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[ros-kernel] Re: ROS gui
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From: Richard C. <rca...@ho...> - 2002-07-19 20:42:43
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I think you guys need to stop thinking like geeks and start thinking like AOLers... (i.e. explorer DOES need to be cloned because it is part of windows nt.) PS, I've missed out on alot of ROS development (although very few people have missed my flames I'm sure :)) I hope to be up to speed >From: rea...@li... >Reply-To: rea...@li... >To: rea...@li... >Subject: reactos-kernel digest, Vol 1 #239 - 13 msgs >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:10:27 -0700 > >Send reactos-kernel mailing list submissions to > rea...@li... > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rea...@li... > >You can reach the person managing the list at > rea...@li... > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of reactos-kernel digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?YAW:_yet_another_windows_(old_project)?= >(=?utf-8?Q?ea...@io...?=) > 2. Re: YAW: yet another windows (old project) (Royce Mitchell III) > 3. Re: YAW: yet another windows (old project) (Thomas J. Hruska) > 4. Re: finally got good stack trace... (David Welch) > 5. Re: The Explorer replacement we need. (KJK::Hyperion) > 6. FW: Proposal - alt.os.reactos Discussion forum for the >OpenSource WindowsNT/2K clone ReactOS (Steven Edwards) > 7. newsgroup (Steven Edwards) > 8. Re: newsgroup (David Welch) > 9. Re: newsgroup (Steven Edwards) > 10. Re: finally got good stack trace... (Eric Kohl) > 11. Re: finally got good stack trace... (Royce Mitchell III) > 12. Re: The Explorer replacement we need. (Nick Date) > 13. Re: The Explorer replacement we need. >(=?iso-8859-2?Q?H=E1morszky_Bal=E1zs?=) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:37:44 +0200 >From: "=?utf-8?Q?ea...@io...?=" <ea...@io...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: [ros-kernel] >=?iso-8859-1?Q?YAW:_yet_another_windows_(old_project)?= >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >SXMgaXQgYSBkZWFkIHByb2plY3Q/DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaWNlLnJ1L3lhdy8= > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:17:04 -0600 (Central Standard Time) >From: Royce Mitchell III <ro...@ev...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] YAW: yet another windows (old project) >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >That's the impression I got when I checked them out a few >weeks ago. > >Royce3 > > > > >Subject: [ros-kernel] YAW: yet another windows (old project) > > From: "=?utf-8?Q?ea...@io...?=" <ea...@io...> > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:37:44 +0200 > > To: rea...@li... > > > >SXMgaXQgYSBkZWFkIHByb2plY3Q/DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaWNlLnJ1L3lhdy8= > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_______________________________________________ > >reactos-kernel mailing list > >rea...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:08:06 -0400 >To: rea...@li... >From: "Thomas J. Hruska" <shi...@sh...> >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] YAW: yet another windows (old project) >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >At 02:37 PM 7/17/2002 +0200, =?utf-8?Q?ea...@io...?= writeth: > >SXMgaXQgYSBkZWFkIHByb2plY3Q/DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaWNlLnJ1L3lhdy8= > >For those who can't read/speak/understand the Base64 language: >------------Start of Base64 Decode--------------- >Is it a dead project? > >http://www.ice.ru/yaw/ >-------------End of Base64 Decode---------------- > >Hope this helps! > > > Thomas J. Hruska -- shi...@sh... >Shining Light Productions -- "Meeting the needs of fellow programmers" > http://www.shininglightpro.com/ > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:07:52 +0000 >From: David Welch <we...@cw...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] finally got good stack trace... >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:26:26PM -0500, Royce Mitchell III wrote: > > Any ideas? > > >Yes, ntoskrnl is an exception, just add 0xc0000000 to the printed >address when using addr2line. I'm sorry figuring out where the kernel >crashed >can be such a bear. > > > It is still reporting div/0 by the way, and I have latest CVS... > > >Seems to be working here. > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:04:47 +0200 >To: rea...