...@ko...> - 2002-07-21 10:18:27
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> > I think it's a Windows 98 problem - still, I'll add this to the wishlist But I have the same prob under w2k, too. It is awful, if you have to wait while explorer starts the preparing to kill a simple file. And it takes from time to time up to 7 sec. I think it is an (IE-Integrated) problem that didn't exist when IE wasn't integrated in the shell. |
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From: Robert K. <ro...@ko...> - 2002-07-21 10:15:07
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> > >Now this brings up a nasty situation. Many explorer settings are under >HKLM/Software/Microsoft/... Would we want to put our settings in same >place for compatibility ( and findability ) ? > Ohh, nasty! Maybe we have the same tree in another subkey. Maybe rosdev. And now make a link from sw\microsoft to sw\rosdev. Now linking functions, doesn't it? > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >reactos-kernel mailing list >rea...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > > |
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-21 04:41:52
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----- Original Message ----- > At 00.28 21/07/2002, you wrote: > >Actually they changed how SetForegroundWindow() works in Win98 & Win2k. > >Now it does only flash the window's title. > > it's not enough. It doesn't protect stupid developers from creating windows > that steal the focus from another window in the same program. See Miranda > ICQ: the smartass that programmed the StatusNotifyEx plugin uses > SetForegroundWindow (or something to that effect) constantly, so you often > find yourself typing into a notification pop-up because it has stolen focus > from the message composing window Some axioms to remember, my friend: Albert Einstein: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Rich Cook: "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/jokes/quotes-nature-universe.htm |
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-07-20 23:41:35
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At 00.28 21/07/2002, you wrote: >Actually they changed how SetForegroundWindow() works in Win98 & Win2k. >Now it does only flash the window's title. it's not enough. It doesn't protect stupid developers from creating windows that steal the focus from another window in the same program. See Miranda ICQ: the smartass that programmed the StatusNotifyEx plugin uses SetForegroundWindow (or something to that effect) constantly, so you often find yourself typing into a notification pop-up because it has stolen focus from the message composing window |
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From: FuranDFX <fu...@ri...> - 2002-07-20 23:12:53
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In some ways, no. If you look at an operating system, where any
developer writing something for it goes by the "This works so it
must be ok" mantra, you get software designed to run under a system of
behaviors. These behaviors are both documented and undocumented. Case in
point is VGA emulation. It took a few years for video card manufacturers
to get it right. Why? Everyone was taking advantage of undocumented
features and behaviors. Working on compatibility for undocumented
features is a simple matter of disassembly, but understanding how an
application makes use of an undocumented _behavior_ is another matter
entirely. For example, your wish to have an alternative shell. How do
you wish to do that and maintain 100% compatibility?
-Ian
On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Royce Mitchell III wrote:
> To quote the article:
>
> Tim Harris, an operating system expert at Cambridge University, agrees that
> cloning a fully-functional operating system would be very difficult. He
> says: "To have something that would be stable and reliable enough to be used
> by consumers would be a mammoth undertaking."
>
> Does anybody else find this a bit presumptuous?
>
> Royce3
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Jolliff" <re...@lv...>
> To: <rea...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Chinese government to develop Windows clone
>
>
> > At 09:52 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote:
> > >http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992573
> > >
> > > Maybe they even get to use original Microsoft source code with total
> > > impunity - lucky bastards
> >
> > I think not getting to see such code is a blessing in disguise for us.
> >
> >
> > Rex Jolliff
> > re...@lv...
> >
> >
> >
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> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-07-20 23:00:16
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At 08.35 20/07/2002, Jarmo Muukka wrote:
>I thought that it would be cool idea to have a web page where users would
>have a possibility to see and add requirements.
mmmh. I'm not sure. Some good old usability tests would be better. You can
look at what the users expect the software to do, which is important.
Nobody should ever be forced to face a bug report or feature request form
>These could be possible to see/add per module. It should be controlled
>someway.
can you say "moderation"? last time I saw WinE's list of supported
applications, it was a chaotic mess: automatization is cool and stuff, but
moderation is sometimes necessary. Better yet: find some volunteers ("on
your marks...") for a help desk ("RUN!!!"), that will be the only people to
have direct contact with the users, and shield them from the beautiful hell
of mailing lists, bug report forms, and all those things that nobody in
their right mind would like to be subject to
[...]
