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From: Kevin J. P. <kp...@gm...> - 2012-07-02 17:09:10
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Rails developers, I believe there is a bug in the 1856 configuration for the CGR president's share. It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate counts as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of shares. The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly certain the intent is that each certificate, including the president's certificate, counts as half a cert. Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules otherwise? Assuming you agree that this is a bug, I believe fixing this is a simple as editing line 24 rails/data/1856/CompanyManager.xml, which currently reads: <Certificate type="President" shares="2" certificateCount="1"/> However, I do not know if that would fix an existing game or only a new game. Thanks, Kevin Price -- Kevin J. Price <kp...@gm...> "God is a comic playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh." |
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From: Kevin J. P. <kp...@gm...> - 2012-07-02 18:17:42
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Rails developers, I withdraw my concern. I was directed to a rules clarification here: http://users.stargate.net/~jerkich/1856clar.html. - Kevin On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Kevin J. Price <kp...@gm...> wrote: > Rails developers, > > I believe there is a bug in the 1856 configuration for the CGR president's > share. > > It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate > counts as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of > shares. > > The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly > certain the intent is that each certificate, including the president's > certificate, counts as half a cert. > > Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules > otherwise? > > Assuming you agree that this is a bug, I believe fixing this is a simple > as editing line 24 rails/data/1856/CompanyManager.xml, which currently > reads: > > <Certificate type="President" shares="2" certificateCount="1"/> > > However, I do not know if that would fix an existing game or only a new > game. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Price > > -- > Kevin J. Price <kp...@gm...> > "God is a comic playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh." > -- Kevin J. Price <kp...@gm...> "God is a comic playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh." |
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From: Mike B. <com...@ip...> - 2012-07-02 18:37:53
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Presidency, including that of the CGR, is always a double share. If the second set of shares is issued, each regular cert is 5% and the president's cert is 10%, for a total of 18+1=19 certs. If not, each is 10% and the President's share is 20%, for a total of 8+1=9 certs. Mike Bourke Campaign Mastery http://www.campaignmastery.com <http://www.campaignmastery.com/> Co-author, Assassin's Amulet <http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com/> http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com _____ From: Kevin J. Price [mailto:kp...@gm...] Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 3:09 AM To: rai...@li... Cc: Rich Price; Rick; Paul Subject: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Rails developers, I believe there is a bug in the 1856 configuration for the CGR president's share. It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate counts as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of shares. The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly certain the intent is that each certificate, including the president's certificate, counts as half a cert. Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules otherwise? Assuming you agree that this is a bug, I believe fixing this is a simple as editing line 24 rails/data/1856/CompanyManager.xml, which currently reads: <Certificate type="President" shares="2" certificateCount="1"/> However, I do not know if that would fix an existing game or only a new game. Thanks, Kevin Price -- Kevin J. Price <kp...@gm...> "God is a comic playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh." --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120702-1, 02/07/2012 Tested on: 3/07/2012 4:37:43 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com |
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From: John D. G. <jd...@di...> - 2012-07-03 02:44:25
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Kevin J. Price wrote: >> It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate counts >> as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of shares. >> >> The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly certain the >> intent is that each certificate, including the president's certificate, counts >> as half a cert. >> >> Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules otherwise? On 2012-07-02 11:37, Mike Bourke wrote: > Presidency, including that of the CGR, is always a double share. If the second > set of shares is issued, each regular cert is 5% and the president’s cert is > 10%, for a total of 18+1=19 certs. If not, each is 10% and the President’s > share is 20%, for a total of 8+1=9 certs. True but not on point. Kevin is talking about how each CGR certificate is supposed to be "counted" against each player's certificate limit. I do not agree with Kevin that this is a bug. The single shares of CGR are supposed to count as half certificates, but the president's certificate is two shares (as Mike said) and therefore counts as a whole certificate. I see no bug. |
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From: John D. G. <jd...@di...> - 2012-07-03 02:47:06
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Kevin J. Price wrote: >> It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate counts >> as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of shares. >> >> The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly certain the >> intent is that each certificate, including the president's certificate, counts >> as half a cert. >> >> Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules otherwise? On 2012-07-02 11:37, Mike Bourke wrote: > Presidency, including that of the CGR, is always a double share. If the second > set of shares is issued, each regular cert is 5% and the president’s cert is > 10%, for a total of 18+1=19 certs. If not, each is 10% and the President’s > share is 20%, for a total of 8+1=9 certs. Correction: I hit Send too soon. True but not on point. Kevin is talking about how each CGR certificate is supposed to be "counted" against each player's certificate limit. I do not agree with Kevin that this is a bug. The single shares of CGR are supposed to count as half certificates if they are 5% each, but since the president's certificate is two shares (as Mike said) it counts as one whole certificate whether it is 10% or 20%. I see no bug. |
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2012-07-03 04:58:27
