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Re: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for different 18xx games in Rails
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From: brett l. <bre...@gm...> - 2013-11-14 14:59:07
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Even if games are at slightly different points in their testing, if they're not feature complete, they're not "Fully Playable". So, I don't see a strong need to distinguish 1835 from 1880 by using a fine-grained classification scale. Saying they're both at the "testing" stage conveys enough information to say that we have a high confidence that bugs will be encountered during some/most play sessions. If we start to see a distinction, it's probably because 1835 is almost ready to be marked "Stable" while 1880 has a ways to go still. So, what I'd suggest is to define the criteria we're using to classify these things and be as objective as possible about it. For example: - "In Development" - At least the XML has been written. - "Alpha" - Most major features implemented, needs lots of testing. Unlikely that you'll complete a full game. - "Beta" - All features implemented, but still could have major bugs. Full games are possible at least 50% of the time. - "Stable" - Fully implemented and tested. If any bugs are found, they will be minor. Playing nearly all games to completion can be expected. In this case, 1835 is definitely "Beta", but close to ready to be marked "Stable", while 1880 is more on the line between "Alpha" and "Beta". ---Brett. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > About mature and stable: > Maybe the wording is confusing, however I prefer to distinguish between > those games which have been out in the wild for some times and those > which the developers thought are feature completed. > > Concrete example: > How would you qualify 1835 and 1880 currently (in Rails 1.x)? > > I think it is clear that neither of them is as robust for play as 1830, > 1856 and 18EU. > > Are both still in testing? However 1835 seems much better than 1880. > > Or is 1835 already stable/mature, even it still has some bugs open? > Or is 1880 still under development. > > My idea is doing the same as you and Erik did in the past, put games > soon into higher categories to give incentives to the players. > > So my proposal would be: > Mature: 1830 and derivatives, 1856, 18EU > "Recently released": 1835 > "Released for Testing": 1880 > > Stefan > > > On 11/14/2013 03:01 PM, brett lentz wrote: > > The way I'd used them in the past is this: > > > > - Fully Playable = You can complete a game. It's feature complete. > > - Partially Playable = You can start a game, but probably won't be able > > to finish it. > > - Not Yet Playable = You probably can't even get through the initial > > auction or first turn. > > > > I'm not sure what "In Development" and "Prototype" would signify beyond > > the original couple of labels. > > > > Originally, this setup was to help signify to users which games they > > could play through with the expectation of completing and which games, > > if they played them, they'd be helping to QA more than they'd be playing. > > > > I'm fine with relabeling these however makes sense. The distinction > > between "Mature" and "Stable" seems to be splitting hairs a bit. I'd > > suggest using only one and not both. > > > > ---Brett. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we... > > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote: > > > > Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) > are > > pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing > cycle, > > I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > > name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > > > We have > > "Fully Playable" (see above) > > "Partial Playable" (none) > > "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > > "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > > "In development" (1837). > > > > However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > > > Maybe we should have something like: > > > > * Fully Playable with qualification: > > -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > > -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > > -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be > resolved) > > > > * Partially Playable > > (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect > not > > to finish games) > > > > * In development > > (All xml files ready, started coding) > > > > * Prototype > > (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > > > Thoughts? > > Stefan > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > > From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... <mailto:ste...@we...>> > > To: rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > > > In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > > bidding after a pass: > > > > => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to > "No" > > as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > > > => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of > the > > 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" > too) > > and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > > there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > > should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > > > Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > > created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > > for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to > the > > users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > > for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" > or > > "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > > compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > > > Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players > > in the > > > game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing > > rather > > > than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson > > <jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...> > > > <mailto:jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...>>> > wrote: > > > > > > Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > > > "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another > turn > > > before the auction ends." > > > > > > *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... > > <mailto:jus...@gm...> > > > <mailto:jus...@gm... > > <mailto:jus...@gm...>>> > > > *To:* rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > > <mailto:rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...>> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > > > *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > > > > > Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am > > involved > > > in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > > > players and during the initial private auction encountered a > very > > > minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with > intimate > > > knowledge of the code. > > > > > > There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and > > after > > > the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player > to > > > have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the > > bids and > > > then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted > > as the > > > next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The > > player > > > should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this > case. > > > Easy to work around for now. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & > > Native Apps > > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External > > API Access > > > Free app hosting. 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