@li... >From: "KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] The Explorer replacement we need. >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >At 20.25 17/07/2002, you wrote: > >Also wine has some bugs with its CxxFrameHandler > >what's this? > > >Dont get me wrong I am not oposed to a project to rewrite explorer.exe. > >and I'm not supporting such a project :-) Explorer isn't exactly the best >desktop around, it's Shell32 that matters > > >1. It doesnt link to msvcp60.dll > >C++ runtime? whoa, it's big. It implements the STL, I see. We could use >STLPort for this, it's the STL the OpenOffice guys are using, and it looks >good (http://www.stlport.org/). The problem is that the DLL uses >Microsoft's C++ name decoration. I started documenting their decoration >scheme some time ago, but I can't find the BNF grammar I hacked together >anymore. If you need help on adding this to g++, I can try reconstructing >what I had found out > > >4. After only 1 day of work I can now compile 50% of geoShell under > >mingw/gcc 3.1. I was working on litestep I would be banging my head in to > >the wall right now. > >;-) > > > > but was is usable? would you use it? I downloaded it > > > and gave it a try, and > > > my answer is ... > >I was using it....the only real problem I had was the lack of Desktop >Icons. > >me too. Anyway, what do you think of my idea of the desktop as an >always-on-bottom bar with a Desktop widget in it? > > > > ... nope, geoshell is not ready for "prime time". It > > > didn't even *work* for > > > me. Some menus didn't open, some plugins behaved > > > odd, some menus flickered. > > > A disappointment > >The only thig left that really bothers me is so bugs in minamizing the > >geobars. > >I noticed a long series of bug and quirks, instead. The Favorites menu >doesn't open (not that I really miss it, since I use Opera full-time). >There's a duplicate Programs menu because I have a localized Windows and it >was expecting the folder to be literally called "Programs". The "lock >screen" doesn't lock the screen at all, it starts the screen saver. Some >control panel applets had the wrong icon or caption. Some icons appeared >shrunk. If you want a full bug report, I can reinstall geOShell > > >I agree adding stuff to the bars could be better... I think the size of > >the default geObar doesnt help to much. > >that's why Office (and most programs with similar toolbars) has a separate >dialog > >[...] > >Come on dude how hard is it to rename the resources? > >I think you misunderstood me. I'm just pointing out usability problems. >Mine is a designer's point of view, not a developer's. But if it's easy to >solve, even better :-) > >[...] > >I dont see why we couldnt implement this if we adopt R4. they are working > >on R6 but are willing to help us if we do future development on R4 for >ReactOS. > >again: it's not (strictly) a technical matter. I just want an opinion on my >remarks: do they make sense to you? do you agree? anything to add? > >BTW, I didn't ask directly to the geOShell team because I was afraid they >were a bit too "1337" to understand usability arguments (no offense meant, >I just seem to have strange prejudices against IRC'ers) > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:50:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: Steven Edwards <ste...@ya...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: [ros-kernel] FW: Proposal - alt.os.reactos Discussion forum >for the OpenSource WindowsNT/2K clone ReactOS >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >Proposal - alt.os.reactos Discussion forum for the >OpenSource WindowsNT/2K clone ReactOS > >CHARTER: alt.os.reactos discusses design and >implementation of the ReactOS operating systems and >its >relation to the Microsoft Windows Operating Systems. >Subjects will include but not be limited to >device drivers, win32api support, the posix subsystem >and license issues X11/BSD and GNU GPL/LGPL. > >The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, >off-topic, spam and advertising posts are not >permitted. >Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, serial numbers or >the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is >banned. > >JUSTIFICATION: A scan of messages in Google Groups in >the 3 months from 5/17/98 to 7/17/98 showed >*exactly* 1,010 relevant matches discussing ReactOS. >ReactOS is the key topic of no less then 3 >mailing lists and 2 web message boards and as such >central repository such as a news group would be >convenient. > >Thanks >Steven Edwards > >-- >"Every revolution was once a thought in one man's >mind" > - Ralph Waldo Emerson > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:52:11 -0700 (PDT) >From: Steven Edwards <ste...@ya...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: [ros-kernel] newsgroup >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >I forgot to add that you can help by responding in >alt.config to help show support. > >Thanks >Steven > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:35:53 +0000 >From: David Welch <we...@cw...