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Re: [Rails-devel] Fixes

[John A. T. <ja...@ja...>]

brett lentz wrote:

>On 7/6/06, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
>  
>
>>I have (hopefully) fixed the reported (and some more) bugs
>>regarding share buying/selling and certificate counting.
>>
>>This includes a problem I found, that if 3 players have
>>each 20% of a company, with 40% in the Pool, the
>>presidency could not be sold.
>>
>In this situation, my understanding of the rules is that you can't
>sell the presidency, especially because there's no clear benefactor to
>receive the presidency.
>  
>
I don't have the 1830 rules in front of me, but at least some other 18xx 
games specifically say this is acceptable -- the president is allowed to 
sell one share, trading with the one who will receive the president's 
certificate in order to put one in the pool.  As far as who gets the 
presidency, all games I know of say the next eligible player among those 
tied clockwise from the current president (or in share-round order if it 
allows variable order).

-- 
John A. Tamplin					ja...@ja...
770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
                		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723

Re: [Rails-devel] Fixes

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On 7/6/06, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
> I have (hopefully) fixed the reported (and some more) bugs
> regarding share buying/selling and certificate counting.
>
> This includes a problem I found, that if 3 players have
> each 20% of a company, with 40% in the Pool, the
> presidency could not be sold.
>

In this situation, my understanding of the rules is that you can't
sell the presidency, especially because there's no clear benefactor to
receive the presidency.


> And I have added the certificate count to the Game Status window.
>
> Bug fixed: 1517701, and another one (#2) reported by Akiyoshi.
> New Feature: 1518280.
>
> Brett, how do you see releasing these and other fixes and
> small improvements?
> I would suggest an approx. weekly minor release (1.0.x)
> (if anything has changed, of course).
>


How does a bi-weekly or monthly release sound?  I think that weekly is
probably too often, but waiting for us to hit certain major milestones
is probably not often enough.

This week, we've already fixed several bugs, and added 18Kaas, so I'll
go ahead and do a release on Sunday to get the cycle started.

---Brett

[Rails-devel] Fixes

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

I have (hopefully) fixed the reported (and some more) bugs 
regarding share buying/selling and certificate counting.

This includes a problem I found, that if 3 players have 
each 20% of a company, with 40% in the Pool, the 
presidency could not be sold.

And I have added the certificate count to the Game Status window.

Bug fixed: 1517701, and another one (#2) reported by Akiyoshi.
New Feature: 1518280.	

Brett, how do you see releasing these and other fixes and
small improvements? 
I would suggest an approx. weekly minor release (1.0.x)
(if anything has changed, of course).

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] 18Kaas

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On 7/5/06, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
> While I'm working to fix the worst bugs in 1830,
> I'm hoping to keep the audience happy by publishing
> 18Kaas, a true 1830 clone on a different map.
> It has 4 new tiles (1 preprinted and 3 real ones).
>

Sounds good to me.  I was going to look into some of the UI bugs as
soon as I have some spare time.

> These tiles have no "official" numbers yet, and as
> TileDesigner does not accept the alphanumeric ids
> used at Blackwater Station (Ka1 etc), I have
> assigned temporary numbers above 9000.
> These tiles are 9121 (green B+), 9220 (brown U) and 9997 (brown B+),
> the last 3 digits referring to the most resembling "official" tiles.
> The preprinted tile (NY with different tracks) has got number -22.
>

Works for me.

> Once there is a consensus on what the real numbers should be,
> we can of course adapt to that.
> Or use a tile creation product that can handle alpha ids.
>

If there's a tile creation product that can do that AND output
directly to SVG (or any other vector-based format, really), I would
love to see it.


One thing I neglected to mention that I added to the code immediately
prior to releasing 1.0 was some fallback code that I inserted into
ImageLoader. Basically, if we can't find the SVG files, it falls back
to using the GIFs.  This works around the problem I'm currently
having, which is that outside of the JAR, SVG works just fine, but
inside the JAR the SVG files can't be found for some reason that I
haven't been able to track down yet.

On the whole, I think having this fallback is a necessary evil until
we are able to improve upon the tile drawing.


---Brett.

[Rails-devel] 18Kaas

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

While I'm working to fix the worst bugs in 1830,
I'm hoping to keep the audience happy by publishing
18Kaas, a true 1830 clone on a different map.
It has 4 new tiles (1 preprinted and 3 real ones).

