rails-users

[Rails-users] Rails save files for 18EU

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

To all Rails 18EU players:
I am currently looking for 18EU save files for Rails.

Best are End-of-Game files, however intermediate files work too, any 
Rails version works fine.

Rails allows automated testing with existing game files to ensure that 
new features do not break existing games. However for 18EU there is no 
full game file and 18EU deviates substantially from 1830.

Please send 18EU files directly to my mail address and I will add them 
to the Rails repository for future testing.

Thanks for your help.

Stefan

[Rails-users] Rails save files for 1856

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

The call for save files for 18EU allowed to fix several specific bugs 
for that game in 2.0.

As the coverage of 1856 is pretty sparse and it deviates substantially 
from 1830 can I ask all of you for 1856 save files in a similar fashion 
as before?

I expect a Release Candidate 2 ready for this weekend.

Thanks,
Stefan

On 09/23/2015 10:01 PM, Stefan Frey wrote:
> To all Rails 18EU players:
> I am currently looking for 18EU save files for Rails.
>
> Best are End-of-Game files, however intermediate files work too, any
> Rails version works fine.
>
> Rails allows automated testing with existing game files to ensure that
> new features do not break existing games. However for 18EU there is no
> full game file and 18EU deviates substantially from 1830.
>
> Please send 18EU files directly to my mail address and I will add them
> to the Rails repository for future testing.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog!
> Get real-time metrics from all of your servers, apps and tools
> in one place.
> SourceForge users - Click here to start your Free Trial of Datadog now!
> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=241902991&iu=/4140
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-users mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users
>

Re: [Rails-users] Rails save files for 1856

[Luiz C. S. D. <lui...@gm...>]

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:48:14 +0200
Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> The call for save files for 18EU allowed to fix several specific bugs 
> for that game in 2.0.
> 
> As the coverage of 1856 is pretty sparse and it deviates
> substantially from 1830 can I ask all of you for 1856 save files in a
> similar fashion as before?

Stefan, the two attached files are from a current 1856 game. As you can
see in the screen capture, in the map window there is a detail line for
only one of the seven active companies.

I hope this can be useful. Best regards!

-- 
Nanos gigantum humeris insidentes sumus.

Semper imitatum, nunquam idem.

Hoc volo, sic jubeo, sit pro ratione voluntas.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

"People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because
they quit playing." [segundo G. Stanley Hall]

https://luiz.claudio.nom.br/

[Rails-users] Company panel during OR (was: Rails save files for 1856)

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Luiz:
first thanks for the save files.

The bug you reported is actually intended as a feature... ;-)

During Tile and Token Lays and Revenue Calculation only the current 
operating company is shown to maximize the area to display the map.

Only during Train Buying all companies are shown.

To All:

What do you think? There has to be a solution for those games that 
feature too many companies.

One idea is to allow the user change the mode (single versus all) by 
double-clicking on the company panel?


On 10/04/2015 02:52 PM, Luiz Cláudio S. Duarte wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:48:14 +0200
> Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>
>> The call for save files for 18EU allowed to fix several specific bugs
>> for that game in 2.0.
>>
>> As the coverage of 1856 is pretty sparse and it deviates
>> substantially from 1830 can I ask all of you for 1856 save files in a
>> similar fashion as before?
>
> Stefan, the two attached files are from a current 1856 game. As you can
> see in the screen capture, in the map window there is a detail line for
> only one of the seven active companies.
>
> I hope this can be useful. Best regards!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-users mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users
>

Re: [Rails-users] Company panel during OR (was: Rails save files for 1856)

[Luiz C. S. D. <lui...@gm...>]

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:06:26 +0200
Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> During Tile and Token Lays and Revenue Calculation only the current 
> operating company is shown to maximize the area to display the map.
> 
> Only during Train Buying all companies are shown.
> 
> What do you think? There has to be a solution for those games that 
> feature too many companies.

I can understand the motives, no doubt. But, although all information
on the company lines below the map are already present in the Game
Status window, the turn order is not there. Sure, it can be gleaned
from the Stock Market window, but it is easier to see it below the map.

The ability of turning it on and off would be very good. I don't know
if this is doable, but it could also be another floating window.

-- 
Nanos gigantum humeris insidentes sumus.

Semper imitatum, nunquam idem.

