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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Håkan K. <sou...@ha...>]

Hi there,

I had a few questions about rails development in general and 1825 in 
particular. Since I'm new here and the only name I recognize among the 
current developers is Chris 'The Cat' Shaffer I'll start with a small 
introduction before I get to my questions.

My name is Håkan König. I like to play 18xx and boardgames in general, 
something which has taken me to BoardgameGeek under the alias of 
hakko504. Right now I'm working as a consultant with android development 
in JAVA in an assignment about to end any day now. Unless we get a new 
customer, I will get laid off before the end of the month at which point 
I will have a lot of free time, and a need to improve my JAVA knowledge. 
As I've used the Rails app for a while to satisfy my appetite for 18xx I 
thought I'd come and see if you needed any development help here while 
at the same time expanding my knowledge in JAVA. I have downloaded the 
current repository from the CVS and started to look at the code and made 
sure it compiles in Eclipse. And then I came up with the idea of adding 
1825 support to the app since it's the 18xx I'm mostly familiar with 
which isn't already supported or in development. I started searching in 
the archives and the only thing I could find was a small references to 
1825, in the thread Stockmarket type where a discussion started about a 
linear stockmarket with multiple jumps. In the future I may also be 
interested in doing 1861 if 1825 turns out to be successful.

So, the question I'm trying to ask is: Do you need any help? I'm 
beginner in JAVA but I have by now close to 10 years of programming 
experience from mostly C & C++, and during the last 6 months I've been 
working with JAVA on android.
An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful 
been done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil 
Davies posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the 
possibility, but no specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure 
how to implement all of them. I forsee problems with supporting 
different combinations of Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available 
tiles, available trains, size of main bank etc.), as well as separate 
banks for players and companies.

Anyway, That's me, and my interest in Rails.
Håkan

BTW, my main sourceforgeid is hakko504 as well, but that is linked to a 
slightly different emailaddress, without the .rails before the @ sign. 
Don't be confused, as long as it says @hakko.eml.cc it's me ;)

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

2010/3/8 Håkan König <sou...@ha...>:
> So, the question I'm trying to ask is: Do you need any help?

Hi there!

Welcome to the project.  We can always use more help. There's plenty
to do, both big projects and small tasks.

For at least your first few change sets, just send patches to the
list. Unified diffs are the preferred format.

This gives us all a chance to comment on your proposed changes, and
helps you learn what things we care about.

If you'd like to see what's on our to-do lists, have a look through
the mailing list archives.

---Brett.

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Jeffrey B. M. <mc...@br...>]

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:36:22AM -0800, brett lentz wrote:
> 2010/3/8 Håkan König <sou...@ha...>:
> > So, the question I'm trying to ask is: Do you need any help?
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> Welcome to the project.  We can always use more help. There's plenty
> to do, both big projects and small tasks.
> 
> For at least your first few change sets, just send patches to the
> list. Unified diffs are the preferred format.
> 
> This gives us all a chance to comment on your proposed changes, and
> helps you learn what things we care about.

The above paragraph is something I think a lot of people trying to get
started on open source projects miss.  It is easy to hide your changes
until they are "ready", but it is really better for you and the project
to get them seen and rejected a few times, so if/when you are done,
it'll actually be something that can be accepted into the trunk.

Jeff

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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
> I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
> more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
> the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
> row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
> stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
> lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!
>
> [EV] If you send me your XML, I can use it as test material to fix the map
> display.
> I think we'll need some extra parameter like firstLetter="R" or such like.
> As for the missing tiles, I can create these. I do have 1825U1, but a list
> of what you found missing would be helpful.
>

Or we can just divorce the text displayed by the map from the internal
grid numbering and just maintain a mapping.

---Brett.

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

A very simple idea:
Just let the map displaying class figuring out what are the min(letter) and 
min(numbers) are, and then start displaying from those rows/columns. 
I would avoid an additional (double) mapping for that reason. 
Stefan

On Wednesday 10 March 2010 00:21:17 brett lentz wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
> > I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
> > more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
> > the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
> > row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
> > stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
> > lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!
> >
> > [EV] If you send me your XML, I can use it as test material to fix the
> > map display.
> > I think we'll need some extra parameter like firstLetter="R" or such
> > like. As for the missing tiles, I can create these. I do have 1825U1, but
> > a list of what you found missing would be helpful.
>
> Or we can just divorce the text displayed by the map from the internal
> grid numbering and just maintain a mapping.
>
> ---Brett.
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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2010-03-09 15:21, brett lentz wrote:
> Or we can just divorce the text displayed by the map from the internal
> grid numbering and just maintain a mapping.

I like this idea because it doesn't require games which use oddball numbering/
lettering on their grids (such as 1853 which has lower case letters on X, upper
case on Y) to change to some other method on the Rails screen.

