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[Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Something I proposed to add some time ago:

All messages of the activities of the last active player at the time of save
get automatically copied to the system's clipboard.
This should allow to past them into another application easily. 

Could anyone test this with on another system than Linux? 
I hope that it also works with those configuration that caused troubles at 
copying from the report window.

I have added some hint text to the save game dialog to make users aware of 
that fact. A pop-up after the save, seemed a little intrusive. 

Stefan

Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

David sells a 10% share of ATN to Pool for $65.
ATN price goes from $65(C2) to $60(C3).

L&N lays tile #7 at hex B5/S
L&N earns $60
L&N pays out full dividend of $60
Chris receives $6 for 1 10% shares
Phil receives $6 for 1 10% shares
 Si receives $36 for 6 10% shares
David receives $12 for 2 10% shares
L&N price goes from $80(E1) to $90(F1).

ATN (Chris) operates.


^Works on windows^

This is an excellent feature, I think this is one of those things that
will need to be stated in the release notes just so that people are
aware.  I agree a popup on save would get really annoying really
quickly but the text in the save dialogue header isn't that obvious,
people will rarely look up there as a matter of course I feel, I think
just spreading the information around at release time will be
sufficient

I posted the above into a GMail window in Chrome.  I don't know if
this fixes the Firefox bug or not (I don't have FF installed) so it
would be good if someone can double check that

Phil

On 28 October 2010 22:09, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> Something I proposed to add some time ago:
>
> All messages of the activities of the last active player at the time of save
> get automatically copied to the system's clipboard.
> This should allow to past them into another application easily.
>
> Could anyone test this with on another system than Linux?
> I hope that it also works with those configuration that caused troubles at
> copying from the report window.
>
> I have added some hint text to the save game dialog to make users aware of
> that fact. A pop-up after the save, seemed a little intrusive.
>
> Stefan
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Phil:
I agree that the current info text will most likely be ignored.

Possible solutions:

* Maybe it could be configured that it pops up once and then the
user could check the option "do not show this message again". 
However this has to be stored in the configuration file and there 
is no requirement for one yet. In that case selecting the option would require
the storage of a configuration file.

* It could be shown in the comment part of the message pane. But it is only 
shown during the OR. See next mail on adding this to the status window.

* The release note only help for current players, future players will not be 
covered. A wiki/faq page on pbem configuration would be great.

Stefan


On Friday, October 29, 2010 11:28:21 am Phil Davies wrote:
> David sells a 10% share of ATN to Pool for $65.
> ATN price goes from $65(C2) to $60(C3).
> 
> L&N lays tile #7 at hex B5/S
> L&N earns $60
> L&N pays out full dividend of $60
> Chris receives $6 for 1 10% shares
> Phil receives $6 for 1 10% shares
>  Si receives $36 for 6 10% shares
> David receives $12 for 2 10% shares
> L&N price goes from $80(E1) to $90(F1).
> 
> ATN (Chris) operates.
> 
> 
> ^Works on windows^
> 
> This is an excellent feature, I think this is one of those things that
> will need to be stated in the release notes just so that people are
> aware.  I agree a popup on save would get really annoying really
> quickly but the text in the save dialogue header isn't that obvious,
> people will rarely look up there as a matter of course I feel, I think
> just spreading the information around at release time will be
> sufficient
> 
> I posted the above into a GMail window in Chrome.  I don't know if
> this fixes the Firefox bug or not (I don't have FF installed) so it
> would be good if someone can double check that
> 
> Phil
> 
> On 28 October 2010 22:09, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> > Something I proposed to add some time ago:
> > 
> > All messages of the activities of the last active player at the time of
> > save get automatically copied to the system's clipboard.
> > This should allow to past them into another application easily.
> > 
> > Could anyone test this with on another system than Linux?
> > I hope that it also works with those configuration that caused troubles
> > at copying from the report window.
> > 
> > I have added some hint text to the save game dialog to make users aware
> > of that fact. A pop-up after the save, seemed a little intrusive.
> > 
> > Stefan
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North
> > America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers
> > in  U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices,
> > nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java
> > and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails-devel mailing list
> > Rai...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America
> contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in  U.S.
> and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M
> in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish
> to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

Stefan Frey wrote:
> Something I proposed to add some time ago:
> 
> All messages of the activities of the last active player at the time of save
> get automatically copied to the system's clipboard.
> This should allow to past them into another application easily. 

This idea scares me.  Many people do multiple things with their PC during a
game.  The clipboard should only ever be changed by explicit command of the
user.

I suggest instead adding a "Copy" capability (menu selection or button) to
the log window, preferably along with the ability to select part of the
content for copying by clicking-and-dragging.

Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I concur with John.  Please don't do anything to my clipboard without
asking.

--
Chris

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.