Hoc volo, sic jubeo, sit pro ratione voluntas.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

"People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because
they quit playing." [segundo G. Stanley Hall]

https://luiz.claudio.nom.br/

Re: [Rails-users] Company panel during OR (was: Rails save files for 1856)

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I really like the idea of hiding the other companies by default, but
providing an easy toggle for people to display them as needed.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:34 AM Luiz Cláudio S. Duarte <
lui...@gm...> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:06:26 +0200
> Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>
> > During Tile and Token Lays and Revenue Calculation only the current
> > operating company is shown to maximize the area to display the map.
> >
> > Only during Train Buying all companies are shown.
> >
> > What do you think? There has to be a solution for those games that
> > feature too many companies.
>
> I can understand the motives, no doubt. But, although all information
> on the company lines below the map are already present in the Game
> Status window, the turn order is not there. Sure, it can be gleaned
> from the Stock Market window, but it is easier to see it below the map.
>
> The ability of turning it on and off would be very good. I don't know
> if this is doable, but it could also be another floating window.
>
> --
> Nanos gigantum humeris insidentes sumus.
>
> Semper imitatum, nunquam idem.
>
> Hoc volo, sic jubeo, sit pro ratione voluntas.
>
> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
>
> "People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because
> they quit playing." [segundo G. Stanley Hall]
>
> https://luiz.claudio.nom.br/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-users mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users
>

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] Company panel during OR

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2015-10-05 11:06, Stefan Frey wrote:
> Luiz:
> first thanks for the save files.
> 
> The bug you reported is actually intended as a feature... ;-)
> 
> During Tile and Token Lays and Revenue Calculation only the current 
> operating company is shown to maximize the area to display the map.
> 
> Only during Train Buying all companies are shown.
> 
> To All:
> 
> What do you think? There has to be a solution for those games that 
> feature too many companies.
> 
> One idea is to allow the user change the mode (single versus all) by 
> double-clicking on the company panel?

If I had my way, companies would be displayed in only one place -- the
Game Status window -- and it would have columns added to be able to show
tile and token lays.  The map window should contain only the map and the
operating-round controls.

If the devs aren't willing to change that, second best would be to make
the dividing bar between the map section and the company section of the
map window moveable by dragging it with the mouse, the way you can do it
in Windows' File Explorer and in Mozilla Thunderbird's main display.
This would be especially helpful when trying to play a game with lots of
companies (like 18EU or 1837) on a small screen.  As it is now, if
playing on a computer with a 1024x768 monitor, you can wind up having to
go most of the way through 18EU (all the way up to the minor company
merger round) before you're allowed to see more than a tiny "letterbox"
slice of the map.  I'm sure it's even worse on mobile devices.

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] Company panel during OR

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I like John's suggestion of having company info in one table - and I would
add to that the ability to sort the table by various metrics, including
operating order.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:11 PM John David Galt <
jd...@di...> wrote:

> On 2015-10-05 11:06, Stefan Frey wrote:
> > Luiz:
> > first thanks for the save files.
> >
> > The bug you reported is actually intended as a feature... ;-)
> >
> > During Tile and Token Lays and Revenue Calculation only the current
> > operating company is shown to maximize the area to display the map.
> >
> > Only during Train Buying all companies are shown.
> >
> > To All:
> >
> > What do you think? There has to be a solution for those games that
> > feature too many companies.
> >
> > One idea is to allow the user change the mode (single versus all) by
> > double-clicking on the company panel?
>
> If I had my way, companies would be displayed in only one place -- the
> Game Status window -- and it would have columns added to be able to show
> tile and token lays.  The map window should contain only the map and the
> operating-round controls.
>
> If the devs aren't willing to change that, second best would be to make
> the dividing bar between the map section and the company section of the
> map window moveable by dragging it with the mouse, the way you can do it
> in Windows' File Explorer and in Mozilla Thunderbird's main display.
> This would be especially helpful when trying to play a game with lots of
> companies (like 18EU or 1837) on a small screen.  As it is now, if
> playing on a computer with a 1024x768 monitor, you can wind up having to
> go most of the way through 18EU (all the way up to the minor company
> merger round) before you're allowed to see more than a tiny "letterbox"
> slice of the map.  I'm sure it's even worse on mobile devices.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-devel mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] Company panel during OR

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Chris and John:
Thanks for your proposals.