>I hope that you got the point. When you read this you might not like
>something, or think that it's too complicated, or there is something
>missing, or req is not needed, or it can be implemented later, etc.
I suggest you (all of you) to have a look at Joel Spolsky's weblog:
<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/>
He speaks of software management mainly, but also of user interfaces. He
has a lot of common sense and humor. A good read. Too bad he doesn't update
very often
>I feel that adding detailed requirements before we write a line of code
>will pay it back.
definitely agree
>By the way, the reqs are so general that there are no UI specific things.
This doesn't mean that the UI doesn't require a spec on its own, of course
>Was this interesting or not?
if not else, at least someone has had the guts to bring this out
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-20 22:41:46
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To quote the article: Tim Harris, an operating system expert at Cambridge University, agrees that cloning a fully-functional operating system would be very difficult. He says: "To have something that would be stable and reliable enough to be used by consumers would be a mammoth undertaking." Does anybody else find this a bit presumptuous? Royce3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Jolliff" <re...@lv...> To: <rea...@li...> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Chinese government to develop Windows clone > At 09:52 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: > >http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992573 > > > > Maybe they even get to use original Microsoft source code with total > > impunity - lucky bastards > > I think not getting to see such code is a blessing in disguise for us. > > > Rex Jolliff > re...@lv... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > |
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-20 22:35:34
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> >* keep in-situ start menu editing > > and right-click for items. Maybe also give a title bar to submenus, to let > them be "teared" away and remain on-screen > Can the be a compile option. It's sounds rather expensive code-wise, and I personally wouldn't have a use for it.... I think :) > >* xp-like user management ( ms finally got that right, if xp wasn't such a > >flop ) > > what do you mean? I take it you haven't seen Windows XP then. Well, in a nutshell, it works like this ( by default ): At login you are presented with a list of users, and each user's icon ( obviously unnecessary ). If a user is already logged in ( wouldn't happen on boot-up obviously ) then it shows that user as being logged in. This isn't really why I say it's better, but I can't think of a better way to do this. The better part is this: User's can log off without having to shut down the applications they are running. I realize this is a tall order, and probably would be difficult to pull off, but it is one of the few features I actually like in XP. Now that I think about it, there's one more thing in XP we should bring to the table: XP's compatibility mode. You can tell an application it's running under 98, ME, NT4, or 2000, and you can have the OS automatically change the resolution and color depth when running the application. These options are accessed under a new tab in the file's properties dialog. > > >* extension hiding should *not* be default for power users. > >* file hiding should *not* be default for power users. > > well said. Implementing this will also require multiple skeleton/template > profiles - something that Windows doesn't have Yeah :( You have to break some new ground when building a better mouse trap, huh? > >* There should *never* be any reason for the OS to open a file unless the > >user has performed some action on the file, or on a program that uses the > >file. ( This will eliminate some of the nastier security holes explorer > >has been plagued by ). > > this sounds a bit generic... You seen nimda? Just hovering your mouse over a file ( you didn't even have to click it ), and the virus would copy itself. > >* file associations could work MUCH better. It's always a pain setting up > >my .c, .h, .cpp, .hpp, etc associations. > > any idea about how to do it? I have several, but they would break existing > programs Obviously we can't change HKCR. The best thing would be to create a solution that would work for all windows operating systems. I have a .REG file for my associations, but it needs tweaking depending on where I install VC and where I install SciTE. A major major problem I have with the file associations dialog in explorer is that the "Set Default Action" is completely broken. I think that probably the only solution would be to write a simple utility that reads a REG file, and looks for common paths, and gives you an option to modify them. Or perhaps reads a REG file, and looks for environment-like macros ( %vcpath% ), and prompts you to enter what they should be, and if multiple actions on a file extension, prompts you for which is default ( unless someone can tell me if there's a registry entry for which one is default - I haven't been able to find such a beast. From what I can tell, the first action created is always default ). |
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From: Brian P. <br...@sg...> - 2002-07-20 22:28:15