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

Håkan,

Welcome :)

I'm also fairly inexperienced with Java but I've been playing around
adding in 1825 support to rails in my spare time.  None of the
functionality I've been putting in had been committed to the rails
project on sourceforge, it's all in my local files and really is a bit
of a personal learning project I was hoping one day I might get close
enough to opeational to commit to the main line.

I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!

I can't speak for the administrators of the project but I'm sure any
and all support is fully welcomed!

Phil

2010/3/8 Håkan König <sou...@ha...>:
> Hi there,
>
> I had a few questions about rails development in general and 1825 in
> particular. Since I'm new here and the only name I recognize among the
> current developers is Chris 'The Cat' Shaffer I'll start with a small
> introduction before I get to my questions.
>
> My name is Håkan König. I like to play 18xx and boardgames in general,
> something which has taken me to BoardgameGeek under the alias of hakko504.
> Right now I'm working as a consultant with android development in JAVA in an
> assignment about to end any day now. Unless we get a new customer, I will
> get laid off before the end of the month at which point I will have a lot of
> free time, and a need to improve my JAVA knowledge. As I've used the Rails
> app for a while to satisfy my appetite for 18xx I thought I'd come and see
> if you needed any development help here while at the same time expanding my
> knowledge in JAVA. I have downloaded the current repository from the CVS and
> started to look at the code and made sure it compiles in Eclipse. And then I
> came up with the idea of adding 1825 support to the app since it's the 18xx
> I'm mostly familiar with which isn't already supported or in development. I
> started searching in the archives and the only thing I could find was a
> small references to 1825, in the thread Stockmarket type where a discussion
> started about a linear stockmarket with multiple jumps. In the future I may
> also be interested in doing 1861 if 1825 turns out to be successful.
>
> So, the question I'm trying to ask is: Do you need any help? I'm beginner in
> JAVA but I have by now close to 10 years of programming experience from
> mostly C & C++, and during the last 6 months I've been working with JAVA on
> android.
> An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful been
> done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil Davies
> posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the possibility, but no
> specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure how to implement all of
> them. I forsee problems with supporting different combinations of
> Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available tiles, available trains, size
> of main bank etc.), as well as separate banks for players and companies.
>
> Anyway, That's me, and my interest in Rails.
> Håkan
>
> BTW, my main sourceforgeid is hakko504 as well, but that is linked to a
> slightly different emailaddress, without the .rails before the @ sign. Don't
> be confused, as long as it says @hakko.eml.cc it's me ;)
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!

[EV] If you send me your XML, I can use it as test material to fix the map
display.
I think we'll need some extra parameter like firstLetter="R" or such like.
As for the missing tiles, I can create these. I do have 1825U1, but a list
of what you found missing would be helpful.

[EV] Not sure what your problem with stock rounds is, but for the gradual
availability of companies you could look at 1835 which has the same thing.
There it's hardcoded in class rails.game.specific._1835.StockRound_1835; you
could use that as an example.

> An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful been
> done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil Davies
> posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the possibility, but no
> specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure how to implement all
of
> them. I forsee problems with supporting different combinations of
> Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available tiles, available trains,
size
> of main bank etc.), as well as separate banks for players and companies.

[EV] I'd suggest to start with 1825U1 and get that right first. The other
units and regions can then probably be added fairly easily.
I think you can already get a long way with the existing Option/Variant
features.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

Erik: A patch with bits I've managed so far is attached, the tiles I
couldn't immediately find are marked with a placeholder comment in the
map.xml, in most cases I've just used a circle city tile to represent
them.  I'm sure some of these already exist, I just need to locate
them in the tile DB.  I have 1825 at home but I've been using this
image: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/678058/1825-unit-1 to save
sitting with my box scattered over the table :p.

I'll have a look at the 1835 code and play around with that for stock
market.  I didn't realise that used the gradual availability as well
so that should be a good example.

I agree with Stefan's suggestion in his later mail regarding the map
display.  Units 1,2 and 3 are numbered consistently.  Currently when
rails display U1 it just has nothing in rows A through Q, if it worked
out what the minimum letter and number were and then drew from that
point, that would make U1 work fine straight away.

Also, in terms of adding the other units, a fairly crude way would be
to just surround every map entry with an ifOption tag, and have the 3
Units as discrete options within the game setup window, with a check
to ensure that at least one of them has been selected.  I'm assuming
ifOptions are respected in map.xml...I haven't actually checked.