These tiles have no "official" numbers yet, and as
TileDesigner does not accept the alphanumeric ids
used at Blackwater Station (Ka1 etc), I have
assigned temporary numbers above 9000.
These tiles are 9121 (green B+), 9220 (brown U) and 9997 (brown B+),
the last 3 digits referring to the most resembling "official" tiles.
The preprinted tile (NY with different tracks) has got number -22.

Once there is a consensus on what the real numbers should be,
we can of course adapt to that. 
Or use a tile creation product that can handle alpha ids.

Erik Vos

[Rails-devel] Bug and Feature Requests.

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

I've just finished adding all of the bugs reported and feature
requests that came in over the weekend to the trackers on the
Sourceforge site.

I don't mind adding them to the tracker myself if you don't have a
SF.net account. So, please continue to submit anything you find or
would like to see to either the tracker directly, or to this list.


If you're looking for a way to help out but aren't sure where to
begin, pick a bug or a feature request, and use that as a starting
point.



---Brett.

Re: [Rails-devel] Bugs and wishes again

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

> While I play solo game on Rails, several other bugs are found.  
> 
> 1.  I can not sell multiple certificates in one packet.  

You can, but you have to sell them one by one.
All go at the original price.

For the future we can consider asking an extra question
if more than one share can be sold. 
We will have to ask such a question in any case in games where a player 
can have different non-president shares, such as 1835 (5%/10% or 10%/20%).

> 2.  I can not buy more than 60% certificates in orange/brown zone.  
> 3.  I can not buy multiple certificates in brown zone.  

Correct. I think it's too long ago that I tested this!

> 4.  Even if comapny does not have enough money to place tile, 
> it is placed 
>     after caution message.  

I'll check that out.
 
> I think following problems are not bugs, but they are better 
> to be corrected.  
> 
> 5.  "Place Token" button is active, even if all tokens are placed.  
> 6.  "Buy Private" button is active, even if all privates are sold.  
> 7.  "Buy Train" button is active, even if company has maximum 
> number of trains.  
> 8.  In sellection box to buy trains, they are not sorted by 
> IPO, my companies, 
>     and other companies.  
> 9.  In sellection box to buy privates, they are not sorted by 
> my privates and 
>     others.  
> 
> In addition, I wish following informations are showed in 
> Map/Moderator windows.  
> 
> 10. Color(white/yellow/orange/brown) of current market values 
> on Moderator.  
> 11. Number of available tokens on Moderator and Map.  
> 12. Next trains on Map.  
> 13. Ownership of private companies on Map.  
> 14. Special abilities of privated companies.  
> 15. Value of red offboard areas.  

Good suggestions, we'll place them on the wish list.
Thanks a lot.

Erik.

[Rails-devel] Bugs and wishes again

[Akiyoshi N. <aki...@ni...>]

Hello, 

While I play solo game on Rails, several other bugs are found.  

1.  I can not sell multiple certificates in one packet.  
2.  I can not buy more than 60% certificates in orange/brown zone.  
3.  I can not buy multiple certificates in brown zone.  
4.  Even if comapny does not have enough money to place tile, it is placed 
    after caution message.  

I think following problems are not bugs, but they are better to be corrected.  

5.  "Place Token" button is active, even if all tokens are placed.  
6.  "Buy Private" button is active, even if all privates are sold.  
7.  "Buy Train" button is active, even if company has maximum number of trains.  
8.  In sellection box to buy trains, they are not sorted by IPO, my companies, 
    and other companies.  
9.  In sellection box to buy privates, they are not sorted by my privates and 
    others.  

In addition, I wish following informations are showed in Map/Moderator windows.  

10. Color(white/yellow/orange/brown) of current market values on Moderator.  
11. Number of available tokens on Moderator and Map.  
12. Next trains on Map.  
13. Ownership of private companies on Map.  
14. Special abilities of privated companies.  
15. Value of red offboard areas.  


Akiyoshi NOMURA
  mailto:aki...@ni...

Re: [Rails-devel] Wish & bug list

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On 7/2/06, Erik Vos <eri...@hc...> wrote:
>
> Several people have entered wishes and bug reports
> so far, and no doubt more will come.
> I think it's time to think about managing these.
> Sourceforge has "Bugs" and "Feature wishes" areas,
> do you feel like starting to using these to keep track?