Some general comments first:

* Greater improvements to the UI require substantial code-changes and 
will only happen over longer time frames. So there is enough time to 
discuss those. Current changes are small hacks in the current code, so 
some things are easy to introduce, others are close to impossible.

* There is a docking framework that Frederick Weld implemented for the 
operating round. This allows to separate the Map from the OR Panel. You 
can activate it in the configuration window or by simply choosing the 
"ORDocking" configuration profile.

* It seems that there is consensus that most information on companies 
should be moved to the Game Status window. However is there information 
that is can be removed?

* What is the remaining information that should be visible during the 
Operating Round?


 > John David Galt:
>
> If I had my way, companies would be displayed in only one place -- the
> Game Status window -- and it would have columns added to be able to show
> tile and token lays.  The map window should contain only the map and the
> operating-round controls.
>
> If the devs aren't willing to change that, second best would be to make
> the dividing bar between the map section and the company section of the
> map window moveable by dragging it with the mouse, the way you can do it
> in Windows' File Explorer and in Mozilla Thunderbird's main display.
> This would be especially helpful when trying to play a game with lots of
> companies (like 18EU or 1837) on a small screen.  As it is now, if
> playing on a computer with a 1024x768 monitor, you can wind up having to
> go most of the way through 18EU (all the way up to the minor company
> merger round) before you're allowed to see more than a tiny "letterbox"
> slice of the map.  I'm sure it's even worse on mobile devices.
>

- You could potentially use the Docking configuration already to show 
the full map.

- Do you really need the information on tile and token lays part of that 
table? This information is also available in the Game Report window.

 > Chris Schaffer:
 >
> I like John's suggestion of having company info in one table -
 > and I would add to that the ability to sort the table by various 
metrics, including operating order.

- Do you agree that the company info should be in the game status table? 
Or another separate table, however not linked to the map. Again this is 
possible using the Docking configuration.

- What other metric would you like to sort on?

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] Company panel during OR

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Every time I see a table, I like to be able to click the column headers to
sort. Sometimes, it's useful to sort companies by treasury (to see who is
able to buy trains), sometimes alphabetically (if there are a lot of
companies), sometimes floated vs. unfloated, sometimes number of shares in
particular locations (e.g. sort by number of shares in the pool in 1844 or
1817). In 1880, you want to sort by par value (which is also operating
order, but could show you which par values are still available). Some of
the columns may not matter, but if the UI is changed to allow sorting by
column headers, why not enable all of them?

In regard to what information should be available, the answer is of course
"all." However, it would be nice to have a single place to go look at all
the company information. If I'm on a small screen, I can toggle between
viewing the map and viewing the table of companies. If I'm on a large
screen, I can display those windows side by side. Right now, we get some of
the information in a table attached to the map, and some information in
another table in the game status window - and some of it is duplicated in
both places. I'd like to have it all in one place that's easy to access.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:34 AM Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Chris and John:
> Thanks for your proposals.
>
> Some general comments first:
>
> * Greater improvements to the UI require substantial code-changes and
> will only happen over longer time frames. So there is enough time to
> discuss those. Current changes are small hacks in the current code, so
> some things are easy to introduce, others are close to impossible.
>
> * There is a docking framework that Frederick Weld implemented for the
> operating round. This allows to separate the Map from the OR Panel. You
> can activate it in the configuration window or by simply choosing the
> "ORDocking" configuration profile.
>
> * It seems that there is consensus that most information on companies
> should be moved to the Game Status window. However is there information
> that is can be removed?
>
> * What is the remaining information that should be visible during the
> Operating Round?
>
>
>  > John David Galt:
> >
> > If I had my way, companies would be displayed in only one place -- the
> > Game Status window -- and it would have columns added to be able to show
> > tile and token lays.  The map window should contain only the map and the
> > operating-round controls.
> >
> > If the devs aren't willing to change that, second best would be to make
> > the dividing bar between the map section and the company section of the
> > map window moveable by dragging it with the mouse, the way you can do it
> > in Windows' File Explorer and in Mozilla Thunderbird's main display.
> > This would be especially helpful when trying to play a game with lots of
> > companies (like 18EU or 1837) on a small screen.  As it is now, if
> > playing on a computer with a 1024x768 monitor, you can wind up having to
> > go most of the way through 18EU (all the way up to the minor company
> > merger round) before you're allowed to see more than a tiny "letterbox"
> > slice of the map.  I'm sure it's even worse on mobile devices.
> >
>
> - You could potentially use the Docking configuration already to show
> the full map.
>
> - Do you really need the information on tile and token lays part of that
> table? This information is also available in the Game Report window.
>
>  > Chris Schaffer:
>  >
> > I like John's suggestion of having company info in one table -
>  > and I would add to that the ability to sort the table by various
> metrics, including operating order.
>
> - Do you agree that the company info should be in the game status table?
> Or another separate table, however not linked to the map. Again this is
> possible using the Docking configuration.
>
> - What other metric would you like to sort on?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-users mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users
>

