Re: [ros-kernel] The Explorer replacement we need.

[KJK::Hyperion <no...@li...>]

At 20.25 17/07/2002, you wrote:
>Also wine has some bugs with its CxxFrameHandler

what's this?

>Dont get me wrong I am not oposed to a project to rewrite explorer.exe.

and I'm not supporting such a project :-) Explorer isn't exactly the best 
desktop around, it's Shell32 that matters

>1. It doesnt link to msvcp60.dll

C++ runtime? whoa, it's big. It implements the STL, I see. We could use 
STLPort for this, it's the STL the OpenOffice guys are using, and it looks 
good (http://www.stlport.org/). The problem is that the DLL uses 
Microsoft's C++ name decoration. I started documenting their decoration 
scheme some time ago, but I can't find the BNF grammar I hacked together 
anymore. If you need help on adding this to g++, I can try reconstructing 
what I had found out

>4. After only 1 day of work I can now compile 50% of geoShell under 
>mingw/gcc 3.1. I was working on litestep I would be banging my head in to 
>the wall right now.

;-)

> > but was is usable? would you use it? I downloaded it
> > and gave it a try, and
> > my answer is ...
>I was using it....the only real problem I had was the lack of Desktop Icons.

me too. Anyway, what do you think of my idea of the desktop as an 
always-on-bottom bar with a Desktop widget in it?

> > ... nope, geoshell is not ready for "prime time". It
> > didn't even *work* for
> > me. Some menus didn't open, some plugins behaved
> > odd, some menus flickered.
> > A disappointment
>The only thig left that really bothers me is so bugs in minamizing the 
>geobars.

I noticed a long series of bug and quirks, instead. The Favorites menu 
doesn't open (not that I really miss it, since I use Opera full-time). 
There's a duplicate Programs menu because I have a localized Windows and it 
was expecting the folder to be literally called "Programs". The "lock 
screen" doesn't lock the screen at all, it starts the screen saver. Some 
control panel applets had the wrong icon or caption. Some icons appeared 
shrunk. If you want a full bug report, I can reinstall geOShell

>I agree adding stuff to the bars could be better... I think the size of 
>the default geObar doesnt help to much.

that's why Office (and most programs with similar toolbars) has a separate 
dialog

[...]
>Come on dude how hard is it to rename the resources?

I think you misunderstood me. I'm just pointing out usability problems. 
Mine is a designer's point of view, not a developer's. But if it's easy to 
solve, even better :-)

[...]
>I dont see why we couldnt implement this if we adopt R4. they are working 
>on R6 but are willing to help us if we do future development on R4 for ReactOS.

again: it's not (strictly) a technical matter. I just want an opinion on my 
remarks: do they make sense to you? do you agree? anything to add?

BTW, I didn't ask directly to the geOShell team because I was afraid they 
were a bit too "1337" to understand usability arguments (no offense meant, 
I just seem to have strange prejudices against IRC'ers)