Thread: Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history (Page 2)

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All those comments help to get a better understanding, how your pbem gaming 
works: It can be that a direct usage of the dashboard with java dashboard 
classes is more robust..

Is anyone interested into the following?

Every time the active player changes.
A) A save file dialog opens with the usual suggested filename.
B) If the save occurs, the output of the game report of the last active player 
is shown in a text field, which allows editing.
C) After editing and confirmation the content is automatically pasted to the 
clipboard.

Stefan

On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 02:38:36 am Phil Davies wrote:
> Additional when Dropbox goes wonky (as it is occasionally wont to do)
> and you haven't yet got the previous file, you can at least play catch
> up and execute the previous players actions for them.
> 
> For my personal uses, I play over instant messenger most of the time
> and copy/paste works into a google chat window fine on my machine.
> 
> On 1 September 2010 00:50, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> > This is the use case for me too. Every group with which I've played Rails
> > by email includes a copy/paste of the most current action, or the entire
> > current round, in the email so people can follow the action without
> > loading each individual save file.
> > 
> > This is partly an issue because loading save files is a bit clunky, as
> > noted in a previous email where someone pointed out that you have to
> > completely exit the program in order to load a new file.  However, even
> > if it were easy to load files, the textual summaries are a nice way to
> > track on multiple games in email, and are also useful when people are in
> > environments (e.g. work, smartphone) where they can't load the save
> > file.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris
> > 
> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Steve Undy <ste...@gm...>
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> The use model I'm familiar with (there are probably others) involves
> >> using DropBox to share/distribute the save file and sending an email
> >> reminder to the players with an excerpt from the report window that
> >> describes the latest move.  This way, all players can keep track of
> >> what is happening in the game without having to open the save file.
> >> 
> >> Steve Undy
> >> st...@ro...
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> >>> It seems that this can be narrowed down to a problem that occurs in
> >>> combination with Firefox only.
> >>> 
> >>> Interestingly it works on my system perfectly, even copying into the
> >>> web-email
> >>> clients that I use (actually its is more a "do not use", I prefer IMAP
> >>> clients). My firefox version is 3.6.8.
> >>> 
> >>> A quick google search brings up:
> >>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Clipboard_not_working
> >>> 
> >>> Especially have a look at the paragraph about the rich text client.
> >>> 
> >>> Copy&paste is still something which is strongly desktop/OS dependent
> >>> and was
> >>> the main reason to keep the previous ("static") report window.
> >>> 
> >>> If someone comes up with a suggestion how to solve that, I am happy to
> >>> add the
> >>> solution to the code. May I ask what the use case for this procedure
> >>> is? Why
> >>> not mailing the rails game file instead of the report?
> >>> 
> >>> Stefan
> >>> 
> >>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 07:04:36 pm Chris Shaffer wrote:
> >>> > Testing on Mac shows that you can copy/paste into a Firefox edit
> >>> > window.
> >>> > 
> >>> > Despite our desire to avoid Windows, a significant portion of the
> >>> > player
> >>> > base are Windows users.  Many of them are not technically proficient
> >>> > enough
> >>> > to switch, nor should we try to force them to do so.
> >>> > 
> >>> > I will test on Windows and Ubuntu this evening.
> >>> > 
> >>> > --
> >>> > Chris
> >>> > 
> >>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Steve Undy
> >>> > 
> >>> > <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> >>> > > OK, very interesting.  Cut-and-paste works from the report window
> >>> > > into
> >>> > > Notepad, but not directly into a Firefox edit window.  But you can
> >>> > > cut-and-paste from that Notepad window into Firefox.  Another
> >>> > > reason to
> >>> > > avoid Windows.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > (sorry about all the chatter on this)
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Steve Undy
> >>> > > st...@ro...
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Steve Undy
> >>> 
> >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> >>> > >> I agree with Chris: It looks like cut-and-paste doesn't work from
> >>> > >> the
> >>> > >> new report window on Windows (at least not on XP).
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> Steve Undy
> >>> > >> st...@ro...
> >>> > >> 
> >>> > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Chris Shaffer
> >>> 
> >>> <chr...@gm...>wrote:
> >>> > >>> Interestingly, it works on my Mac at work.  I'll do more testing
> >>> > >>> when I
> >>> > >>> get home tonight.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> --
> >>> > >>> Chris
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >>> > >>> 
> >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Steve Undy
> >>> 
> >>> <ste...@gm...>wrote:
> >>> > >>>> Hmmm.  Copying from the report window works OK on my linux
> >>> > >>>> system.
> >>> > >>>> 
> >>> > >>>> 
> >>> > >>>> Steve Undy
> >>> > >>>> st...@ro...
> >>> > >>>> 
> >>> > >>>> 
> >>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Chris Shaffer
> >>> > >>>> <chr...@gm...
> >>> > >>>> 
> >>> > >>>> > wrote:
> >>> > >>>>> I'm using 1.4 now, and I can't seem to copy text from the new
> >>> > >>>>> report
> >>> > >>>>> window to paste it into an email.  I've tried on both Windows
> >>> > >>>>> and Ubuntu Linux, with the configuration "report window
> >>> > >>>>> editable" checked and unchecked on both systems.  Any
> >>> > >>>>> suggestions?
> >>> > >>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>> --
> >>> > >>>>> Chris
> >>> > >>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >>> > >>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stefan Frey
> >>> 
> >>> <ste...@we...>wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>> Chris & Erik:
> >>> > >>>>>> * Fixed the missing newline in copy&paste from the new report
> >>> > >>>>>> window
> >>> > >>>>>> (google is your friend).
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> * There is a new configuration window now, which allows to set
> >>> > >>>>>> options via an
> >>> > >>>>>> UI. I will add some code (similar to the one  font changes)
> >>> > >>>>>> that makes the
> >>> > >>>>>> change immediate and does not require a reload. Supplying both
> >>> > >>>>>> simultaneously