Re: [Rails-users] [Rails-devel] Company panel during OR

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

p.s. I had no idea ORDocking was available. It's somewhat obscurely named
and I was surprised to realize I have to choose between PrettyUI and
ORDocking - why can't I have both?

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:13 AM Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>
wrote:

> Every time I see a table, I like to be able to click the column headers to
> sort. Sometimes, it's useful to sort companies by treasury (to see who is
> able to buy trains), sometimes alphabetically (if there are a lot of
> companies), sometimes floated vs. unfloated, sometimes number of shares in
> particular locations (e.g. sort by number of shares in the pool in 1844 or
> 1817). In 1880, you want to sort by par value (which is also operating
> order, but could show you which par values are still available). Some of
> the columns may not matter, but if the UI is changed to allow sorting by
> column headers, why not enable all of them?
>
> In regard to what information should be available, the answer is of course
> "all." However, it would be nice to have a single place to go look at all
> the company information. If I'm on a small screen, I can toggle between
> viewing the map and viewing the table of companies. If I'm on a large
> screen, I can display those windows side by side. Right now, we get some of
> the information in a table attached to the map, and some information in
> another table in the game status window - and some of it is duplicated in
> both places. I'd like to have it all in one place that's easy to access.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:34 AM Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>
>> Chris and John:
>> Thanks for your proposals.
>>
>> Some general comments first:
>>
>> * Greater improvements to the UI require substantial code-changes and
>> will only happen over longer time frames. So there is enough time to
>> discuss those. Current changes are small hacks in the current code, so
>> some things are easy to introduce, others are close to impossible.
>>
>> * There is a docking framework that Frederick Weld implemented for the
>> operating round. This allows to separate the Map from the OR Panel. You
>> can activate it in the configuration window or by simply choosing the
>> "ORDocking" configuration profile.
>>
>> * It seems that there is consensus that most information on companies
>> should be moved to the Game Status window. However is there information
>> that is can be removed?
>>
>> * What is the remaining information that should be visible during the
>> Operating Round?
>>
>>
>>  > John David Galt:
>> >
>> > If I had my way, companies would be displayed in only one place -- the
>> > Game Status window -- and it would have columns added to be able to show
>> > tile and token lays.  The map window should contain only the map and the
>> > operating-round controls.
>> >
>> > If the devs aren't willing to change that, second best would be to make
>> > the dividing bar between the map section and the company section of the
>> > map window moveable by dragging it with the mouse, the way you can do it
>> > in Windows' File Explorer and in Mozilla Thunderbird's main display.
>> > This would be especially helpful when trying to play a game with lots of
>> > companies (like 18EU or 1837) on a small screen.  As it is now, if
>> > playing on a computer with a 1024x768 monitor, you can wind up having to
>> > go most of the way through 18EU (all the way up to the minor company
>> > merger round) before you're allowed to see more than a tiny "letterbox"
>> > slice of the map.  I'm sure it's even worse on mobile devices.
>> >
>>
>> - You could potentially use the Docking configuration already to show
>> the full map.
>>
>> - Do you really need the information on tile and token lays part of that
>> table? This information is also available in the Game Report window.
>>
>>  > Chris Schaffer:
>>  >
>> > I like John's suggestion of having company info in one table -
>>  > and I would add to that the ability to sort the table by various
>> metrics, including operating order.
>>
>> - Do you agree that the company info should be in the game status table?
>> Or another separate table, however not linked to the map. Again this is
>> possible using the Docking configuration.
>>
>> - What other metric would you like to sort on?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rails-users mailing list
>> Rai...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users
>>
>