Yes, definitely.


---Brett.

[Rails-devel] Fixes

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

I have committed fixes for:

1. In 1870, the non-payout for shares in IPO (reported by Alessandro)
2. The off-by-one numbering of the vertical labels left of the stock chart
(reported by Akiyoshi Nomura).
3. Wrong top-down sequence of tokens on stock chart (reported by Akiyoshi
Nomura).
4. A NullPointer exception while buying the SFSL in 1870 (found by me while
testing #1).

Erik 

[Rails-devel] Wish & bug list

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

Brett,

Several people have entered wishes and bug reports
so far, and no doubt more will come.
I think it's time to think about managing these.
Sourceforge has "Bugs" and "Feature wishes" areas,
do you feel like starting to using these to keep track?

Erik

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

> Congrates on initial release of Rails!  It is great!  

Thanks.

> I wish it will be the best online 18xx tool in near future, 
> which is better 
> than VASSAL/v18xx in every aspect.  
 
That is certainly our goal.
But if the team remains as small as it is now,
that future may turn out a bit less 'near' than we would like,
at least for the 'on-line' aspect.

> Here is some wishes and comments.  
> 
> > 1. Undo - this seems to be the most important and desired feature.
> > 2. 1870 - because it's very close to 1830. Other than the 
> privates and
> > splitting revenue we've already got almost all of the rules
> > differences, so I expect this will be quick to get fully working.
> > 3. Save Games - while this is important, due to the relative ease of
> > playing a full game in a single sitting, I think we can 
> push this off
> > a little bit.
> 
> 4. Secret/Public bank/treasury/player money
> Bank/Treasury/Player money is secret in some 18xx, and is public in 
> others.  I wish secrecy of money is supported as rules say, 
> but it should 
> be selectable before game starts acording to players' preference.  
> 
> 5. Built-in Chat with log
> 
> 6. Online game
> For online synchronized game.  
> 
> 7. Web game
> For online asynchronized game.  Server keeps game data, and players 
> log in asynchronously to play his/her turn.  
> 
> 8. Map scaling

All good points, and most of these are on our wish list
from the start of the project (16 months ago, to give you
an idea about our time scale so far....)

> Apart from wish lists, thers seems to be a bug on stock 
> chart/moderator.  
> Current market value is showed in moderator in "Price(Place)" 
> format.  
> Place is showed in Alpha-Numeric.  Number is greater than it 
> should be 
> by one.  

You're right. Will be fixed.

> On stock chart, new company's CMV marker is placed over existing 
> company's CMV marker.  I guess it is not a bug, but 
> contradicts to what 
> we do in real games.  

I suppose we can reverse the order pretty easily.

Thanks for your comments.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

> Some other notes (all from playing the 1830 game):
> - No scrolling in tile selection area. Upgrading a 9 has many 
> options some 
> of which are not visible at smaller window sizes.   I run at 
> 1024x768 and at 
> full screen all tile options were visible.

Good point, a scroll bar should be added.

> - After an error laying token (no space, insufficient money), 
> "No token" 
> button changes back to "No tile"
> - If a company has placed all its tokens previously, each 
> click on "No tile" 
> button after having played a tile this turn "advances" the operating 
> sequence with a default of no action (No change in revenue, 
> no payout, no 
> train purchase).  This does not appear to happen if the 
> company has tokens 
> remaining.  It also appears that if the last operating 
> company advances 
> through its turn sequence in this way the operating rounds 
> cannot end (Done 
> button clicks but does nothing, as does the Buy Private button)

State management during tile and token laying has turned out
to be a complex matter, no surprise that there are still glitches.

> - "City 1" vs "City 2" when playing token is not clear as to 
> where the token 
> will end up

Token laying is not really well-connected to the tile layout right now.
This will be fixed one day.

> - Extra #2 tile appeared to be available (played it twice).  
> Had already 
> played the other "double-dot" so don't know if I could've 
> play it three 
> times, will check.  The tile on the other "double-dot" (the 
> "bow & arrow') 
> was not available again after being played.

Strange, I will check.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Akiyoshi N. <aki...@ni...>]

Hello, 

> Here is some wishes and comments.  

One more wish.  
9. List of available tiles

Akiyoshi NOMURA
  mailto:aki...@ni...

Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

The technical difference between game selection and price selection
is, that the former uses JComboBox and the latter uses JOptionPane
(as do most other selections during the game).

Perhaps Red Hat has a problem with JOptionPane?

Erik.

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> Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.
> 
> John A. Tamplin wrote:
> 
> >Just tried the latest release -- after the initial auction, 
> trying to 
> >start a new company doesn't allow me to choose any par value besides 
> >$100 -- it just ignores the selection and leaves the default 
> of $100 there.
> >  
> >
> More information -- keyboard selection works fine, but mouse doesn't 
> seem to work on any of the drop-down boxes except the initial 
> game setup 
> ones.
> 
> This is using IBM's JRE 1.4.2 on Athlon64 running RedHat Enterprise 
> Linux WS4u3 (this is one of the two JVMs supplied by RedHat, 
> they don't 
> haven't added Sun's JVM since Sun allowed distributions to 
> redistribute it).
> 
> -- 
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> 770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
>                 		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723
> 
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Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

> > >All those will work.  Do you have time to work on the XML 
> data for those?
> > >
> > >
> > I don't own 1899, 18NL, or 18KAAS, but I can do the others. 
>  Where are
> > special abilities for privates defined?  What is missing 
> for 18AL, which
> > is already there?

It is a bit too optimistic to state that 18AL etc. are almost done.
For 18AL the following is missing:
- Game end at max share price (exists in XML but not coded yet).
- Privates providing special tokens (+10, prestige).
- Privates allowing cheap train buying.
- Historical objectives.
- Limitation to buy only one train per OR.

18Kaas is a true 1830 clone, apart from some new tiles,
so that one would be easy (making the map being most of the work).

If I have time this week, I'll try to make a list of missing features
in those games that I have and that are close to 1830.
 
> There's not really much documentation outside of reading the source. I
> can try to work on improving that a bit.
> 
> I'll need to double check, but I think all the special properties are
> in a single file.

Yes, in CompanyManager.xml. 
But currently only the special abilities that exist in 1830 have been 
programmed and can be used in other games.

I have tried to set up a generic framework for special abilities,
but I'm pretty sure that more work is needed here.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Erik V. <eri...@hc...>]

> I wont have time in the next month or so to spend a 
> lot of time 
> such as finishing up the Java port of the tile rendering code 
> (or then 
> writing the Swing output device for it), but it wouldn't be hard to 
> implement the non-drawing parts of the API based on a static XML file 
> for use in route calculation (or derive it from the information 
> currently in Tiles.xml which appears to have the connectivity 
> requirements, other than track that merges before a city [ie, 
> city to A 
> and city to B share track before it gets to the city and 
> can't be used 
> by two different trains]).

As you may remember, Tiles.xml has been derived from an XML dump
of Marco Rocci's TileDesigner database (with a number of additional 
preprinted tiles added by me). Class util.ConvertTilesXML does 
that conversion (and should be in the jar). 

In Tiles.xml I had already included connectivity data for later
use in route determination etc. (indeed track merging info
is missing. I don't remember what my plan was for that part,
perhaps I would have added it by hand.)

One option may be to keep (perhaps somewhat extend) the Tiles.xml format.
Then our current capability to work with TileDesigner would not disappear.
I have created the special preprinted tiles (negative numbers) in the
TileDesigner 
both for creating new visual tiles and for updating Tiles.xml.

Of course, if you change the format, I can adapt the conversion class
mentioned.

Erik.

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Akiyoshi N. <aki...@ni...>]

Hello, 

Congrates on initial release of Rails!  It is great!  
I wish it will be the best online 18xx tool in near future, which is better 
than VASSAL/v18xx in every aspect.  

Here is some wishes and comments.  

> 1. Undo - this seems to be the most important and desired feature.
> 2. 1870 - because it's very close to 1830. Other than the privates and
> splitting revenue we've already got almost all of the rules
> differences, so I expect this will be quick to get fully working.
> 3. Save Games - while this is important, due to the relative ease of
> playing a full game in a single sitting, I think we can push this off
> a little bit.

4. Secret/Public bank/treasury/player money
Bank/Treasury/Player money is secret in some 18xx, and is public in 
others.  I wish secrecy of money is supported as rules say, but it should 
be selectable before game starts acording to players' preference.  

