Re: [Rails-devel] 1861 development - auctioning of minor companies

[Martin B. <dr....@t-...>]

Hi Chris& Erik,

it will definately need an addition to handle bidding during
StockRounds. Currently all subsequent StockRoundActions are handled by
the GameStatus/StatusWindow, maybe one could add a new Panel ? BidPanel
to link that in there and handle the bidding action on that Panel ?
Just a few early thoughts...
Regards,
Martin
P.s. Erik do you by chance plan to go to Mechelen on the second weekend
in June to attend the 18xx Con there ? :)

Am 02.05.2019 um 21:38 schrieb Chris Moore:
> I think I like the idea of the StockRoundWithAuctions class.  What
> I've got so far is a StartRound that only includes the privates.  Then
> when the StockRound kicks off, if N hasn't been sold yet it is the
> only company available.  So the sale of N actually happens as part of
> the StockRound, not part of the StartRound.  
>
> I haven't looked into it carefully yet, but I'm guessing this is going
> to require a new UI component similar to the StartRound UI parts.
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 5:40 AM Erik Vos <eri...@xs...
> <mailto:eri...@xs...>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Op 30-4-2019 om 22:59 schreef Martin Brumm:
>
>     >>         On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:49 AM Chris Moore
>     >>         <cmo...@gm... <mailto:cmo...@gm...>
>     <mailto:cmo...@gm... <mailto:cmo...@gm...>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>             In 1861 minor companies are auctioned during the stock
>     >>             round.  A player may select a minor company to
>     auction and
>     >>             place an opening bid, and other players may then
>     bid on it.
>     >>
>     >>             As far as I've seen this is unique - I think the other
>     >>             games only do auctions during the start round.
>     >>
>     >>             Is that correct?  Would this be a good candidate
>     for a new
>     >>             game-specific PossibleAction, handled in a
>     game-specific
>     >>             version of StockRound?
>     >>
>     >>             Thanks,
>     >>             Chris
>     >>
>     > Hi
>     > in 18EU this is handled in the Startround_18EU Class.
>     > I think it would be easy to add the special action to a native
>     > StockRound Class specific to a game. Specially the 1822?? Games
>     use the
>     > mechanismn in each StockRound so maybe we could build a new
>     baseclass
>     > StockRoundBidding but again if you do it theres no harm in that
>     either
>     > way to make it gamespecific or a Class just make sure its
>     documented and
>     > reuseable generic, i.e. configurable via the data configuration for
>     > different games :)
>     > Regards,
>     > Martin.
>
>     Although it is many years ago that I actively contributed to Rails, I
>     haven't lost my interest in its fate, and so it happened that I
>     started
>     pondering about this matter.
>
>     Indeed 1861 is the first game implemented in Rails that features
>     stock
>     round auctions, but as many newer games also have this feature, a
>     generic solution would be preferrable.
>
>     Adding Stock round auctions will blur the existing strict separation
>     between StartRound and StockRound classes. In 1861, the same auction
>     style applies to both privates and minors. This will get even
>     worse in a
>     game like 1822, where even private companies are auctioned in
>     stock rounds.
>
>     So the my first question is: should we maintain the distinction
>     between
>     Start and Stock rounds, or work towards an integration of these
>     two? For
>     now, I would think it is better to keep these separate, if only
>     because
>     existing StartRounds have the characteristic that all its items (the
>     StartPacket) must be sold before the "normal" rounds can take off. In
>     1861, this applies to the private companies and the N minor. 1822
>     does
>     not even have a start packet.
>
>     However, as the 1861 auction mechanism is the same for all
>     auctionable
>     items, such an approach would call for abstracting the auction
>     mechanism
>     as such, or its specific 1861 form, from the StartRound into a new
>     Auction class hierarchy. I'm not sure if that is possible, but I
>     think
>     it is an approach worth thinking about.
>
>     For the 1861 StockRound, it may be worth while to create a new
>     StockRoundWithAuctions subclass, that adds generic auction handling,
>     deferring actual auction handling to some Auction subclass. The 1861
>     specifics (such as the initial unavailablity of the green minors)
>     would
>     then go to StockRound_1861, being a subclass of
>     StockRoundWithAuctions.
>
>     Another, perhaps simpler, approach for 1861, at least for now,
>     could be
>     to bypass the StartRound entirely, and add some StartPacket
>     functionality to StockRound_1861 or (as an optional feature) to
>     StartRoundWithAuctions.
>
>     Looking into the Rails 2.0 code, I notice that someone has added an
>     abstract StartRound_AuctionOnly class, as a superclass for
>     StartRound_1862. I'm not sure if I like that approach, but it may be
>     worth investigating in the context of the present discussion.
>
>     Erik
>