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[Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[Dr. M. B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hi,

do we have sofar any mechanismn in place to recreate the map based on 
different Phases ?

In particular 1837 has two map changing phases (where as after the first 
purchased 3 train Bosnia-Herzogovina becomes eglible for tile lays and 
after the first 4 train italy isnt available anymore besides Bozen that 
gets an automatic upgrade/replacement).

Most  if not all tile handling mechanics are coming out of the OR UI 
right now, but this i think should be handled by the game engine ?

Whats your opinion and howto proceed ? Is there a provision to have the 
engine//or any non player entity manipulate  the map ?

Regards,
Martin

Re: [Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Martin:

take a look at BirminghamTileModifier in package 
net.sf.rails.game.specific._1851 :

You need to implement the NetworkGraphModifier interface to 
exclude/include hexes from being available. However this will not 
reflected visually on the map, "only" for the calculation of routes and 
hexes that are allowed to lay tiles and tokens on.

Upgrading a tile should be possible at the time of the phase change from 
inside the game engine. However this still requires some UI code. As I 
am currently working on the UI, you could wait a little bit with that, 
if you prefer. Otherwise have a look at the ORUIManager for the current 
implementation.

Stefan


On 08/18/2014 12:16 PM, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> do we have sofar any mechanismn in place to recreate the map based on
> different Phases ?
>
> In particular 1837 has two map changing phases (where as after the first
> purchased 3 train Bosnia-Herzogovina becomes eglible for tile lays and
> after the first 4 train italy isnt available anymore besides Bozen that
> gets an automatic upgrade/replacement).
>
> Most  if not all tile handling mechanics are coming out of the OR UI
> right now, but this i think should be handled by the game engine ?
>
> Whats your opinion and howto proceed ? Is there a provision to have the
> engine//or any non player entity manipulate  the map ?
>
> Regards,
> Martin
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2014-08-18 03:16, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> do we have sofar any mechanismn in place to recreate the map based on 
> different Phases ?
> 
> In particular 1837 has two map changing phases (where as after the first 
> purchased 3 train Bosnia-Herzogovina becomes eglible for tile lays and 
> after the first 4 train italy isnt available anymore besides Bozen that 
> gets an automatic upgrade/replacement).

Here is how I had in mind to implement that:

*  Add to the XML "Hex" object, an option specifying that a particular
tile (by number and direction) be laid there when a specified phase change
occurs.  A positive tile number means it is taken from the unused tile
supply; if negative we don't bother, but just treat it as if preprinted.
In either case any existing tile in the hex (and any tokens if not
accommodated on the new tile) go back to the supply (again, unless the
tile number is negative).

*  Bosnia - all hexes begin with a "preprinted blank gray tile with a
negative number" (use a version with a city for the BH home, so it will
show).  At phase 3 we use the new feature to auto-lay a pale green "tile"
with a negative number on each hex.  It can then be upgraded.

*  Italy - all hexes begin normally, but at phase 4 they all get a blank
gray tile auto-laid on them, wiping everything out.  Even cities are not
preserved.  The green tile for Bozen also gets auto-laid.

Re: [Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I think you'll want to account for hexes being removed too, as in the
Florida Keys in 18FL or that one area in the southwest of the 1841
map.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM, John David Galt
<jd...@di...> wrote:
> On 2014-08-18 03:16, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> do we have sofar any mechanismn in place to recreate the map based on
>> different Phases ?
>>
>> In particular 1837 has two map changing phases (where as after the first
>> purchased 3 train Bosnia-Herzogovina becomes eglible for tile lays and
>> after the first 4 train italy isnt available anymore besides Bozen that
>> gets an automatic upgrade/replacement).
>
> Here is how I had in mind to implement that:
>
> *  Add to the XML "Hex" object, an option specifying that a particular
> tile (by number and direction) be laid there when a specified phase change
> occurs.  A positive tile number means it is taken from the unused tile
> supply; if negative we don't bother, but just treat it as if preprinted.
> In either case any existing tile in the hex (and any tokens if not
> accommodated on the new tile) go back to the supply (again, unless the
> tile number is negative).
>
> *  Bosnia - all hexes begin with a "preprinted blank gray tile with a
> negative number" (use a version with a city for the BH home, so it will
> show).  At phase 3 we use the new feature to auto-lay a pale green "tile"
> with a negative number on each hex.  It can then be upgraded.
>
> *  Italy - all hexes begin normally, but at phase 4 they all get a blank
> gray tile auto-laid on them, wiping everything out.  Even cities are not
> preserved.  The green tile for Bozen also gets auto-laid.
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Ah, and reading John's message, I see that you've already done that,
by laying grey blank hexes. Ignore my peanut gallery.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> I think you'll want to account for hexes being removed too, as in the
> Florida Keys in 18FL or that one area in the southwest of the 1841
> map.
>
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>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM, John David Galt
> <jd...@di...> wrote:
>> On 2014-08-18 03:16, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> do we have sofar any mechanismn in place to recreate the map based on
>>> different Phases ?
>>>
>>> In particular 1837 has two map changing phases (where as after the first
>>> purchased 3 train Bosnia-Herzogovina becomes eglible for tile lays and
>>> after the first 4 train italy isnt available anymore besides Bozen that
>>> gets an automatic upgrade/replacement).
>>
>> Here is how I had in mind to implement that:
>>
>> *  Add to the XML "Hex" object, an option specifying that a particular
>> tile (by number and direction) be laid there when a specified phase change
>> occurs.  A positive tile number means it is taken from the unused tile
>> supply; if negative we don't bother, but just treat it as if preprinted.
>> In either case any existing tile in the hex (and any tokens if not
>> accommodated on the new tile) go back to the supply (again, unless the
>> tile number is negative).
>>
>> *  Bosnia - all hexes begin with a "preprinted blank gray tile with a
>> negative number" (use a version with a city for the BH home, so it will
>> show).  At phase 3 we use the new feature to auto-lay a pale green "tile"
>> with a negative number on each hex.  It can then be upgraded.
>>
>> *  Italy - all hexes begin normally, but at phase 4 they all get a blank
>> gray tile auto-laid on them, wiping everything out.  Even cities are not
>> preserved.  The green tile for Bozen also gets auto-laid.
>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Map Modifcations based on train phases

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2014-08-18 12:58, Chris Shaffer wrote:
> I think you'll want to account for hexes being removed too, as in the
> Florida Keys in 18FL or that one area in the southwest of the 1841
> map.

Why wouldn't auto-laying a blank gray tile accomplish that?