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Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

It's including the loss from the loans in the stock value calculation.


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Bob Probst <bob...@gm...> wrote:

> We're in the middle of a standard 1856 and noticed some inconsistencies in
> the Player Net Value as well as the Net worth gain/loss.  Clearly the Net
> Value is the main concern since that has a direct bearing on the winner!
>
> As you can see in the Save file and Screen shot:  Steve, for example shows
> a Net Worth of $250.  But with $25 cash and five shares valued at $65, it
> should be $350!
>
> BobP has 3x$65 shares plus $100 private and $84 cash.  Adds up to $379 but
> Rails shows $319
>
> All other players show a similar discrepancy.
>
> Likewise, the Net Worth change is wrong.
>
> Just curious if you can figure out what might be going on.
>
> I am using Rails 1.7.12 as is the player who noticed it.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, John David Galt <
> jd...@di...> wrote:
>
>> Undoing one or more actions during the Start Round does not appear to
>> restore the cash each player had available for bidding at the earlier time
>> (the "Free" number in the Start Round window).
>>
>> Once I make additional bids, "Free" gets set to the correct number for the
>> player making the new bid, so the cash actually is being given back -- it
>> just looks like it isn't because the display doesn't get refreshed.
>> So this is a minor, appearance bug and not a show stopper -- but maybe
>> should get mentioned as a known issue in release notes.
>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[Bob P. <bob...@gm...>]

You mean if we had to cover them out of Pocket?  So -$200 in loans plus
company treasury gives the adjustment to Net Worth?

Or something like that?

That makes sense.  Thanks!


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:

> It's including the loss from the loans in the stock value calculation.
>
>
> --
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>
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Bob Probst <bob...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> We're in the middle of a standard 1856 and noticed some inconsistencies
>> in the Player Net Value as well as the Net worth gain/loss.  Clearly the
>> Net Value is the main concern since that has a direct bearing on the winner!
>>
>> As you can see in the Save file and Screen shot:  Steve, for example
>> shows a Net Worth of $250.  But with $25 cash and five shares valued at
>> $65, it should be $350!
>>
>> BobP has 3x$65 shares plus $100 private and $84 cash.  Adds up to $379
>> but Rails shows $319
>>
>> All other players show a similar discrepancy.
>>
>> Likewise, the Net Worth change is wrong.
>>
>> Just curious if you can figure out what might be going on.
>>
>> I am using Rails 1.7.12 as is the player who noticed it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, John David Galt <
>> jd...@di...> wrote:
>>
>>> Undoing one or more actions during the Start Round does not appear to
>>> restore the cash each player had available for bidding at the earlier
>>> time
>>> (the "Free" number in the Start Round window).
>>>
>>> Once I make additional bids, "Free" gets set to the correct number for
>>> the
>>> player making the new bid, so the cash actually is being given back -- it
>>> just looks like it isn't because the display doesn't get refreshed.
>>> So this is a minor, appearance bug and not a show stopper -- but maybe
>>> should get mentioned as a known issue in release notes.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness.
>>> Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire
>>> the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the
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>>> Rai...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>>>
>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I don't have the rules handy, but if I recall correctly, the stock price is
moved one space left for each loan outstanding at the end of the game.
Rails includes this in the worth calculation throughout the game.


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Bob Probst <bob...@gm...> wrote:

> You mean if we had to cover them out of Pocket?  So -$200 in loans plus
> company treasury gives the adjustment to Net Worth?
>
> Or something like that?
>
> That makes sense.  Thanks!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:
>
>> It's including the loss from the loans in the stock value calculation.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Bob Probst <bob...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> We're in the middle of a standard 1856 and noticed some inconsistencies
>>> in the Player Net Value as well as the Net worth gain/loss.  Clearly the
>>> Net Value is the main concern since that has a direct bearing on the winner!
>>>
>>> As you can see in the Save file and Screen shot:  Steve, for example
>>> shows a Net Worth of $250.  But with $25 cash and five shares valued at
>>> $65, it should be $350!
>>>
>>> BobP has 3x$65 shares plus $100 private and $84 cash.  Adds up to $379
>>> but Rails shows $319
>>>
>>> All other players show a similar discrepancy.
>>>
>>> Likewise, the Net Worth change is wrong.
>>>
>>> Just curious if you can figure out what might be going on.
>>>
>>> I am using Rails 1.7.12 as is the player who noticed it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, John David Galt <
>>> jd...@di...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Undoing one or more actions during the Start Round does not appear to
>>>> restore the cash each player had available for bidding at the earlier
>>>> time
>>>> (the "Free" number in the Start Round window).
>>>>
>>>> Once I make additional bids, "Free" gets set to the correct number for
>>>> the
>>>> player making the new bid, so the cash actually is being given back --
>>>> it
>>>> just looks like it isn't because the display doesn't get refreshed.
>>>> So this is a minor, appearance bug and not a show stopper -- but maybe
>>>> should get mentioned as a known issue in release notes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness.
>>>> Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire
>>>> the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the
>>>> Employer Resources Portal
>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rails-devel mailing list
>>>> Rai...@li...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>>>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2013-04-23 16:30, Chris Shaffer wrote:
> I don't have the rules handy, but if I recall correctly, the stock price is moved one space left for each loan outstanding at the end of the game. Rails includes this in the worth calculation throughout the game.

You must be thinking of some other game.  1856 doesn't have such a
mechanism.  But unless there's a bankruptcy (which is very rare), 1856
won't end with any loans outstanding -- because when the first 6 train
is purchased, every company must either pay off all its loans, or merge
into the CGR.

Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

I just checked the rules on the Mayfair site. They say:

http://mayfairgames.com/mfg-shop3/rules/MFG0472-Rules-V1_0.pdf

"If the game ends before the CGR is formed, all companies with outstanding
government loans have their share values reduced by $10 per outstanding
loan held by that company."


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:46 PM, John David Galt <
jd...@di...> wrote:

> On 2013-04-23 16:30, Chris Shaffer wrote:
> > I don't have the rules handy, but if I recall correctly, the stock price
> is moved one space left for each loan outstanding at the end of the game.
> Rails includes this in the worth calculation throughout the game.
>
> You must be thinking of some other game.  1856 doesn't have such a
> mechanism.  But unless there's a bankruptcy (which is very rare), 1856
> won't end with any loans outstanding -- because when the first 6 train
> is purchased, every company must either pay off all its loans, or merge
> into the CGR.
>
>
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in the Status Window

[Erik V. <eri...@xs...>]

Indeed. Rails intends to calculate player worth at every point in time as if
the game would terminate at that very moment.

Erik.

 

From: Chris Shaffer [mailto:chr...@gm...] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:01 AM
To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] 1856 - Wrong Net Worth calculations showing in
the Status Window

 

I just checked the rules on the Mayfair site. They say:

 

http://mayfairgames.com/mfg-shop3/rules/MFG0472-Rules-V1_0.pdf

 

"If the game ends before the CGR is formed, all companies with outstanding
government loans have their share values reduced by $10 per outstanding loan
held by that company."




 

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:46 PM, John David Galt
<jd...@di...> wrote:

On 2013-04-23 16:30, Chris Shaffer wrote:
> I don't have the rules handy, but if I recall correctly, the stock price
is moved one space left for each loan outstanding at the end of the game.
Rails includes this in the worth calculation throughout the game.

You must be thinking of some other game.  1856 doesn't have such a
mechanism.  But unless there's a bankruptcy (which is very rare), 1856
won't end with any loans outstanding -- because when the first 6 train
is purchased, every company must either pay off all its loans, or merge
into the CGR.



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