On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM, John David Galt <
jd...@di...> wrote:

>
> This idea scares me.  Many people do multiple things with their PC during a
> game.  The clipboard should only ever be changed by explicit command of the
> user.
>
> I suggest instead adding a "Copy" capability (menu selection or button) to
> the log window, preferably along with the ability to select part of the
> content for copying by clicking-and-dragging.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America
> contest
> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in  U.S. and Canada
> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in
> marketing
> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-devel mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>

Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

Given Chris and Johns concerns maybe this should be a configuration option, that way it defaults to off (so people aren't unduly annoyed by it) but those who are happy to have it enabled can do so

I'll work on a configuration wiki page to try and make some of this stuff clearer

Phil

On 31 Oct 2010, at 05:49, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:

> I concur with John.  Please don't do anything to my clipboard without asking.
> 
> --
> Chris
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM, John David Galt <jd...@di...> wrote:
> 
> This idea scares me.  Many people do multiple things with their PC during a
> game.  The clipboard should only ever be changed by explicit command of the
> user.
> 
> I suggest instead adding a "Copy" capability (menu selection or button) to
> the log window, preferably along with the ability to select part of the
> content for copying by clicking-and-dragging.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest
> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in  U.S. and Canada
> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing
> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> _______________________________________________
> Rails-devel mailing list
> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest
> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in  U.S. and Canada
> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing
> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store 
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> _______________________________________________
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> Rai...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel

Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I agree that this option should not scare anyone (I never had this intention): 
I had put down this as a todo after the discussion of the copy&paste problems 
of the game report window with the pbem playing participants of the list.
It seemed that the automation part was highly requested. 

I suggest that there should be an option "copyLastPlayerActionsToClipboard" 
with the three possibilities: ASK, NEVER, ALWAYS with ASK as default.

So after game save a pop-up would ask if last player actions should be copied 
to the clipboard. Players could then either turn it off or enable it in the 
configuration. This also solves the problem that this feature gets lost for 
new players. In the medium run if we define standard profiles for pbem/ftf the 
defaults could be set accordingly.

Stefan


On Sunday, October 31, 2010 07:36:35 pm Phil Davies wrote:
> Given Chris and Johns concerns maybe this should be a configuration option,
> that way it defaults to off (so people aren't unduly annoyed by it) but
> those who are happy to have it enabled can do so
> 
> I'll work on a configuration wiki page to try and make some of this stuff
> clearer
> 
> Phil
> 
> On 31 Oct 2010, at 05:49, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> > I concur with John.  Please don't do anything to my clipboard without
> > asking.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris
> > 
> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM, John David Galt
> > <jd...@di...> wrote:
> > 
> > This idea scares me.  Many people do multiple things with their PC during
> > a game.  The clipboard should only ever be changed by explicit command
> > of the user.
> > 
> > I suggest instead adding a "Copy" capability (menu selection or button)
> > to the log window, preferably along with the ability to select part of
> > the content for copying by clicking-and-dragging.
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North
> > America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers
> > in  U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices,
> > nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java
> > and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails-devel mailing list
> > Rai...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North
> > America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers
> > in  U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices,
> > nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java
> > and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rails-devel mailing list
> > Rai...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel

Re: [Rails-devel] Automatic clipboard copy of last players actions

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I like the automation option and will use it, but can see many situations
(especially people playing at work) where it could be tragic.  The proposed
configuration option sounds like a perfect solution to me.

--
Chris

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.


On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> I agree that this option should not scare anyone (I never had this
> intention):
> I had put down this as a todo after the discussion of the copy&paste
> problems
> of the game report window with the pbem playing participants of the list.
> It seemed that the automation part was highly requested.
>
> I suggest that there should be an option "copyLastPlayerActionsToClipboard"
> with the three possibilities: ASK, NEVER, ALWAYS with ASK as default.
>
> So after game save a pop-up would ask if last player actions should be
> copied
> to the clipboard. Players could then either turn it off or enable it in the
> configuration. This also solves the problem that this feature gets lost for
> new players. In the medium run if we define standard profiles for pbem/ftf
> the
> defaults could be set accordingly.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> On Sunday, October 31, 2010 07:36:35 pm Phil Davies wrote:
> > Given Chris and Johns concerns maybe this should be a configuration
> option,
> > that way it defaults to off (so people aren't unduly annoyed by it) but
> > those who are happy to have it enabled can do so
> >
> > I'll work on a configuration wiki page to try and make some of this stuff
> > clearer
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On 31 Oct 2010, at 05:49, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> > > I concur with John.  Please don't do anything to my clipboard without
> > > asking.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM, John David Galt
> > > <jd...@di...> wrote:
> > >
> > > This idea scares me.  Many people do multiple things with their PC
> during
> > > a game.  The clipboard should only ever be changed by explicit command
> > > of the user.
> > >
> > > I suggest instead adding a "Copy" capability (menu selection or button)
> > > to the log window, preferably along with the ability to select part of
> > > the content for copying by clicking-and-dragging.
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North
> > > America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers
> > > in  U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500
> devices,
> > > nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java
> > > and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rails-devel mailing list
> > > Rai...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North
> > > America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers
> > > in  U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500
> devices,
> > > nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java
> > > and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rails-devel mailing list
> > > Rai...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America
> contest
> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in  U.S. and Canada
> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in
> marketing
> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
> _______________________________________________
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>