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[Rdfapi-php-interest] view RDF file in Firefox

From: AJ C. <ca...@gm...> - 2006-11-27 08:10:01

When firefox opens a rdf file generated by rdfapi, it automatically parses
it as xml file. The result is unreadable. So, I want Firefox to open rdf
file as is, showing content within xml structure. Any suggestion how to do
that?  Maybe something can be added to the  top of rdf file, which will
prevent it from parsing by xml parser.  Or configure firefox not to parse
rdf file. But I can't find a way to add rdf file type to firefox download
manager.
Thanks,
-- 
AJ Chen, PhD
Palo Alto, CA
http://web2express.org

Re: [Rdfapi-php-interest] view RDF file in Firefox

From: Richard C. <ri...@cy...> - 2006-11-27 10:03:05

Hi,

On 27 Nov 2006, at 09:09, AJ Chen wrote:
> When firefox opens a rdf file generated by rdfapi, it automatically  
> parses it as xml file. The result is unreadable.

This is what Firefox does with all XML files.

> So, I want Firefox to open rdf file as is, showing content within  
> xml structure. Any suggestion how to do that?

Select "View Source" from the menu.

> Maybe something can be added to the  top of rdf file, which will  
> prevent it from parsing by xml parser.

You could do that, but then it wouldn't be an RDF file any more, and  
therefore most RDF tools would not recognize it.

(As a better solution, you could use an XML processing instruction to  
associate a CSS or XSLT stylesheet with the RDF document, see [1].)

RDF files are not meant to be displayed to a human. It doesn't really  
matter if it's parsed as XML, or if the raw XML is displayed, Non- 
geeks will not be able to understand either of those. Look at how  
links to RSS and Atom feeds are usually handled, they are hidden away  
behind [RSS] buttons or <link> elements in the HTML head, human  
readers will usually not see it, and RSS clients know where to look  
for it. I think the same approach should be used for RDF.

Yours,
Richard

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-stylesheet/

> Or configure firefox not to parse rdf file. But I can't find a way  
> to add rdf file type to firefox download manager.
> Thanks,
> -- 
> AJ Chen, PhD
> Palo Alto, CA
> http://web2express.org
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Re: [Rdfapi-php-interest] view RDF file in Firefox

From: Markus <ma...@ai...> - 2006-11-28 11:54:34

On Monday 27 November 2006 11:02, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 27 Nov 2006, at 09:09, AJ Chen wrote:
> > When firefox opens a rdf file generated by rdfapi, it automatically
> > parses it as xml file. The result is unreadable.
>
> This is what Firefox does with all XML files.

That is not quite true. In fact, Firefox nicely displays XML files. See e.g=
=2E=20
http://ontoworld.org/RDF/categories.xml

But FF interprets RDF as broken HTML (I think), i.e. the tags are stripped =
and=20
the page only consists of text between the tags. To change this, you could=
=20
deliver your .rdf files as application/xml (and not as application/rdf+xml)=
,=20
or (if they are static files), rename them into .xml or reconfigure your=20
webserver to use the other mime.

And, of course, someone should file a Firefox bug report.

Cheers,

Markus

>
> > So, I want Firefox to open rdf file as is, showing content within
> > xml structure. Any suggestion how to do that?
>
> Select "View Source" from the menu.
>
> > Maybe something can be added to the  top of rdf file, which will
> > prevent it from parsing by xml parser.
>
> You could do that, but then it wouldn't be an RDF file any more, and
> therefore most RDF tools would not recognize it.
>
> (As a better solution, you could use an XML processing instruction to
> associate a CSS or XSLT stylesheet with the RDF document, see [1].)
>
> RDF files are not meant to be displayed to a human. It doesn't really
> matter if it's parsed as XML, or if the raw XML is displayed, Non-
> geeks will not be able to understand either of those. Look at how
> links to RSS and Atom feeds are usually handled, they are hidden away
> behind [RSS] buttons or <link> elements in the HTML head, human
> readers will usually not see it, and RSS clients know where to look
> for it. I think the same approach should be used for RDF.
>
> Yours,
> Richard
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-stylesheet/
>
> > Or configure firefox not to parse rdf file. But I can't find a way
> > to add rdf file type to firefox download manager.
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > AJ Chen, PhD
> > Palo Alto, CA
> > http://web2express.org
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Re: [Rdfapi-php-interest] view RDF file in Firefox

From: Richard C. <ri...@cy...> - 2006-11-28 14:41:40

Markus, AJ,

On 28 Nov 2006, at 12:54, Markus Kr=F6tzsch wrote:
>> On 27 Nov 2006, at 09:09, AJ Chen wrote:
>>> When firefox opens a rdf file generated by rdfapi, it automatically
>>> parses it as xml file. The result is unreadable.
>>
>> This is what Firefox does with all XML files.
>
> That is not quite true. In fact, Firefox nicely displays XML files. =20=

> See e.g.
> http://ontoworld.org/RDF/categories.xml
>
> But FF interprets RDF as broken HTML (I think), i.e. the tags are =20
> stripped and
> the page only consists of text between the tags.

Ah, interesting, I didn't know. Thanks for pointing this out, and =20
apologies to AJ for my wrong claims.

> To change this, you could
> deliver your .rdf files as application/xml (and not as application/=20
> rdf+xml),
> or (if they are static files), rename them into .xml or reconfigure =20=

> your
> webserver to use the other mime.

Well, yes, but that's no real solution either because it sends an =20
inexact MIME type that might cause RDF clients to not recognize the =20
RDF document.

Richard


> And, of course, someone should file a Firefox bug report.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Markus
>
>>
>>> So, I want Firefox to open rdf file as is, showing content within
>>> xml structure. Any suggestion how to do that?
>>
>> Select "View Source" from the menu.
>>
>>> Maybe something can be added to the  top of rdf file, which will
>>> prevent it from parsing by xml parser.
>>
>> You could do that, but then it wouldn't be an RDF file any more, and
>> therefore most RDF tools would not recognize it.
>>
>> (As a better solution, you could use an XML processing instruction to
>> associate a CSS or XSLT stylesheet with the RDF document, see [1].)
>>
>> RDF files are not meant to be displayed to a human. It doesn't really
>> matter if it's parsed as XML, or if the raw XML is displayed, Non-
>> geeks will not be able to understand either of those. Look at how
>> links to RSS and Atom feeds are usually handled, they are hidden away
>> behind [RSS] buttons or <link> elements in the HTML head, human
>> readers will usually not see it, and RSS clients know where to look
>> for it. I think the same approach should be used for RDF.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Richard
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-stylesheet/
>>
>>> Or configure firefox not to parse rdf file. But I can't find a way
>>> to add rdf file type to firefox download manager.
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> AJ Chen, PhD
>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>> http://web2express.org
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------=20=

>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT
>>> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to
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>>> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn =20=

>>> cash
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>>
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