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] newsgroup >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 11:52:11PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote: > > I forgot to add that you can help by responding in > > alt.config to help show support. > > >Do we really need a newsgroup? I don't see a lot of discussion of >ReactOS on usenet and we could always use alt.os.development. > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:53:29 -0700 (PDT) >From: Steven Edwards <ste...@ya...> >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] newsgroup >To: rea...@li... >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >I guess/hope not now. I forgot about the sig. juliet >uses and that showed up a 1000 times and got flamed >for it. Cancel the request as I have killed the thread >and probly pissed everyone off anyway. =P What a bunch >of nice people there are on usenet. > >Thanks >Steven > > > Do we really need a newsgroup? I don't see a lot of > > discussion of > > ReactOS on usenet and we could always use > > alt.os.development. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: "Eric Kohl" <ek...@rz...> >To: <rea...@li...> >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] finally got good stack trace... >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:04:03 +0200 >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >"Royce Mitchell III" <ro...@ev...> wrote: > > > I put a bunch of DbgPrint's all over that function last night, and >didn't > > see any of them on-screen... > >Please try a clean rebuild of the current CVS tree. David fixed some severe >bugs and I got my 9 year old Seagate ST3144A (130 MB) running which >reported >576 byte sectors. ;-) > >Eric > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:44:08 -0600 (Central Standard Time) >From: Royce Mitchell III <ro...@ev...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] finally got good stack trace... >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >I can't wait to try! > >/me rubbing hands with glee > >:) > >Royce3 > > > > >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] finally got good stack trace... > > From: "Eric Kohl" <ek...@rz...> > > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:04:03 +0200 > > To: <rea...@li...> > > > >"Royce Mitchell III" <ro...@ev...> wrote: > > > >> I put a bunch of DbgPrint's all over that function last night, and >didn't > >> see any of them on-screen... > > > >Please try a clean rebuild of the current CVS tree. David fixed some >severe > >bugs and I got my 9 year old Seagate ST3144A (130 MB) running which >reported > >576 byte sectors. ;-) > > > >Eric > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_______________________________________________ > >reactos-kernel mailing list > >rea...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >From: "Nick Date" <nic...@ya...> >To: <rea...@li...> >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] The Explorer replacement we need. >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:28:43 +0100 >Reply-To: rea...@li... > >Hiya. > >Sorry to step in after being away for so long (my life's up in the air at >the moment to say the least). > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "KJK::Hyperion" <no...@li...> >To: <rea...@li...> >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:04 PM >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] The Explorer replacement we need. > > > > At 20.25 17/07/2002, you wrote: > > > >Dont get me wrong I am not oposed to a project to rewrite explorer.exe. > > > and I'm not supporting such a project :-) Explorer isn't exactly the >best > > desktop around, it's Shell32 that matters > >[snip] > >You're right of course, but I think it would be nice to have a shell with a >windoze-a-like feel to it. End users hate change of any sort and a >familiar(ish) interface would probably stop them having a heart attack, or >mental breakdown or whatever. ;-) > >Hi to everyone and sorry I'm not active in the message lists at the moment. >I've got a new job starting on monday (warehouse work at a plumbing >merchants) so things should start to pick up and I'll have more free time >to >keep up with the project. > >Best regards. > >Nick. > >-- >Nick Date >Bath, England, UK > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.comm > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?H=E1morszky_Bal=E1zs?= <ba...@cr...> >To: rea...@li... >Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] The Explorer replacement we need. >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:11:53 +0200 >Reply-To: rea...@li... > > >Take two look: >http://www.geoshellx.com/userguide.asp?doc=desktop.inc >http://www.geoshellx.com/plugins/r48/geoDeskInstaller_1_0.exe > > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >reactos-kernel mailing list >rea...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/reactos-kernel > > >End of reactos-kernel Digest _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com |
