[Rails-devel] Brown Stocks / WBC tournament rules (was: Rails 2.0 alpha 6 available)

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Tom:
a simple answer to your question is the following:

No that is not the current rule implementation of Rails for this topic, 
thus the player referring to Rails remembered it wrong. That is true for 
both the current stable releases 1.7.13/1.8.10 and development 2.0.alpha6.

Rails follows your rule interpretation: For a company in brown you can 
either buy all certificates from the Pool or one certificate from the IPO.

For reference (for those who do know this already), this is a known 
ambiguous rules and listed on Steve Thomas 1830 rules clarification (or 
better interpretation) page, see quote below.

However Tom you might be able to answer the question: Is there a 
reference how the various rules interpretations of 1830 are solved at 
the WBC tournament?

It would really help us Rails implementers to know any official ruling. 
In that case e.g. we could provide defaults e.g. based on the WBC 
rulings. Or at least offer an option to select all interpretations 
according to the WBC tournament rules.

Thanks for asking,

Stefan


--- Quoting Steve Thomas page (http://www.18xx.net/1830/1830f.htm)

'Brown' Stock

Rule 10.0 states "Stock valued in the brown zone is exempt from the 
rules limiting stock buying and holding, and may be bought in any 
available quantity during the same turn." This rule must be a contender 
for the worst-written rule of all time. Taken literally, one could 
purchase stock already sold that round, from another game, and without 
paying for it, and not necessarily during one's turn! In practice, two 
styles have emerged. The first is that a player may buy, in a single 
Stock turn, any or all shares in a single 'brown' Corporation as are in 
the Bank Pool; the other is that shares in a single 'brown' Corporation 
may be purchased from either the Bank Pool or the Initial Public 
Offering, or both. The main argument for the former interpretation is 
the form of words "stock valued in the brown zone", but that is far from 
conclusive. The former interpretation is the one used at AvalonCon and 
by the PC; Francis Tresham supports the latter. My group follows Francis 
Tresham on this.

--- End of Quote

this is an interesting discussion, as on BGG there was a discussion 
about the Rails rules enforcement already.



On 08/15/2014 10:33 PM, Tom McCorry wrote:
> Possible 1830 bug:
>
> During the WBC Tournament, one of the players in an 1830 game was trying
> to buy multiple shares of a company in the brown section of the stock
> market from the _IPO_. You may buy multiple shares of a company in the
> brown section from the _bank pool_ but not from the IPO (limit is still
> one share per turn). He cited Rails as the reason he could do it. If
> Rails does allow multiple purchases from the IPO in a single stock turn,
> it needs to be corrected.
>
> Tom McCorry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Frey [mailto:ste...@we...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:18 AM
> To: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game
> Subject: [Rails-devel] Rails 2.0 alpha 6 available
>
> Another alpha release for Rails 2.0. This is the summer edition.
>
> Hopefully it allows testing the full rules enforcing of tile and token
> lays. There are still some missing cases for special cases (with respect
> to special private powers.)
>
> Webstart the alpha release:
>
> http://rails.sf.net/webstart/rails.jnlp
>
> Or download a single jar and start it directly (by double-click or
> command line "java -jar" command).
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/rails/files/Rails/2.0/
>
> Readme.txt:
>
> This release fixes all remaining bugs that caused 18xx test games to fail.
>
> All test games run, except that for 1880.
>
> Also fixes bug that prevent reloading saved game files.
>
> Remark:
>
> Most bugs from previous 2.0 Alpha releases are still open.
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