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From: Dr. M. B. <dr....@t-...> - 2014-09-04 12:06:38
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Hi, the private companies in 1837 have the power to block access to their hexes to anyone but the owner and the companies that the owner is controlling, without the companies having to buy in the privates. Currently the blocking hex state will be lifted when the private company is bought in by a major company. The special ability of the privates in 1837 are twofold, they should lift the blocking (which they currently dont) and they should level the building cost (which they do). So question to the group on how to proceed here ? Are there any other games out there with the behaviour of the privates alike to 1837 ? or are all other privates which do block hexes from the type of the 1830-privates ? I dont really see a way in the moment to temporarly lift the blocking of the hex during a major company action and have it reblock everything again. So building up a new map for the MapHexes that keeps track of the blocker ? And if that is preparing a tile lay ignore the blocked maphex ? What do you guys think or did i miss anything ? Regards, Martin |
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From: John D. G. <jd...@di...> - 2014-09-05 00:55:38
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On 2014-09-04 05:06, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote: > the private companies in 1837 have the power to block access to their > hexes to anyone but the owner and the companies that the owner is > controlling, without the companies having to buy in the privates. This is wrong in two respects. (1) 1837's privates (AKA mountain companies) can never be bought in by other companies [Rule II]. You use their power as in 1835, simply by being the president of both the private and the track-laying company that will benefit (which need not be a major). This may be done in any phase of the game (until the purchase of the first 5-train, which closes all privates) [Rule V.14]. Using a private company's power does not close the private [Rule II.1]. (2) Private companies do indeed initially block tile-laying in their hexes by any company whose president is not the owner of the private. This restriction ends upon the purchase of the first 3-train. After that time, other players' companies may lay tiles in the private company's hex but doing so will cost them 110K [Rule V.14]. |
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From: Chris S. <chr...@gm...> - 2014-09-05 05:39:45
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John, I don't think you said anything that contradicts what Martin said. You're both saying that the private companies do not need to be purchased by the major companies for the special power (hex blocking) to be abrogated. Both of you are saying that owning private + major will allow major to lay track in the blocked hex. -- Chris *Warning! NSA analysts could be reading this email. And because there's hardly any accountability, we have no idea how they may use it. If that bothers you, click here to do something about it. <https://www.aclu.org/secure/stopnsa>* On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:55 PM, John David Galt < jd...@di...> wrote: > On 2014-09-04 05:06, Dr. Martin Brumm wrote: > > the private companies in 1837 have the power to block access to their > > hexes to anyone but the owner and the companies that the owner is > > controlling, without the companies having to buy in the privates. > > This is wrong in two respects. > > (1) 1837's privates (AKA mountain companies) can never be bought in by > other companies [Rule II]. > > You use their power as in 1835, simply by being the president of both the > private and the track-laying company that will benefit (which need not be > a major). This may be done in any phase of the game (until the purchase > of the first 5-train, which closes all privates) [Rule V.14]. Using a > private company's power does not close the private [Rule II.1]. > > (2) Private companies do indeed initially block tile-laying in their hexes > by any company whose president is not the owner of the private. This > restriction ends upon the purchase of the first 3-train. After that time, > other players' companies may lay tiles in the private company's hex but > doing so will cost them 110K [Rule V.14]. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Slashdot TV. > Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. > http://tv.slashdot.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: John D. G. <jd...@di...> - 2014-09-05 05:43:48
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On 2014-09-04 22:39, Chris Shaffer wrote: > John, I don't think you said anything that contradicts what Martin said. You're both saying that the private companies do not need to be purchased by the major companies for the special power (hex blocking) to be abrogated. Both of you are saying that owning private + major will allow major to lay track in the blocked hex. The difference is when the blocked hexes become open to companies of other players. Martin says it happens when the private is bought in. I said no, it happens at the first 3-train purchase -- and the privates can never be bought in, period. |
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From: Chris S. <chr...@gm...> - 2014-09-05 05:51:22
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Ah, I see. You didn't quote that part of his email, which confused me. You are, of course, correct. -- Chris *Warning! NSA analysts could be reading this email. And because there's hardly any accountability, we have no idea how they may use it. If that bothers you, click here to do something about it. <https://www.aclu.org/secure/stopnsa>* On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John David Galt < jd...@di...> wrote: > On 2014-09-04 22:39, Chris Shaffer wrote: > > John, I don't think you said anything that contradicts what Martin said. > You're both saying that the private companies do not need to be purchased > by the major companies for the special power (hex blocking) to be > abrogated. Both of you are saying that owning private + major will allow > major to lay track in the blocked hex. > > The difference is when the blocked hexes become open to companies of other > players. Martin says it happens when the private is bought in. I said no, > it happens at the first 3-train purchase -- and the privates can never be > bought in, period. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Slashdot TV. > Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. > http://tv.slashdot.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Dr. M. B. <dr....@t-...> - 2014-09-05 06:44:43
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Good morning John, i wasnt clear in my statement there, i know the rules of 1837 :9 Currently the code is only handling the unblocking of a hex by having the private bought in, thats what started the discussion about how this should be handled from now on :) Regards, Martin Am 05.09.14 um 07:43 schrieb John David Galt: > On 2014-09-04 22:39, Chris Shaffer wrote: >> John, I don't think you said anything that contradicts what Martin said. You're both saying that the private companies do not need to be purchased by the major companies for the special power (hex blocking) to be abrogated. Both of you are saying that owning private + major will allow major to lay track in the blocked hex. > The difference is when the blocked hexes become open to companies of other > players. Martin says it happens when the private is bought in. I said no, > it happens at the first 3-train purchase -- and the privates can never be > bought in, period. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Slashdot TV. > Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. > http://tv.slashdot.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel |
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