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Actually they changed how SetForegroundWindow() works in Win98 & Win2k. Now it does only flash the window's title. To actually force a window to the foreground MS uses an undocumented function in user32 I believe. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: rea...@li... [mailto:reactos-kernel- > ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Royce Mitchell III > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:14 PM > To: rea...@li... > Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: ROS gui > > > > > >One more annoying thing that comes to mind. When you paste files (Copy > and > > >Paste) to one folder and switch to another folder, Explorer activates > the > > >previous folder when it displays Copy progress dialog. So, no call to > > >SetForegroundWindow, please. > > > > same here. Wishlisted > > Solution: Instead of SetForegroundWindow, flash the window's title to > indicate it's completion like is done in so many other places. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > reactos-kernel mailing list > rea...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel |
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-20 22:18:47
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> > >One more annoying thing that comes to mind. When you paste files (Copy and > >Paste) to one folder and switch to another folder, Explorer activates the > >previous folder when it displays Copy progress dialog. So, no call to > >SetForegroundWindow, please. > > same here. Wishlisted Solution: Instead of SetForegroundWindow, flash the window's title to indicate it's completion like is done in so many other places. |
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From: Royce M. I. <ro...@ev...> - 2002-07-20 22:17:57
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----- Original Message ----- > > I guess a registry backup applications that ignores system settings could > fix this. Not exactly sure what you mean here. > A progress bar that sticks at the 35% mark for five minutes will make the > user believe the application froze. That's what I thought when I installed > OpenOffice two weeks ago. A progress bar that sticks at 35% is a frozen application, or a badly designed process. After about a minute I would have killed it. On the flip side of this, I've seen Explorer freeze, with the animation still running. An "elapsed time" field is probably the best indication that an app has not frozen. > How much memory do waste by not using hand-optimized assemly language but > C++, C# or a 4GL language? It always depends on which prize you are willing > to pay. Hehe, that's a deep dark well to jump into. My point was that I don't think, in most instances, that cacheing settings will have a significant performance impact. OTOH, I was thinking while driving to church today, and we might possibly want our explorer clone to go ahead and use the registry, if we want to maintain compatibility with existing explorer plugins. HKCR must obviously be there, and work the same, because too many applications rely on it, and modify it directly. Now this brings up a nasty situation. Many explorer settings are under HKLM/Software/Microsoft/... Would we want to put our settings in same place for compatibility ( and findability ) ? |
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From: Casper H. <ch...@us...> - 2002-07-20 22:02:47
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tir, 2002-07-16 kl. 08:04 skrev Steven Edwards: > Alot stuff is still really broken under gcc-3.1 our > telnet apps, ros cab manager, a few other minor > things. I dont know when we are going to do it. Casper > are you wanting to wait untill the next win32api > snapshot is taken now that they have merged in all of > the cygwin win32api stuff? > > I guess you could go ahead and test it if you want. > I'm going to be doing my all of my wine stuff under it > soon. > > Steven I have got ReactOS (the reactos cvs module as it is configured now) to compile using current w32api in the winsup repository. Now I just need to get ReactOS to boot again ;o) I need to redesign a few functions (a few in GDI and one in the object manager) to be compatible with NT. Actually we have been quite compatible with NT, which was nice. When done, the upcoming mingw release is required to compile ReactOS because older mingw's have a nasty fastcall bug that prevents ReactOS from compiling. Casper |
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From: Rex J. <re...@lv...> - 2002-07-20 21:43:40
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At 09:52 PM 7/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992573 > > Maybe they even get to use original Microsoft source code with total > impunity - lucky bastards I think not getting to see such code is a blessing in disguise for us. Rex Jolliff re...@lv... |
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From: James M. <jid...@sa...> - 2002-07-20 20:38:41
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On Saturday 20 July 2002 12:55 pm, Richard Campbell wrote: > Well, I'm not talking an exact clone, I'm talking certain elements NEED= to > be there. (start menu, all the same folders in the start menu, my compu= ter > on desktop, recycle bin on desktop, my network places on desktop, etc.)= If > you radically change the user interface ReactOS is no longer a windows > clone, but instead some sort of freak hybrid OS. As popularity has sho= wn, > (just look at windows and also at kde/gnome) The 'windows way' may not = be > the best way, but it is the most accepted way. But you should not cut out this option for people to do something new and= not=20 break the whole OS(shell replacment). --=20 James Marjie |
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From: KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...> - 2002-07-20 20:23:55
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http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992573 Being a country that's doesn't respect the occidental intellectual property laws, and that can't be forced to without a diplomatic incident, has got to help a lot. Maybe they even get to use original Microsoft source code with total impunity - lucky bastards |
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