> >>> > >>>>>> would be possible, but might bring more confusion to newbies
> >>> > >>>>>> than
> >>> > >>>>>> benefits to
> >>> > >>>>>> the experts?
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> * I could change the (static/legacy) report window to the new
> >>> > >>>>>> behavior of
> >>> > >>>>>> clearing undone actions instead of appending undoing, but then
> >>> > >>>>>> the
> >>> > >>>>>> difference
> >>> > >>>>>> between the two is merely formatting and the availability of
> >>> > >>>>>> hyperlinks. Then
> >>> > >>>>>> it is easier to deactivate the formatting and hyperlinks than
> >>> > >>>>>> to support two
> >>> > >>>>>> different subclasses of the ReportWindow.
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> There are two reasons to keep the static version:
> >>> > >>>>>> A) For me the static window acts as an accounting trail, thus
> >>> > >>>>>> keeps
> >>> > >>>>>> track of
> >>> > >>>>>> undos explicitly.
> >>> > >>>>>> B) For (quite old) computers (or handhelds if Rails gets
> >>> > >>>>>> portable in
> >>> > >>>>>> the
> >>> > >>>>>> future) the JEditorPane is a drag on performance and the whole
> >>> > >>>>>> content is
> >>> > >>>>>> updated after each action instead of appending as in the
> >>> > >>>>>> static case.
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> Stefan
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:31:15 am Chris Shaffer wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>> > In that case, could there be an option to enable both report
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> windows, so
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > users can switch back and forth between them within a single
> >>> > >>>>>> > game?
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>>  And
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > without requiring them to edit configuration files and
> >>> > >>>>>> > reload? I'd
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> hate to
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > have to choose between one or the other, since they both
> >>> > >>>>>> > have lots
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> of
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > utility.
> >>> > >>>>>> > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > --
> >>> > >>>>>> > Chris
> >>> > >>>>>> > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >>> > >>>>>> > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Erik Vos
> >>> > >>>>>> > <eri...@xs...>
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>> > >  I found that you can do that, but at the rather severe
> >>> > >>>>>> > > penalty
> >>> > >>>>>> > >  of
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> losing
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > all end-of lines. The report becomes one long line.
> >>> > >>>>>> > > Better keep to the (what Stefan in his wisdom disposes as)
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> "legacy"
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > report if you want to save or copy it.
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > Erik.
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >  ------------------------------
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > *From:* Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...]
> >>> > >>>>>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday 11 August 2010 21:17
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > *To:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> >>> > >>>>>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Rails-devel] Report window as game history
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > Is it still possible to copy text from the Report window
> >>> > >>>>>> > > for
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> pasting into
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > an email?
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > --
> >>> > >>>>>> > > Chris
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > Please consider the environment before printing this
> >>> > >>>>>> > > e-mail.
> >>> > >>>>>> > > 
> >>> > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stefan Frey
> >>> > >>>>>> > > <ste...@we...>
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> The linked movesets in the CGR 1856 merger inspired a
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> feature
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> that
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> proved to
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> be surprisingly easy (as it leverages on the excellent
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> move/state mechanisms
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> in Rails). The downside is that it can be effected by the
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> all
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> undo
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> related bugs, but the number of those was on the decrease
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> lately.
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> The report window now acts as game history: There are
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> hyperlinks
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> for
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> each action. Clicking on any of those lets Rails jump to
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> that
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> game
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> situation (by
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> calling undo repeatedly). Return to a later position is
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> possible
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> unless
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> an action is taken (as it is the case for standard redo).
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> I also
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> added
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> two buttons (<< and >>) to allow single-step moves.
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> The old report window (which is editable) can be
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> activated via
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> the
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> Configuration menu (or setting report.window.type to
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> static in
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> the
> >>> > >>>>>> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> legacy configfiles).
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> 
> >>> > >>>>>> > >> Stefan
> >>> > >>>>>> 
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