Phil

On 9 March 2010 23:17, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
> I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
> more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
> the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
> row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
> stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
> lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!
>
> [EV] If you send me your XML, I can use it as test material to fix the map
> display.
> I think we'll need some extra parameter like firstLetter="R" or such like.
> As for the missing tiles, I can create these. I do have 1825U1, but a list
> of what you found missing would be helpful.
>
> [EV] Not sure what your problem with stock rounds is, but for the gradual
> availability of companies you could look at 1835 which has the same thing.
> There it's hardcoded in class rails.game.specific._1835.StockRound_1835; you
> could use that as an example.
>
>> An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful been
>> done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil Davies
>> posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the possibility, but no
>> specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure how to implement all
> of
>> them. I forsee problems with supporting different combinations of
>> Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available tiles, available trains,
> size
>> of main bank etc.), as well as separate banks for players and companies.
>
> [EV] I'd suggest to start with 1825U1 and get that right first. The other
> units and regions can then probably be added fairly easily.
> I think you can already get a long way with the existing Option/Variant
> features.
>
> Erik.
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

I have checked in corrected versions of Phil's initial 1825U1 setup, and
added the missing preprinted tiles.
The map is now complete and displays (about) properly.

Please note, that TileDesigner creates "fixed" map tiles with a grey (or
red) background; not brown. For consistency, I have changed the hex SW of
Bristol accordingly.

Erik.

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From: Phil Davies [mailto:de...@gm...] 
Sent: Wednesday 10 March 2010 11:57
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

Erik: A patch with bits I've managed so far is attached, the tiles I
couldn't immediately find are marked with a placeholder comment in the
map.xml, in most cases I've just used a circle city tile to represent
them.  I'm sure some of these already exist, I just need to locate
them in the tile DB.  I have 1825 at home but I've been using this
image: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/678058/1825-unit-1 to save
sitting with my box scattered over the table :p.

I'll have a look at the 1835 code and play around with that for stock
market.  I didn't realise that used the gradual availability as well
so that should be a good example.

I agree with Stefan's suggestion in his later mail regarding the map
display.  Units 1,2 and 3 are numbered consistently.  Currently when
rails display U1 it just has nothing in rows A through Q, if it worked
out what the minimum letter and number were and then drew from that
point, that would make U1 work fine straight away.

Also, in terms of adding the other units, a fairly crude way would be
to just surround every map entry with an ifOption tag, and have the 3
Units as discrete options within the game setup window, with a check
to ensure that at least one of them has been selected.  I'm assuming
ifOptions are respected in map.xml...I haven't actually checked.

Phil

On 9 March 2010 23:17, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
> I have a very sketchily working version of 1825 Unit 1 but most of the
> more complex pre-printed tiles are not correct since they aren't in
> the tile database, the map has a massive blank spot from row A down to
> row R since Unit 1 starts row numbering later in the alphabet, and the
> stock rounds don't even remotely work correctly...so I haven't made a
> lot of progress but I'm happy to share what little I have done!
>
> [EV] If you send me your XML, I can use it as test material to fix the map
> display.
> I think we'll need some extra parameter like firstLetter="R" or such like.
> As for the missing tiles, I can create these. I do have 1825U1, but a list
> of what you found missing would be helpful.
>
> [EV] Not sure what your problem with stock rounds is, but for the gradual
> availability of companies you could look at 1835 which has the same thing.
> There it's hardcoded in class rails.game.specific._1835.StockRound_1835;
you
> could use that as an example.
>
>> An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful been
>> done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil Davies
>> posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the possibility, but no
>> specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure how to implement all
> of
>> them. I forsee problems with supporting different combinations of
>> Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available tiles, available trains,
> size
>> of main bank etc.), as well as separate banks for players and companies.
>
> [EV] I'd suggest to start with 1825U1 and get that right first. The other
> units and regions can then probably be added fairly easily.
> I think you can already get a long way with the existing Option/Variant
> features.
>
> Erik.
>
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Aliza P. <ali...@gm...>]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
> I have checked in corrected versions of Phil's initial 1825U1 setup, and
> added the missing preprinted tiles.
> The map is now complete and displays (about) properly.
>
> Please note, that TileDesigner creates "fixed" map tiles with a grey (or
> red) background; not brown. For consistency, I have changed the hex SW of
> Bristol accordingly.
>
> Erik.
>

There is at least one game out there (18io) which has fixed map tiles
that are deliberately brown, not gray, so that people can lay "tragic
track" leading into them (or even just have more flexibility upgrading
adjacent city hexes.)

I don't know whether this is enough of a outlier that Rails can afford
to ignore it.

 - Aliza

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

Erik, wow, you are like a machine getting these things fixed, thanks :)

Aliza, it's not going to be a big deal having brown tiles as
preprinted on a board, this is doable now.  Erik just changed my
original tile to grey to match the colours rails uses everywhere else
and I think this makes sense since it is not an upgradeable tile on
the board.