5. Built-in Chat with log

6. Online game
For online synchronized game.  

7. Web game
For online asynchronized game.  Server keeps game data, and players 
log in asynchronously to play his/her turn.  

8. Map scaling


Apart from wish lists, thers seems to be a bug on stock chart/moderator.  
Current market value is showed in moderator in "Price(Place)" format.  
Place is showed in Alpha-Numeric.  Number is greater than it should be 
by one.  
On stock chart, new company's CMV marker is placed over existing 
company's CMV marker.  I guess it is not a bug, but contradicts to what 
we do in real games.  


Akiyoshi NOMURA
  mailto:aki...@ni...

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[John A. T. <ja...@ja...>]

brett lentz wrote:

>I don't really remember the specifics of the discussion, but at this
>moment I'd be willing to accept as much code as you're willing to
>contribute.  We need both route calculation and to improve the drawing
>code, so if you can do one or both, I'm happy with that.
>  
>
Ok, tomorrow I will write up a TileDatabase interface and see if we can 
get agreement on what the API should look like.  Then I can use that 
interface for the tile drawing code and whoever works on the route 
calculation can use the same one.

-- 
John A. Tamplin					ja...@ja...
770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
                		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3

[Bill S. <bsk...@ho...>]

>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:22:12 -0400
>From: "John A. Tamplin" <ja...@ja...>
>Subject: Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.
>To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
>	<rai...@li...>
>Message-ID: <44A...@ja...>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>John A. Tamplin wrote:
>
> >Just tried the latest release -- after the initial auction, trying to
> >start a new company doesn't allow me to choose any par value besides
> >$100 -- it just ignores the selection and leaves the default of $100 
>there.
> >
> >
>More information -- keyboard selection works fine, but mouse doesn't
>seem to work on any of the drop-down boxes except the initial game setup
>ones.
>
>This is using IBM's JRE 1.4.2 on Athlon64 running RedHat Enterprise
>Linux WS4u3 (this is one of the two JVMs supplied by RedHat, they don't
>haven't added Sun's JVM since Sun allowed distributions to redistribute 
>it).
>
>--
>John A. Tamplin					ja...@ja...
>770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
>                 		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723
>


I don't see this behavior; both mouse and keyboard selection appear to work 
(at least so far as setting initial par price) using Win XP Home SP2, Sun 
J2RE 1.4.2_12 on some kind of Intel P4.

Some other notes (all from playing the 1830 game):
- No scrolling in tile selection area. Upgrading a 9 has many options some 
of which are not visible at smaller window sizes.   I run at 1024x768 and at 
full screen all tile options were visible.
- After an error laying token (no space, insufficient money), "No token" 
button changes back to "No tile"
- If a company has placed all its tokens previously, each click on "No tile" 
button after having played a tile this turn "advances" the operating 
sequence with a default of no action (No change in revenue, no payout, no 
train purchase).  This does not appear to happen if the company has tokens 
remaining.  It also appears that if the last operating company advances 
through its turn sequence in this way the operating rounds cannot end (Done 
button clicks but does nothing, as does the Buy Private button)
- "City 1" vs "City 2" when playing token is not clear as to where the token 
will end up
- Extra #2 tile appeared to be available (played it twice).  Had already 
played the other "double-dot" so don't know if I could've play it three 
times, will check.  The tile on the other "double-dot" (the "bow & arrow') 
was not available again after being played.

Thanks
Bill

Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On 7/1/06, John A. Tamplin <ja...@ja...> wrote:
> Just tried the latest release -- after the initial auction, trying to
> start a new company doesn't allow me to choose any par value besides
> $100 -- it just ignores the selection and leaves the default of $100 there.
>
> --

Funky... I can't duplicate it.  Can you send in a copy of the play
log?  The easiest way is to run the jar from the command-line:

1. Start -> Run -> 'cmd'
2. 'java -jar Rails.jar'
3. produce the error
4. right-click on title bar of command window -> edit -> select
5. as #3, but edit -> copy
6. paste into an e-mail.


---Brett

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[brett l. <wak...@gm...>]

On 7/1/06, John A. Tamplin <ja...@ja...> wrote:
> brett lentz wrote:
>
> >All those will work.  Do you have time to work on the XML data for those?
> >
> >
> I don't own 1899, 18NL, or 18KAAS, but I can do the others.  Where are
> special abilities for privates defined?  What is missing for 18AL, which
> is already there?
>


There's not really much documentation outside of reading the source. I
can try to work on improving that a bit.