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Agree that this is not a bug, if I am not mistaken this is covered by bullet point three in Steve Thomas list of clarifications compare http://www.18xx.net/1856/1856f.htm Maybe we could link that from the Rails wiki (if it is not already there). Potentially we could add the FAQ pages and clarifications for 1830 and 1835 as well, but this would require to state which variant we follow for those issues which are still ambiguous. Stefan On 07/03/2012 04:46 AM, John David Galt wrote: > Kevin J. Price wrote: >>> It looks like the game is configured so that the President's certificate counts >>> as a single certificate, even if the CGR issues its second set of shares. >>> >>> The rules are admittedly slightly ambiguous on this, but I'm fairly certain the >>> intent is that each certificate, including the president's certificate, counts >>> as half a cert. >>> >>> Do you agree that this is a bug, or are you interpreting the rules otherwise? > > On 2012-07-02 11:37, Mike Bourke wrote: >> Presidency, including that of the CGR, is always a double share. If the second >> set of shares is issued, each regular cert is 5% and the president’s cert is >> 10%, for a total of 18+1=19 certs. If not, each is 10% and the President’s >> share is 20%, for a total of 8+1=9 certs. > > Correction: I hit Send too soon. > > True but not on point. Kevin is talking about how each CGR certificate is > supposed to be "counted" against each player's certificate limit. > > I do not agree with Kevin that this is a bug. The single shares of CGR are > supposed to count as half certificates if they are 5% each, but since the > president's certificate is two shares (as Mike said) it counts as one whole > certificate whether it is 10% or 20%. I see no bug. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Mike B. <com...@ip...> - 2012-07-03 08:00:35
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I would like to see such links and statements of variant provided within the game itself, even if only in a separate document included within the zip. It would not only be a useful resource to players but also would assist in reducing false bug reports (of which I have made my share, lest anyone think I am referring exclusively to the current discussion thread. Mike Bourke Campaign Mastery http://www.campaignmastery.com Co-author, Assassin's Amulet http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...] Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 2:58 PM To: rai...@li... Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Agree that this is not a bug, if I am not mistaken this is covered by bullet point three in Steve Thomas list of clarifications compare http://www.18xx.net/1856/1856f.htm Maybe we could link that from the Rails wiki (if it is not already there). Potentially we could add the FAQ pages and clarifications for 1830 and 1835 as well, but this would require to state which variant we follow for those issues which are still ambiguous. Stefan --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120702-1, 02/07/2012 Tested on: 3/07/2012 6:00:23 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com |
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From: <Dr....@t-...> - 2012-07-03 11:25:20
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Hm, we got a volunteer maybe ? :) points @ Mike Regards, Martin Von: "Mike Bourke" <com...@ip...> An: "'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'" <rai...@li...> Betreff: Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Datum: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:00:22 +0200 I would like to see such links and statements of variant provided within the game itself, even if only in a separate document included within the zip. It would not only be a useful resource to players but also would assist in reducing false bug reports (of which I have made my share, lest anyone think I am referring exclusively to the current discussion thread. Mike Bourke Campaign Mastery http://www.campaignmastery.com [1] Co-author, Assassin's Amulet http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com [2] -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...] Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 2:58 PM To: rai...@li... [3] Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Agree that this is not a bug, if I am not mistaken this is covered by bullet point three in Steve Thomas list of clarifications compare http://www.18xx.net/1856/1856f.htm [4] Maybe we could link that from the Rails wiki (if it is not already there). Potentially we could add the FAQ pages and clarifications for 1830 and 1835 as well, but this would require to state which variant we follow for those issues which are still ambiguous. Stefan --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120702-1, 02/07/2012 Tested on: 3/07/2012 6:00:23 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com [5] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ [6] _______________________________________________ Rails-devel mailing list Rai...@li... [7] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel [8] Links: ------ [1] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYW1wYWlnbm1hc3RlcnkuY29t [2] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5sZWdhY2llc2NhbXBhaWduc2V0dGluZy5jb20%3D [3] javascript:void(0) [4] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cDovL3d3dy4xOHh4Lm5ldC8xODU2LzE4NTZmLmh0bQ%3D%3D [5] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdmFzdC5jb20%3D [6] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hY2NlbGFjb21tLmNvbS9qYXcvc2ZybmwwNDI0MjAxMi8xMTQvNTAxMjIyNjMv [7] javascript:void(0) [8] ?ctl=dereferer&to=aHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5uZXQvbGlzdHMvbGlzdGluZm8vcmFpbHMtZGV2ZWw%3D |
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From: Mike B. <com...@ip...> - 2012-07-03 11:39:37
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Would happily do it but I don't have the time. I'm only sleeping 3-5 hrs a night as it is. Mike Bourke Campaign Mastery http://www.campaignmastery.com <http://www.campaignmastery.com/> Co-author, Assassin's Amulet <http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com/> http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com _____ From: Dr....@t-... [mailto:Dr....@t-...] Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 9:25 PM To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Rules Clarifications, variant links in Rails Hm, we got a volunteer maybe ? :) points @ Mike Regards, Martin Von: "Mike Bourke" <com...@ip...> An: "'Development list for Rails: an 18xx game'" <rai...@li...> Betreff: Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Datum: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:00:22 +0200 I would like to see such links and statements of variant provided within the game itself, even if only in a separate document included within the zip. It would not only be a useful resource to players but also would assist in reducing false bug reports (of which I have made my share, lest anyone think I am referring exclusively to the current discussion thread. Mike Bourke Campaign Mastery http://www.campaignmastery.com Co-author, Assassin's Amulet http://www.legaciescampaignsetting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...] Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 2:58 PM To: rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 1.7.7 1856 bug - CGR president's certificate Agree that this is not a bug, if I am not mistaken this is covered by bullet point three in Steve Thomas list of clarifications compare http://www.18xx.net/1856/1856f.htm Maybe we could link that from the Rails wiki (if it is not already there). Potentially we could add the FAQ pages and clarifications for 1830 and 1835 as well, but this would require to state which variant we follow for those issues which are still ambiguous. Stefan --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120702-1, 02/07/2012 Tested on: 3/07/2012 6:00:23 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Rails-devel mailing list Rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120702-1, 02/07/2012 Tested on: 3/07/2012 9:39:22 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com |
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