Phil

On 11 March 2010 23:36, Aliza Panitz <ali...@gm...> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Erik Vos <eri...@xs...> wrote:
>> I have checked in corrected versions of Phil's initial 1825U1 setup, and
>> added the missing preprinted tiles.
>> The map is now complete and displays (about) properly.
>>
>> Please note, that TileDesigner creates "fixed" map tiles with a grey (or
>> red) background; not brown. For consistency, I have changed the hex SW of
>> Bristol accordingly.
>>
>> Erik.
>>
>
> There is at least one game out there (18io) which has fixed map tiles
> that are deliberately brown, not gray, so that people can lay "tragic
> track" leading into them (or even just have more flexibility upgrading
> adjacent city hexes.)
>
> I don't know whether this is enough of a outlier that Rails can afford
> to ignore it.
>
>  - Aliza
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

Aliza, it's not going to be a big deal having brown tiles as
preprinted on a board, this is doable now.  Erik just changed my
original tile to grey to match the colours rails uses everywhere else
and I think this makes sense since it is not an upgradeable tile on
the board.

[EV] ... and also to enforce the rule that no loose track may end against a
blind brown hex side.

> There is at least one game out there (18io) which has fixed map tiles
> that are deliberately brown, not gray, so that people can lay "tragic
> track" leading into them (or even just have more flexibility upgrading
> adjacent city hexes.)

[EV] I such a case we can of course define brown tiles. The colour derives
from the tile class, not vice versa.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Stockmarket type aka 1825 dev?

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Hi Håkan,
as someone who started working on Rails pretty recently (after a long time of 
passive observer), I can fully understand your choice to join the Rails 
development. I think one cannot underestimate the work done especially by 
Erik (but also all the others involved9 to get the project to a state where 
it is now: One can play real 18xx with Rails without running into problems 
every minute.

As Erik got me into the loop, I feel myself urged to provide you any 
assistance you need to start contributing: Thus if you have any question with 
respect to the code, you can ask me (in addition to the others) anytime. 

I like 1825 and would love to see Rails support for it. But even if the rules 
of 1825 are not complicated, there is a substantial list of changes you have 
to consider, thus it is not the easiest task to start with. My route to 1889 
was to start with the XML files in data, then create the missing tiles and 
finally add code support for the missing rule details.

Some of the discussion with Erik on specific topics (especially regarding 
implementations details) was done off the devel list: As it took me some time 
to familiarize myself with the structure and design of Rails, I could try to 
summarize some basic ideas. So if you (or others) are interested on a short 
overview of the code structure, I am willing to write something down after 
the release of 1.1.4.

And in any case: good luck on the job market.

Stefan


On Monday 08 March 2010 13:17:07 Håkan König wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I had a few questions about rails development in general and 1825 in
> particular. Since I'm new here and the only name I recognize among the
> current developers is Chris 'The Cat' Shaffer I'll start with a small
> introduction before I get to my questions.
>
> My name is Håkan König. I like to play 18xx and boardgames in general,
> something which has taken me to BoardgameGeek under the alias of
> hakko504. Right now I'm working as a consultant with android development
> in JAVA in an assignment about to end any day now. Unless we get a new
> customer, I will get laid off before the end of the month at which point
> I will have a lot of free time, and a need to improve my JAVA knowledge.
> As I've used the Rails app for a while to satisfy my appetite for 18xx I
> thought I'd come and see if you needed any development help here while
> at the same time expanding my knowledge in JAVA. I have downloaded the
> current repository from the CVS and started to look at the code and made
> sure it compiles in Eclipse. And then I came up with the idea of adding
> 1825 support to the app since it's the 18xx I'm mostly familiar with
> which isn't already supported or in development. I started searching in
> the archives and the only thing I could find was a small references to
> 1825, in the thread Stockmarket type where a discussion started about a
> linear stockmarket with multiple jumps. In the future I may also be
> interested in doing 1861 if 1825 turns out to be successful.
>
> So, the question I'm trying to ask is: Do you need any help? I'm
> beginner in JAVA but I have by now close to 10 years of programming
> experience from mostly C & C++, and during the last 6 months I've been
> working with JAVA on android.
> An of course, is there any interest in 1825, and has anything useful
> been done there? I can't find anything in the CVS main trunk, but Phil
> Davies posted here a while ago that he'd been looking at the
> possibility, but no specifics. I have quite a few ides but I'm not sure
> how to implement all of them. I forsee problems with supporting
> different combinations of Units/regionals/Kits (changing maps, available
> tiles, available trains, size of main bank etc.), as well as separate
> banks for players and companies.
>
> Anyway, That's me, and my interest in Rails.
> Håkan
>
> BTW, my main sourceforgeid is hakko504 as well, but that is linked to a
> slightly different emailaddress, without the .rails before the @ sign.
> Don't be confused, as long as it says @hakko.eml.cc it's me ;)