I'll need to double check, but I think all the special properties are
in a single file.


> >We were waiting on route calculation for someone (you?) to port their
> >tile data over.
> >
> >
> Perhaps I misunderstood -- when we last discussed that sometime around
> last November, it sounded like you didn't want to use the tile database
> for route determination but only for drawing, with a comment about the
> connectivity bit fields which would be used for route calculation being
> too convoluted for use in Rails.  If I am remembering incorrectly or you
> have changed your mind, there is no reason the API to the tile database
> couldn't be nailed down pretty quickly and the route calculation code
> written based on that.
>

I don't really remember the specifics of the discussion, but at this
moment I'd be willing to accept as much code as you're willing to
contribute.  We need both route calculation and to improve the drawing
code, so if you can do one or both, I'm happy with that.

> I'm sorry I haven't had the time I thought I would, and I am pressed for
> time to get 2 more (possibly 3 or 4) games in production in time for
> Essen.  I wont have time in the next month or so to spend a lot of time
> such as finishing up the Java port of the tile rendering code (or then
> writing the Swing output device for it), but it wouldn't be hard to
> implement the non-drawing parts of the API based on a static XML file
> for use in route calculation (or derive it from the information
> currently in Tiles.xml which appears to have the connectivity
> requirements, other than track that merges before a city [ie, city to A
> and city to B share track before it gets to the city and can't be used
> by two different trains]).
>

No worries.  The summer time has traditionally been our slow time
anyhow. Most of us are out playing in the sun and don't have as much
time to dedicate to sitting inside coding. ;-)

Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.

[John A. T. <ja...@ja...>]

John A. Tamplin wrote:

>Just tried the latest release -- after the initial auction, trying to 
>start a new company doesn't allow me to choose any par value besides 
>$100 -- it just ignores the selection and leaves the default of $100 there.
>  
>
More information -- keyboard selection works fine, but mouse doesn't 
seem to work on any of the drop-down boxes except the initial game setup 
ones.

This is using IBM's JRE 1.4.2 on Athlon64 running RedHat Enterprise 
Linux WS4u3 (this is one of the two JVMs supplied by RedHat, they don't 
haven't added Sun's JVM since Sun allowed distributions to redistribute it).

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Re: [Rails-devel] [18xx] Re: Rails does first public release.

[John A. T. <ja...@ja...>]

Just tried the latest release -- after the initial auction, trying to 
start a new company doesn't allow me to choose any par value besides 
$100 -- it just ignores the selection and leaves the default of $100 there.

-- 
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770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
                		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723

Re: [Rails-devel] Rails-devel Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[John A. T. <ja...@ja...>]

brett lentz wrote:

>All those will work.  Do you have time to work on the XML data for those?
>  
>
I don't own 1899, 18NL, or 18KAAS, but I can do the others.  Where are 
special abilities for privates defined?  What is missing for 18AL, which 
is already there?

>We were waiting on route calculation for someone (you?) to port their
>tile data over.
>  
>
Perhaps I misunderstood -- when we last discussed that sometime around 
last November, it sounded like you didn't want to use the tile database 
for route determination but only for drawing, with a comment about the 
connectivity bit fields which would be used for route calculation being 
too convoluted for use in Rails.  If I am remembering incorrectly or you 
have changed your mind, there is no reason the API to the tile database 
couldn't be nailed down pretty quickly and the route calculation code 
written based on that.

I'm sorry I haven't had the time I thought I would, and I am pressed for 
time to get 2 more (possibly 3 or 4) games in production in time for 
Essen.  I wont have time in the next month or so to spend a lot of time 
such as finishing up the Java port of the tile rendering code (or then 
writing the Swing output device for it), but it wouldn't be hard to 
implement the non-drawing parts of the API based on a static XML file 
for use in route calculation (or derive it from the information 
currently in Tiles.xml which appears to have the connectivity 
requirements, other than track that merges before a city [ie, city to A 
and city to B share track before it gets to the city and can't be used 
by two different trains]).

-- 
John A. Tamplin					ja...@ja...
770/436-5387 HOME				4116 Manson Ave
                		 		Smyrna, GA  30082-3723